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Post by donniebaseball23 on May 24, 2024 11:01:51 GMT -5
Looks like we may have dodged a bullet with Blake Snell. He's been dreadful for SF: 0-3, 11.40, 4 GS, 15.0 IP, 22 H, 19/19 R/ER, 9 BB, 17 K, 2.067 WHIP. Went on the IL, and his first start back last night didn't go any better than before...3.1 IP, 4 H, 4/4 R/ER, 4 BB, 5 K. Yikes. I'd think the Giants might be having some buyer's remorse. [br Definitely dodged a bullet, then again Snell never did have great command. Signing him to a big contract was always a risky proposition, even a short term deal. On top of command issues, he's been pretty inconsistent from year-to-year throughout his career. Obviously, everybody gets sucked in by the 2 Cy Youngs, but when you take those 2 seasons away, he's looked more like a #3 or #4 starter than a $30M/Year top of the rotation guy. 2018/2023: 35-14, 63 GS, 360.2 IP, 227 H, 88/83 R/ER, 163 BB, 455 K, 2.07 ERA, 1.081 WHIP All Others: 36-44, 132 GS, 647 IP, 570 H, 312/289 R/ER, 297 BB, 785 K, 4.02 ERA, 1.340 WHIP Take away his 2 Cy Young seasons, he's averaged 4.9 innings per start across 6+ seasons. Yikes. |
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Post by Max on May 24, 2024 13:32:11 GMT -5
Snell never did have great command.
I didn't want the Yankees to sign Snell after I heard that signing him would cost the Yankees draft picks and international bonus money. The Giants took a chance and gave him a good contract. Their other signing Jung Hoo Lee is on the IL. There was some speculation that the Yankees might sign him if they didn't trade for Soto or sign Bellinger. I know some might disagree, but I didn't want the Yankees to sign Monty either. In my opinion Monty was a #4 pitcher with the Yankees.
So far things have worked out for the Yankees, because if they signed Snell or Monty, there would have been no room for Gil or Schmidt in the Yankees rotation. Not sure if the Yankees would have traded for Soto had they had Snell's or Monty's contract on their payroll.
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Post by nw on May 24, 2024 13:47:51 GMT -5
Yankees owner Hal Steinbrenner warns of lower payrolls after 2024: 'Simply not sustainable for us financially'
It's unclear how Steinbrenner's cheap goals will affect the team's pursuit of a long-term deal with Juan Soto
The big question for the New York Yankees right now is whether they can make good on their current World Series aspirations. The biggest upcoming question is whether they can re-sign star slugger Juan Soto either before or after he reaches free agency this winter. Unfortunately for the Yankees and their partisans, owner Hal Steinbrenner has much to do with how those questions will be answered.
"Unfortunately" is the word choice because Steinbrenner seems all too forgetful of how vast the club's resources are. Via Dan Martin of the New York Post, here's what Steinbrenner said on Wednesday at the owners' meeting:
"I'm gonna be honest, payrolls at the levels we're at right now are simply not sustainable for us financially. It wouldn't be sustainable for the vast majority of ownership [groups], given the luxury tax we have to pay.''
The word sustainable is misapplied here because this is, to repeat, the New York Yankees. The Yankees could run much higher payrolls and comfortably satisfy any notions of sustainability. If there's good news it's that Steinbrenner notes that a good deal of payroll will be coming off the books this coming offseason and that could make a re-signing of Soto fit within his particular notions of sustainability. Beyond Soto, looming free agents include Alex Verdugo, Gleyber Torres, Clay Holmes, Tommy Kahnle and Jonathan Loáisiga.
The Yankees this season have a payroll in excess of $300 million, which indeed puts them deep into luxury-tax territory. However, they'll slough off almost $100 million in salary at season's end. That clears the decks for a Soto re-up, but it should make Yankees fans wonder whether Steinbrenner would be willing to address other roster needs if Soto winds up back in the fold.
Really, payroll hand-wringing is not something the owner of the Yankees should be indulging in because there's no real way to run the Yankees and somehow manage to lose money. It's enough to make one suspect that Steinbrenner's greatest goal perhaps isn't winning the World Series but instead might be something more "balance sheet-oriented" in nature.
This is a really odd time to be making this statement with the club supposedly pursuing a long term deal with Soto. I took a quick peek at 2025 salary and it is 202mm with 9 players signed. This confused me a bit because I thought we had more than 9 players signed for next year but perhaps they are arbitration eligible. Players like Volpe, Schmidt and Cortez to name a few are relatively cheap and will undoubtably get salary increases. Interesting to note we are still paying Hicks. I'm having a hard time understanding how we will be able to sign Soto, reduce payroll and stay competitive. I guess it's possible if we have another influx of young players like Dominguez and find a cheap replacement for Rizzo, move on from Torres and maybe move a veteran but with his comment Hal may be painting himself into a corner and I'm not sure how this impacts the Soto talks. His comments were made at the owner's meetings. What do owners do when they get together? They talk about money. When you look at the potential for next year, you have to consider what's important. We know we have Judge, Cole, Stanton (for what it's worth), and a few others you referenced with the "9 players signed". You can hopefully plug in Dominguez to an OF position. Gleyber's salary will most likely come off the books, as will Rizzo's. If DJL comes back healthy, I don't think the 2025 Yankees will have him penciled in at 3B, but rather 1B. First base is an expensive position to fill competently and unless Rice or Ramirez transition to first base (they both have played about 1/3 of their games in Somerset at 1B, with Ramirez having better stats at 1B defensively), DJL might be the best option there as he enters the "slowing" period of his career. If they choose to go with DJL at 1B, that leaves 2B and 3B as 2025 openings. I like the idea of keeping Berti and despite the fact that he's nearly as old as DJL, he's still arbitration eligible. I think his bat fits better at 2B than 3B, but he's a contact guy who can hit for a decent average (though I'd like to see him walk more). The infield openings are largely going to depend on the performance of Peraza for the rest of this year. If he comes out swinging, he could force his way into the Yankees' 2025 plans. If not, there will likely be one IF position in need of an upgrade (unless as previously stated Ramirez or Rice end up at 1B). At catcher, the Yankees have Wells and Trevino is arbitration eligible. Trevino will get a big raise somewhere but history has shown us his best role is a 50/50 type role. If he finishes the season at a 2.0 WAR and expects to get a raise based on that WAR, it might be time to let him go. Wells' best potential partner behind the dish in the system is Ramirez; Rice makes no sense as they're both left-handed. I think the Yankees need to trade Navarez, even thought it'd be selling low, to give a chance for Ramirez to go to AAA and hit. Barring some calamity, the Yankees won't have to spend extensively in the infield this winter and Gleyber's contract will come off the books. In the outfield, you theoretically have Judge and Dominguez and a lot of money sent toward a Soto signing. But, with Rizzo and Gleyber coming off the books, the money is there to at least entertain the Soto idea. Spencer Jones is having a rough time adjusting to AA pitching, with nearly a 40% K rate, so he's likely not going to be in the 2025 plans. The other place where the Yankees will likely have to shell out some big dollars is the bullpen. The rotation is set with 6 guys either signed already or under team control, even with our high pitching prospects not really exciting us. The Yankees are going to have to pay someone closer's money. Whether it's Holmes or another free agent, we don't have someone in the system to fill that role in 2025. Lasagna could theoretically campaign for a high leverage spot in 2025, but given his injury history and the current major history, he's just not someone you can count on. Even without wading into the free agent pool beyond Soto, we could have a 2025 lineup that looks something like this: 1. Volpe (R) SS 2. Soto (L) RF 3. Judge (R) LF 4. Dominguez (S) CF 5. Stanton (R) DH 6. Cabrera (S) 3B 7. LeMahieu (R) 1B 8. Trevino/Wells (R/L) C 9. Berti (R) 2B Bench 1. Trevino/Wells (R/L) C 2. Peraza (R) 2B, SS, 3B 3. A. Ramirez (R) C, 1B 4. A low cost defensive outfielder, preferably left-handed |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on May 24, 2024 15:43:02 GMT -5
And "Ace" Jordan Montgomery is sporting a 4.98 ERA and striking out a measly 5.2 per 9 innings. I've wondered if the lack of a regular ST has hurt both Monty and Snell. We saw Judge get off to a poor start possibly because of the lack of ST ABs and I would think it might be more impactful for a pitcher, especially if they try to rush things and end up with sore or dead arms. |
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Post by Max on May 24, 2024 16:05:14 GMT -5
I've wondered if the lack of a regular ST has hurt both Monty and Snell. You might be right 55. The season is still early, but when he was with the Yankees I never viewed Monty as an Ace. |
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Post by yankees89 on May 24, 2024 17:50:57 GMT -5
How about those New York Yankees though?
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Post by themartian on May 24, 2024 17:53:30 GMT -5
Weird that they're passing over Marinaccio. Gomez has been a SP exclusively so far in AAA and he's up to take Burdi's slot? Just seems a little off.
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Post by chiyankee on May 24, 2024 18:13:36 GMT -5
How about those New York Yankees though? Yes, back on topic. I hear they're pretty good.  |
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Post by inger on May 24, 2024 18:15:36 GMT -5
How about those New York Yankees though? Yes, back on topic. I hear they're pretty good. Thank you, Chi… |
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Post by chiyankee on May 24, 2024 18:23:52 GMT -5
Weird that they're passing over Marinaccio. Gomez has been a SP exclusively so far in AAA and he's up to take Burdi's slot? Just seems a little off. I agree, Ronnie pitched well the first time he was up here and yet the Yanks have twice now passed him over. |
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Post by inger on May 24, 2024 18:28:37 GMT -5
Weird that they're passing over Marinaccio. Gomez has been a SP exclusively so far in AAA and he's up to take Burdi's slot? Just seems a little off. I agree, Ronnie pitched well the first time he was up here and yet the Yanks have twice now passed him over. Maybe someone is trying to obtain him from the Yanks… |
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Post by rizzuto on May 24, 2024 19:11:34 GMT -5
In the words of Marcus Aurelius, "Soon you will forget all things; and soon all things will forget you." |
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Post by chiyankee on May 25, 2024 10:23:54 GMT -5
I don't know if I can trust Barry, but here it is. I'm surprised Ohtani isn't on this list.
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Post by chiyankee on May 25, 2024 10:44:50 GMT -5
Volpe taking a liking to the leadoff spot.
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Post by inger on May 25, 2024 11:21:49 GMT -5
Volpe taking a liking to the leadoff spot. DJ = 🐢 Volpe= 🦊 with 🐇… it’s easy to choose… |
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