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Post by Max on Jul 30, 2024 18:05:41 GMT -5
My guess is that Flaherty would have cost the Yankees at least 1 of their top 10 prospects.
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Jul 30, 2024 18:05:49 GMT -5
De Los Santos doesn't really seem like a pen improvement, just a different arm that they'd rather take a chance with. Leiter seems like a nice add, but not earth-shattering. Not sure how materially improved they are in the pen. No starting additions to that is what it is. We're not devoid of depth, but recent signs haven't been great here. No one is really looking poised to be a horse in the playoffs, not even Cole who hasn't been himself yet. Lineup wise, Chisholm is an exciting player but this is his 4th big league season. In this one and 3 of the 4, he's been about league average. The one year he was above league average was a small sample 60 game season that he got hurt midway through. So at this point, it's still really only Judge/Soto that you can confidently call "plus hitters". We'll see what happens. They're relying on a lot of guys who have been underperforming to play up to their career norms. I just don't look at the team and feel overly confident in them. As a statistical analyst I always have a problem when they talk about a norm for a player or returning to some norm. That assumes these are static over time and they are not - because MLB like pre-Einsteinian physics ignores time.  As players get older past a certain point their abilities decline. The fact that a player was good in the past does not mean in the future they will return to that. Especially if they have had major injuries. Yeah you definitely have to factor that in. We can't just sign Barry Bonds and think he'll play to his "norm" at this age lol It's foolish if they're counting on Rizzo or DJ returning to "form". I didn't mean that. Moreso guys like Torres (age 27), Verdugo (28), Cortes (29) and a few others who are having down years or bad stretches, but there doesn't seem to be any factor (age or injury related decline) that says they shouldn't be able to play at their career marks. They seem to really be relying on that. |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Jul 30, 2024 18:09:10 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but looking at the 10,000 foot view, I'm betting Detroit wanted Jones and Cash didn't want to part with him for a rental. We could have beat the Dodgers offer without Spencer. Probably, but I guess we will never know who Detroit wanted. Chisholm looks like he may have been a nice pickup, Leiter could be a sneaky good addition, but bigly underwhelmed otherwise. Failing to upgrade the rotation is an L and failing to get a real closer is a double L in my book. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2024 18:30:52 GMT -5
I think so. Cashman traded Sweeny to LA for Vivas, who they won't play in the major leagues and Ferguson who they just traded. We should have got Flaherty. I don't know why Cashman didn't. OK, I was wrong. It was Vivas and Gonzalez, not Ferguson. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2024 21:38:33 GMT -5
Wow, I wonder who the Yankees would have sent to Detroit?
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Post by kaybli on Jul 30, 2024 21:43:20 GMT -5
Wow, I wonder who the Yankees would have sent to Detroit? Well I'm glad we didn't trade for damaged goods. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2024 21:49:29 GMT -5
Wow, I wonder who the Yankees would have sent to Detroit? Well I'm glad we didn't trade for damaged goods. Where was this due diligence when Cashman made the Montas trade? |
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Post by bumper on Jul 30, 2024 22:51:34 GMT -5
Well I'm glad we didn't trade for damaged goods. Where was this due diligence when Cashman made the Montas trade? that's probably why. they didn't wanna get burned again. on the other hand, while he did miss 2 starts at the beginning of july, in his last 3 starts he has a 1.53 ERA. so maybe they're using the medical report as an excuse.
in any case not a particularly inspiring TDL. so far jazz has definitely been worth the price of admission. and think leiter will add some stability. de los santos seems like the same old. overall a net gain. so these are our horses and right now maybe the fever has broken and we're on the road to recovery.
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Post by inger on Jul 30, 2024 23:57:38 GMT -5
The Rays are playing the Marlins right now. They might have to combine the two squads to get a full team after all these trades.  Play like we often did. There will be no right fielder. There fore, any ball hit to the right of 2B onto the outfield will be an out… unless of course young inger is playing outfield. He can cover center and right field.., 🤓 |
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Jul 31, 2024 8:24:02 GMT -5
^ From espn
Not sure about a "B" grade. Jazz absolutely is appearing to be an impact addition, and Leiter will probably boost the bullpen, but to me adding nothing to the 2 biggest areas of need (SP, Closer) is a big L. Starting pitching remains a big issue unless some of these guys can return to their early season form and Holmes is a major liability in one of the most important jobs in baseball. There is no lead safe with him.
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 31, 2024 8:34:14 GMT -5
^ From espn Not sure about a "B" grade. Jazz absolutely is appearing to be an impact addition, and Leiter will probably boost the bullpen, but to me adding nothing to the 2 biggest areas of need (SP, Closer) is a big L. Starting pitching remains a big issue unless some of these guys can return to their early season form and Holmes is a major liability in one of the most important jobs in baseball. There is no lead safe with him. I know I'm in the minority but I thought Holmes threw the ball as well as any of the other relievers last night. He's a ground ball specialist and he came in and gave up a bunch of weakly hit groundballs, like he usually does. Holmes is at his worst when he's walking guys and he throws the ball all over the place, like he did in Baltimore. Ironically, the hardest hit ball he gave up was to Harper, which the Yankees made and amazing play on to end the inning. |
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Post by inger on Jul 31, 2024 9:23:18 GMT -5
Wow, I wonder who the Yankees would have sent to Detroit? Well I'm glad we didn't trade for damaged goods. Flaherty has had a strange up and down career. He scared me… |
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Post by fwclipper51 on Jul 31, 2024 11:07:29 GMT -5
From MLB Rumors
Yankees Reportedly “Backed Out” Of Jack Flaherty Trade Following Medical Review
By Nick Deeds | July 30, 2024 at 11:59pm CDT
The Yankees and Tigers had a “preliminary” trade agreement in place that would’ve sent right-hander Jack Flaherty to New York prior to the trade deadline earlier today, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, but the Yankees ultimately pulled the plug on the deal after reviewing the right-hander’s medical records. It’s not clear what the Yankees would’ve traded to Detroit to acquire Flaherty had the deal gone through. The righty, of course, ended up traded to the Dodgers just before the deadline.
Flaherty, 28, was long expected to be one of the most coveted starters on the market this summer after a sensational start to the season with Detroit where he delivered a 2.95 ERA and 3.11 FIP through 18 starts. He hasn’t been fully healthy this year, however, as he skipped a start due to back discomfort early this month. He’s looked good with a 1.53 ERA and 18 strikeouts in 3 starts since then, but evidently the Yankees nonetheless had concerns after reviewing his medicals. The club was rumored to be in “extensive trade talks” with the Tigers after Detroit scratched the righty from his scheduled start yesterday, but ultimately no deal came together.
It’s not necessarily a surprise that New York would be somewhat gunshy about the possibility of trading for an injured pitchers. As Rosenthal notes, the club traded for right-hander Frankie Montas in a deal with the A’s at the 2022 trade deadline despite lingering concerns about his shoulder, and Montas ended up struggling in a brief stint with the club before undergoing surgery. Given the fact that the Yankees reportedly planned to shop southpaw Nestor Cortes before the deadline in the event that they landed Flaherty, it would’ve been a substantial risk for the club to deal away an established arm to make room for a pitcher who they had some level of injury concern about. The Yankees instead focused their attention on the bullpen today, shipping out lefty Caleb Ferguson, while adding righties Mark Leiter Jr. and Enyel De Los Santos.
By contrast, the Dodgers have a deep staff of internal rotation options led by Tyler Glasnow and Clayton Kershaw with even more arms like Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Walker Buehler expected back from the IL later this year. Given the club’s deep group of starters, it’s understandable why they’d be willing to stomach injury risk in acquiring a rental arm like Flaherty. The addition of Flaherty was paired with the addition of CF Kevin Kiermaier in a deal with the Blue Jays today to bolster the club’s depth after the Dodgers added Tommy Edman and Michael Kopech in a 3-team trade yesterday, as well as INF Amed Rosario in a separate deal.
According to Rosenthal, word spread around the league that the Yankees had concerns regarding Flaherty’s medicals in the run-up to the deadline, although the only other team to actually see those medicals for themselves was the Dodgers. It’s unclear to what extent other offers for Flaherty’s services were impacted by concerns coming out of the Bronx about his medicals, though it’s worth noting that Jon Heyman of the New York Post highlighted the Red Sox alongside the Dodgers and Yankees as among the teams known to have interest in Flaherty. Boston’s only established starting pitching acquisition ended up being DFA’d veteran James Paxton as they instead opted to shore up their bullpen with Lucas Sims and Luis Garcia alongside the addition of a young, unproven potential starter in Quinn Priester.
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Post by fwclipper51 on Jul 31, 2024 11:29:16 GMT -5
From MLB Rumors
Yankees To Acquire Enyel De Los Santos
By Tim Dierkes | July 30, 2024 at 5:43pm CDT
The Padres tradedReliever Enyel De Los Santos and minor league pitcher Thomas Balboni Jr. to the Yankees for Outfielder Brandon Lockridge, according to team announcements. The Athletic’s Chris Kirschner was first with the deal.
De Los Santos, 28, has a 4.46 ERA, 28.2 K%, 7.6 BB%, and 34.6% groundball rate in 40 1/3 innings for the Padres this year. He’s been stung by the longball, allowing 11 bombs on the season. Padres Manager Mike Shildt has lost trust in De Los Santos in recent weeks, perhaps due to a 7.62 ERA over his last 14 games.
Signed for $15K by the Mariners out of the Dominican Republic a decade ago, De Los Santos was traded to the Padres in December 2015 in a deal for Joaquin Benoit. He was dealt to the Phillies a couple years later for Freddy Galvis, making his Major League debut with that team. De Los Santos went on to log big league innings with the Pirates and Guardians, with the Padres picking him up in last November’s Scott Barlow deal.
De Los Santos is earning $1.16MM this year, and was expendable for the Padres particularly after they added Jason Adam and Tanner Scott in trades. De Los Santos is under team control through 2026 as an arbitration eligible player. The Yankees supplemented their bullpen earlier today by acquiring Mark Leiter Jr. from the Cubs. The Yankees also add Balboni, a 24-year-old A ball reliever. Balboni, drafted by the Padres in the 15th round in 2022, owns a 38.2 K% and 12.7 BB% on the season. Outfielder Brandon Lockridge, 27, was a 5th round pick by the Yankees in 2018. He’s mostly played CF this year at Triple-A Scranton, riding a strong walk rate to a 114 wRC+. Known for his speed, Lockridge also has 34 stolen bases on the season.
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Post by kaybli on Jul 31, 2024 16:09:26 GMT -5
Well I'm glad we didn't trade for damaged goods. Flaherty has had a strange up and down career. He scared me… The thing is he only has to remain healthy for the rest of the season as he's a free agent afterwards. And he's pitched good recently. I hope this isn't the front office making excuses and his health report really was concerning for this season. |
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As players get older past a certain point their abilities decline. The fact that a player was good in the past does not mean in the future they will return to that. Especially if they have had major injuries. 
