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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2024 19:38:22 GMT -5
Pinstripe Alley Top 100 Yankees: #25 Robinson Canó
Robbie electrified the Bronx faithful with his sweet swing and smooth glovework at the keystone.
I loved Cano. That is until I didn’t. What a disappointment he became… 💉… |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 15, 2024 19:42:44 GMT -5
Pinstripe Alley Top 100 Yankees: #25 Robinson Canó
Robbie electrified the Bronx faithful with his sweet swing and smooth glovework at the keystone.
I loved Cano. That is until I didn’t. What a disappointment he became… 💉… Spring training, his 1st year with Mariners...  |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 15, 2024 19:45:33 GMT -5
Pinstripe Alley Top 100 Yankees: #25 Robinson Canó
Robbie electrified the Bronx faithful with his sweet swing and smooth glovework at the keystone.
I loved Cano. That is until I didn’t. What a disappointment he became… 💉… I loved his bat but i couldnt stand all the brain farts he had in the field . I wasnt very sorry to see him go . He proved he wasnt worth the 10 years he wanted |
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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2024 19:53:19 GMT -5
I loved Cano. That is until I didn’t. What a disappointment he became… 💉… I loved his bat but i couldnt stand all the brain farts he had in the field . I wasnt very sorry to see him go . He proved he wasnt worth the 10 years he wanted That’s true. No 10 years for what he lacked. Sort of where I stand with Gleyber now… Fielding is an under rated part of the game. I saw someone here posted that it was over rated the other day and didn’t reply. But I do disagree with that assessment. I want every man out there to be above average to excellent with a glove, and to be at least average or above with the bat and his legs. It’s almost impossible to put a roster together like that, but I’d still like to see it… |
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Post by rizzuto on Jan 15, 2024 19:57:28 GMT -5
I loved his bat but i couldnt stand all the brain farts he had in the field . I wasnt very sorry to see him go . He proved he wasnt worth the 10 years he wanted That’s true. No 10 years for what he lacked. Sort of where I stand with Gleyber now… Fielding is an under rated part of the game. I saw someone here posted that it was over rated the other day and didn’t reply. But I do disagree with that assessment. I want every man out there to be above average to excellent with a glove, and to be at least average or above with the bat and his legs. It’s almost impossible to put a roster together like that, but I’d still like to see it… Ruthie: "Leon, is that blood on the wall?"  |
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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2024 20:03:24 GMT -5
That’s true. No 10 years for what he lacked. Sort of where I stand with Gleyber now… Fielding is an under rated part of the game. I saw someone here posted that it was over rated the other day and didn’t reply. But I do disagree with that assessment. I want every man out there to be above average to excellent with a glove, and to be at least average or above with the bat and his legs. It’s almost impossible to put a roster together like that, but I’d still like to see it… Ruthie: "Leon, is that blood on the wall?" Funny you’d say that. I awoke with a bloody nose from sinus issues this morn. Didn’t know it was bleeding and my bed and face looked like I was murdered… I had slipped a long sleeve tee on in the middle of the night and bloodied it as well. I’m still wearing it. The dogs have been trying lick it all day. 😂 I had blood running through my mustache and down to my throat. I’m about to take a shower in a few… |
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Post by posadafan24 on Jan 15, 2024 20:04:01 GMT -5
I loved his bat but i couldnt stand all the brain farts he had in the field . I wasnt very sorry to see him go . He proved he wasnt worth the 10 years he wanted That’s true. No 10 years for what he lacked. Sort of where I stand with Gleyber now… Fielding is an under rated part of the game. I saw someone here posted that it was over rated the other day and didn’t reply. But I do disagree with that assessment. I want every man out there to be above average to excellent with a glove, and to be at least average or above with the bat and his legs. It’s almost impossible to put a roster together like that, but I’d still like to see it… I agree . I think the a players glove and baseball intelligence is just as important as their bat if not more so . I mean if the guy can produce runs , if his glove is below average then he is giving up runs too . Thats also why i would have traded torres years ago . |
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Post by kaybli on Jan 15, 2024 20:04:26 GMT -5
Ruthie: "Leon, is that blood on the wall?" Funny you’d say that. I awoke with a bloody nose from sinus issues this morn. Didn’t know it was bleeding and my bed and face looked like I was murdered… I had slipped a long sleeve tee on in the middle of the night and bloodied it as well. I’m still wearing it. The dogs have been trying lick it all day. 😂 I had blood running through my mustache and down to my throat. I’m about to take a shower in a few… Ouch! Feel better inger. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jan 15, 2024 20:06:21 GMT -5
Ruthie: "Leon, is that blood on the wall?" Funny you’d say that. I awoke with a bloody nose from sinus issues this morn. Didn’t know it was bleeding and my bed and face looked like I was murdered… I had slipped a long sleeve tee on in the middle of the night and bloodied it as well. I’m still wearing it. The dogs have been trying lick it all day. 😂 I had blood running through my mustache and down to my throat. I’m about to take a shower in a few… Cold dry weather + 7000' elevation? |
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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2024 20:08:38 GMT -5
Funny you’d say that. I awoke with a bloody nose from sinus issues this morn. Didn’t know it was bleeding and my bed and face looked like I was murdered… I had slipped a long sleeve tee on in the middle of the night and bloodied it as well. I’m still wearing it. The dogs have been trying lick it all day. 😂 I had blood running through my mustache and down to my throat. I’m about to take a shower in a few… Ouch! Feel better inger. I’m fine. Just one of those things. I had awoken and was on my back. Suddenly felt my right nostril overflowing. I knew it had to be blood, turned partly on my side to grab something to catch the blood with my hand over my nose and the blood was much more than I thought, overflowing my hand. I had it stopped twenty minutes later, but it was a fast moving bleeder for a bit. A few years ago I had one that I had to go to the ER and have it cauterized. It happens… |
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Post by chiyankee on Jan 15, 2024 20:32:07 GMT -5
Is it just me or does 25 seem way too high for Cano? I'd have some of those Yankee greats from the past that you already posted ahead of Robby. |
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Post by fwclipper51 on Jan 15, 2024 20:58:07 GMT -5
grandfork's comment:
Pipps was praising Chi the other day for being concise. I need to learn how to get on that train. My latest Pinstripe Alley rant took up my entire lunch hour and I still had to finish it after work. And I had to eat a darn salad for lunch, to make it easier to type. Now I’m starving.
Gil McDougald is one of the most under-rated players in baseball history. He has a decent case to be included in the top 20 of this list, but should be in the top 25 at worst.
Three things really worked against McDougald receiving the accolades he deserved.
1. The Herb Score incident
2. Not having a set position
3. Yankee Stadium
The Herb Score incident really took an emotional toll on McDougald, and not too long afterwards he came darn close to doing the same thing to another pitcher. That elicited talk in baseball circles along the lines of “Better watch out for McDougald, he’ll take your head off.” McDougald, noted for ripping nasty line drives up the middle and for being a fiery player (he had a dash of Paul O’Neill in him), started to lose his zest for the game. Instead of playing well into the 1960s with a 15+~season career, he retired after a mere ten seasons.
Gil McDougald was in the same class defensively as Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar. But he did something that neither of them ever did — he played shortstop and third base at a Gold Glove level, as well.
McDougald finished in the top four in defensive win shares for ALL American League positional players in half of his seasons. And he did it with three different primary positions (the position he played the most in that given season)— twice as a second baseman, twice as a shortstop, and once as a third baseman.
McDougald never had the opportunity to establish himself at one position and be regarded as The Guy at that position in the league. He was always flipping from 2nd to 3rd, then back to 2nd, then over to short, back over to 3rd, etc.
A recurring theme for many Yankees hitters that played in the original Yankee Stadium was seeing their offensive stats depressed by their home park. McDougald’s stats were neutered by Yankee Stadium. McDougald hit almost three times as many HRs on the road as he did at home, his batting average was 41 points lower at home than it was on the road, and his OPS was 167 points lower at home than it was on the road.
167 points…Lower…At home.
Here are the 11 best road OPS+ marks produced by Gil McDougald, Roberto Alomar, or Ryne Sandberg:
1. McDougald - 176
1. McDougald - 176 (yes - twice)
3. Alomar - 169
4. McDougald - 160
5. McDougald - 151
6. Alomar - 148
7. Sandberg - 147
8. Alomar - 145
9. McDougald - 140
10. McDougald - 136
10. Sandberg - 136
McDougald has six of the 11 best marks by himself, the other two produce a combined total of five. And McDougald has four of the top five marks. The results are similar if you replace Alomar and Sandberg with Frankie Frisch and Craig Biggio to run the comparison with McDougald.
Ten-Best Seasons Average
McDougald - 139.84
Biggio - 132.98
Alomar - 132.23
Frisch - 130.32
Sandberg - 123.99
One of the things that made Ryne Sandberg, RYNE SANDBERG was Wrigley Field. One of the things that made Gil McDougald simply Gil McDougald was Yankee Stadium.
Robinson Cano and Willie Randolph are both going to place higher on this list than Gil McDougald did.
But should they?
Joe Gordon is the only second baseman with a better defensive reputation than Gil McDougald, am we already went over the defensive win shares thing, so let’s turn to offense.
McDougald’s fifth-best road OPS+ mark would match Randolph’s best mark. McDougald’s worst mark was a 107. His second-worst mark was 117. Randolph failed to reach 100 in seven of his 13 seasons with the Yankees. Randolph’s calling card was working walks (and he was darn good at it) and getting on base. His lifetime OBP on the road was .362.
McDougald’s was .379.
Randolph did play three more seasons for the Yankees than McDougald did. McDougald’s ten best seasons were much better than Randolph’s ten best seasons. So what did Randolph’s three extra seasons produce? OPS+ marks (overall) of 100, 88, and 77.
We don’t even need to go into the weeds of comparing the Steroids player to the Non-Steroids player when comparing Cano and McDougald. Because a clean McDougald tops Cano (regardless if Cano was brimming with steroids or not). McDougald beats Cano’s best road OPS+ mark twice, and so on.
Nine-Best Yankee Seasons Average
McDougald - 143.85
Cano - 137.90
The Yankees did not have a set infield until 1961, when Ralph Houk became the new Team Manager. Gil wasn't the only Yankee infielder who did not like Manager Casey Stengel's infield "mix and match" system. 3B Andy Carey had told Casey that he wasn't happy, that he was a 3B, not a 2B, hence Casey would punish him by not selecting him for the AL All-Star teams in the 1950's. Clipper |
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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2024 21:34:40 GMT -5
Funny you’d say that. I awoke with a bloody nose from sinus issues this morn. Didn’t know it was bleeding and my bed and face looked like I was murdered… I had slipped a long sleeve tee on in the middle of the night and bloodied it as well. I’m still wearing it. The dogs have been trying lick it all day. 😂 I had blood running through my mustache and down to my throat. I’m about to take a shower in a few… Cold dry weather + 7000' elevation? To a degree perhaps. I used to have bloody noses back east in MD. Sinuses with frequent infections. Here my sinuses don’t like extreme weather change and never (so far) get infected. And I used to box a little as a teen, so naturally I took a few to the schnozz. Only one was real direct, but I shook it off and won the fight… |
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Post by Max on Jan 16, 2024 11:34:37 GMT -5
Is it just me or does 25 seem way too high for Cano?
In my opinion, it's not just you. Cano was a talented player. But I don't consider him in the top 100 Yankee players out of principle, because top players should run hard to 1B when they hit a ground ball. |
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Post by Max on Jan 16, 2024 11:37:10 GMT -5
Pinstripe Alley Top 100 Yankees: #25 Robinson Canó
Robbie electrified the Bronx faithful with his sweet swing and smooth glovework at the keystone.
I loved Cano. That is until I didn’t. What a disappointment he became… 💉…
I loved Cano too, but his lack of hustle to 1B became annoying. It's not much to ask a player to run hard to 1B 4 or 5 times a game.
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