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Post by rizzuto on Jun 4, 2024 21:24:18 GMT -5
Cole throwing nice and easy, and he still is hitting 97. His mechanics look really solid, as I expected that they would because Cole is a complete analytical pitching nerd, which is a good thing. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 4, 2024 21:25:07 GMT -5
I'd get that mole checked out.  |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 4, 2024 22:36:58 GMT -5
post game interview with Cole.
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Post by inger on Jun 4, 2024 23:33:18 GMT -5
I'd get that mole checked out. I could start there and check a bit further… just to make sure she had no further epidermal issues of course… |
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Post by yanksfan9 on Jun 5, 2024 14:39:07 GMT -5
I am learning that after all my years of watching baseball I know NOTHING about how teams handle injuries and why. I understand a rehab start for Cole but now that he has done that, and assuming he feels good in the following days why not just call him up now? He's throwing at full strength so why "waste" all these pitches in the minors? I understand he needs to build up his arm before being able to throw 100 pitches per game but why not start and throw 60-75 in his next start in the majors? Makes NO sense to me and never has. To me, they only have so many pitches in them so don't waste them. They are looking for opportunities to limit Gil's inning so why not start Cole and bring in Gil for abbreviated outings? I remember Joe Torre used to bring starters out of the bullpen to pitch in live games during their "throw day" between starts because the pithing staff had injuries and his take was the same - if they are throwing at full force anyway then why not?
On the note of inning limit for Gil - How many times have we seen guy's inning limited only to get hurt again anyway? There is simply no proof that limiting the innings does a damn thing. He could pitch a full load this season and feel fine or pitch 3/4 and get hurt. You could even make an argument now that limiting him could break his routine and that might get him hurt since his body/mind/arm are in this zone right now. The bottom line is that we never know when injuries are going to happen so my take is when these guys can throw then put them out there.
Another interesting question - Assuming Clarke comes back before Cole comes up...Who goes to the pen? I am guessing they will go with a 6-man rotation and skip Gil a couple times assuming everyone stays healthy but obviously I know nothing.
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Post by inger on Jun 5, 2024 15:54:59 GMT -5
I am learning that after all my years of watching baseball I know NOTHING about how teams handle injuries and why. I understand a rehab start for Cole but now that he has done that, and assuming he feels good in the following days why not just call him up now? He's throwing at full strength so why "waste" all these pitches in the minors? I understand he needs to build up his arm before being able to throw 100 pitches per game but why not start and throw 60-75 in his next start in the majors? Makes NO sense to me and never has. To me, they only have so many pitches in them so don't waste them. They are looking for opportunities to limit Gil's inning so why not start Cole and bring in Gil for abbreviated outings? I remember Joe Torre used to bring starters out of the bullpen to pitch in live games during their "throw day" between starts because the pithing staff had injuries and his take was the same - if they are throwing at full force anyway then why not? On the note of inning limit for Gil - How many times have we seen guy's inning limited only to get hurt again anyway? There is simply no proof that limiting the innings does a damn thing. He could pitch a full load this season and feel fine or pitch 3/4 and get hurt. You could even make an argument now that limiting him could break his routine and that might get him hurt since his body/mind/arm are in this zone right now. The bottom line is that we never know when injuries are going to happen so my take is when these guys can throw then put them out there. Another interesting question - Assuming Clarke comes back before Cole comes up...Who goes to the pen? I am guessing they will go with a 6-man rotation and skip Gil a couple times assuming everyone stays healthy but obviously I know nothing. You’re asking for the most closely guarded answer in the Yankee kingdom. And I agree. Why not bring that arm up. Use those precious pitches in a game? I’m guessing because most pitchers might push themselves a bit harder in an “official” game than the would in a “rehab”, which is somewhat more like an exhibition, where they might test out a new pitch, or lack the “touch” on their slow stuff… |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 5, 2024 18:05:06 GMT -5
I am learning that after all my years of watching baseball I know NOTHING about how teams handle injuries and why. I understand a rehab start for Cole but now that he has done that, and assuming he feels good in the following days why not just call him up now? He's throwing at full strength so why "waste" all these pitches in the minors? I understand he needs to build up his arm before being able to throw 100 pitches per game but why not start and throw 60-75 in his next start in the majors? Makes NO sense to me and never has. To me, they only have so many pitches in them so don't waste them. They are looking for opportunities to limit Gil's inning so why not start Cole and bring in Gil for abbreviated outings? I remember Joe Torre used to bring starters out of the bullpen to pitch in live games during their "throw day" between starts because the pithing staff had injuries and his take was the same - if they are throwing at full force anyway then why not? On the note of inning limit for Gil - How many times have we seen guy's inning limited only to get hurt again anyway? There is simply no proof that limiting the innings does a damn thing. He could pitch a full load this season and feel fine or pitch 3/4 and get hurt. You could even make an argument now that limiting him could break his routine and that might get him hurt since his body/mind/arm are in this zone right now. The bottom line is that we never know when injuries are going to happen so my take is when these guys can throw then put them out there. Another interesting question - Assuming Clarke comes back before Cole comes up...Who goes to the pen? I am guessing they will go with a 6-man rotation and skip Gil a couple times assuming everyone stays healthy but obviously I know nothing. There's probably several reasons why they'll keep Cole in the minors until he builds up his pitch count. One, they want to make sure he's ready to face big league hitters, one 3 inning start against double A guys won't cut it. Another is that teams are limited to 13 pitchers on the active big league roster at one time. When it comes time to activate Cole, another pitcher has to go and with Cole not stretched out yet, he won't be going deep into his next start, so this could tax the bullpen. I also doubt the Yankees want to go to a six man rotation, because that too will eventually tax the pen. Another, they like the huge crowds at the minor league games when Cole pitchers. OK, I made that one up.  Anyway, if all goes well, Cole should be back before the end of the June, much better time table than after the All Star Break, which is what they were forecasting when Cole first went on the IL. |
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Post by yanksfan9 on Jun 6, 2024 9:40:46 GMT -5
I am learning that after all my years of watching baseball I know NOTHING about how teams handle injuries and why. I understand a rehab start for Cole but now that he has done that, and assuming he feels good in the following days why not just call him up now? He's throwing at full strength so why "waste" all these pitches in the minors? I understand he needs to build up his arm before being able to throw 100 pitches per game but why not start and throw 60-75 in his next start in the majors? Makes NO sense to me and never has. To me, they only have so many pitches in them so don't waste them. They are looking for opportunities to limit Gil's inning so why not start Cole and bring in Gil for abbreviated outings? I remember Joe Torre used to bring starters out of the bullpen to pitch in live games during their "throw day" between starts because the pithing staff had injuries and his take was the same - if they are throwing at full force anyway then why not? On the note of inning limit for Gil - How many times have we seen guy's inning limited only to get hurt again anyway? There is simply no proof that limiting the innings does a damn thing. He could pitch a full load this season and feel fine or pitch 3/4 and get hurt. You could even make an argument now that limiting him could break his routine and that might get him hurt since his body/mind/arm are in this zone right now. The bottom line is that we never know when injuries are going to happen so my take is when these guys can throw then put them out there. Another interesting question - Assuming Clarke comes back before Cole comes up...Who goes to the pen? I am guessing they will go with a 6-man rotation and skip Gil a couple times assuming everyone stays healthy but obviously I know nothing. There's probably several reasons why they'll keep Cole in the minors until he builds up his pitch count. One, they want to make sure he's ready to face big league hitters, one 3 inning start against double A guys won't cut it. Another is that teams are limited to 13 pitchers on the active big league roster at one time. When it comes time to activate Cole, another pitcher has to go and with Cole not stretched out yet, he won't be going deep into his next start, so this could tax the bullpen. I also doubt the Yankees want to go to a six man rotation, because that too will eventually tax the pen. Another, they like the huge crowds at the minor league games when Cole pitchers. OK, I made that one up. Anyway, if all goes well, Cole should be back before the end of the June, much better time table than after the All Star Break, which is what they were forecasting when Cole first went on the IL. All that makes sense but I feel like the issue is not the hitters he is facing but rather if he is able to command his pitches and if his velocity is there and his arm feels good. If all those are a yes then to me just bring him up. Either way, I hope he is back soon. The Yanks could have the 2 best pitchers in the game at the top of their rotation. The days of hoping they would sign Blake Snell seem like another lifetime. I'd like to give Cashman and the Yanks brass credit for holding firm and not giving in to his demands but then again they did give him a great offer that as of now would have been a total bust. Glad we have that payroll to try to sign Soto now. |
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Post by inger on Jun 6, 2024 9:45:11 GMT -5
There's probably several reasons why they'll keep Cole in the minors until he builds up his pitch count. One, they want to make sure he's ready to face big league hitters, one 3 inning start against double A guys won't cut it. Another is that teams are limited to 13 pitchers on the active big league roster at one time. When it comes time to activate Cole, another pitcher has to go and with Cole not stretched out yet, he won't be going deep into his next start, so this could tax the bullpen. I also doubt the Yankees want to go to a six man rotation, because that too will eventually tax the pen. Another, they like the huge crowds at the minor league games when Cole pitchers. OK, I made that one up. Anyway, if all goes well, Cole should be back before the end of the June, much better time table than after the All Star Break, which is what they were forecasting when Cole first went on the IL. All that makes sense but I feel like the issue is not the hitters he is facing but rather if he is able to command his pitches and if his velocity is there and his arm feels good. If all those are a yes then to me just bring him up. Either way, I hope he is back soon. The Yanks could have the 2 best pitchers in the game at the top of their rotation. The days of hoping they would sign Blake Snell seem like another lifetime. I'd like to give Cashman and the Yanks brass credit for holding firm and not giving in to his demands but then again they did give him a great offer that as of now would have been a total bust. Glad we have that payroll to try to sign Soto now. If Snell had signed that Yankee offer he’d likely be pitching much more up to his career standards. By waiting until spring training had already started he (Snell) cheated him self out of ST. The problem is that other than in two seasons, his career standards are not all that good. |
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Post by yanksfan9 on Jun 6, 2024 13:22:41 GMT -5
All that makes sense but I feel like the issue is not the hitters he is facing but rather if he is able to command his pitches and if his velocity is there and his arm feels good. If all those are a yes then to me just bring him up. Either way, I hope he is back soon. The Yanks could have the 2 best pitchers in the game at the top of their rotation. The days of hoping they would sign Blake Snell seem like another lifetime. I'd like to give Cashman and the Yanks brass credit for holding firm and not giving in to his demands but then again they did give him a great offer that as of now would have been a total bust. Glad we have that payroll to try to sign Soto now. If Snell had signed that Yankee offer he’d likely be pitching much more up to his career standards. By waiting until spring training had already started he (Snell) cheated him self out of ST. The problem is that other than in two seasons, his career standards are not all that good. Yeah very true - He might be doing better had he signed with the Yanks back then but I am glad he didn't. Outside of those 2 Cy Young Seasons he has been mediocre at best. I really hope he and everyone else fire Boras after that fiasco. It may have ruined Snell's career and cost him millions. |
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Post by inger on Jun 6, 2024 13:52:32 GMT -5
If Snell had signed that Yankee offer he’d likely be pitching much more up to his career standards. By waiting until spring training had already started he (Snell) cheated him self out of ST. The problem is that other than in two seasons, his career standards are not all that good. Yeah very true - He might be doing better had he signed with the Yanks back then but I am glad he didn't. Outside of those 2 Cy Young Seasons he has been mediocre at best. I really hope he and everyone else fire Boras after that fiasco. It may have ruined Snell's career and cost him millions. He’s taken clients too far before and somehow they still love him for his overall track record. But this time he got Montgomery, too… |
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