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Post by azbob643 on Jun 6, 2024 17:57:11 GMT -5
Now...I'm gonna personally watch tonight's game. Because I'm gonna be watching it myself, I don't need pitch-by-pitch reporting. Others may enjoy it, but I can see it for myself. But I will address the rest of your post at my convenience. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 6, 2024 18:27:26 GMT -5
OK, so I'll take these points one at a time. About Verdugo's play last night: I've watched the play four times now, and he was most definitely NOT running all out just before he hit the wall, in fact he was changing direction slightly at the very end and slowing down slightly to diminish the impact. He did, in fact, break stride, if only a little. In fact, if you watch closely, he's able to turn his throwing arm slightly in front of him to take some of the brunt of the impact on the arm as well as his knee on the padding down lower. OK...I'll take these points one at a time... I've watched the play four times now, and he was most definitely NOT running all out just before he hit the wall, in fact he was changing direction slightly at the very end and slowing down slightly to diminish the impact. He did, in fact, break stride, if only a little." ABSOLUTELY FALSE |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 6, 2024 18:29:26 GMT -5
It's simply not true that players give their best effort on every play, and as I pointed out, smart managers will ignore it or handle it behind closed doors if they see a player not running all out down to 1st on a grounder in a 10-2 game in the 8th inning. Players DON'T run all-out on popups and easy fly balls, until they see a chance they might not be caught. The Yankees DON'T demand Stanton bust it all out every time he runs because if they do, they KNOW he'll wind up on the IL for long stretches, and they lose his bat for those games. We're talking defensively...just a Kepler risked injury attempting to rob Gleyber of a HR, as did Margot on the two balls Gleyber hit his way, and Verdugo did last night...which, considering Buxton's speed, robbed him of at least a triple and possibly an inside-the-park HR. I'm sure not one of those players, and the many others who do the same all year, thought about possible injury before deciding to make those attempts. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 6, 2024 18:30:35 GMT -5
OK...I'll take these points one at a time... I've watched the play four times now, and he was most definitely NOT running all out just before he hit the wall, in fact he was changing direction slightly at the very end and slowing down slightly to diminish the impact. He did, in fact, break stride, if only a little." ABSOLUTELY FALSELOL...OK, if that "makes you right", which apparently makes you happy. Reminds me of another poster... |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 6, 2024 18:34:51 GMT -5
a) There is no such thing as an insurmountable lead making the games less important in the first week of June, you build an insurmountable lead over 120-140 games, and the Yanks are still 60-80 games away from being there (if, in fact, they ever get there with the O's still close), and therefore, if you lose a crucial player to a serious injury crashing into the wall, your chances of getting that insurmountable lead are considerably smaller. Didn't say anything about an insurmountable lead "in the first week of June" A 10 game lead with 9 games to go is insurmountable. That lead would've been the result of wins at any time during the season...including early June. Splitting hairs, at best. You talked about a game in June as helping to build an insurmountable lead. True as far is it goes, shich isn't far at all. While a game in June can be part of that, it's a tiny part, at most. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 6, 2024 18:45:00 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY TRUEAnd my caps are bigger than yours, so that makes me right. LOL...OK, if that "makes you right", which apparently makes you happy. Reminds me of another poster... Obviously, sarcastic. Your "refutation" of my point was simply gainsaying that I was wrong. I replied in kind. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 6, 2024 18:47:11 GMT -5
Didn't say anything about an insurmountable lead "in the first week of June" A 10 game lead with 9 games to go is insurmountable. That lead would've been the result of wins at any time during the season...including early June. Splitting hairs, at best. You talked about a game in June as helping to build an insurmountable lead. True as far is it goes, shich isn't far at all. While a game in June can be part of that, it's a tiny part, at most. No, it's not...a win is a win. They all count in the standings, regardless of when the game was played. Tough losses early in the season can cost teams a playoff spot. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 6, 2024 18:52:00 GMT -5
LOL...OK, if that "makes you right", which apparently makes you happy. Reminds me of another poster... Obviously, sarcastic. Your "refutation" of my point was simply gainsaying that I was wrong. I replied in kind. OK...so, is it your assertion that Verdugo pulled up prior to making the catch? If so...post the video. That'll end all debate. If not, I'll ask again..in your opinion, without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, should he have? |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 6, 2024 20:06:08 GMT -5
Splitting hairs, at best. You talked about a game in June as helping to build an insurmountable lead. True as far is it goes, shich isn't far at all. While a game in June can be part of that, it's a tiny part, at most. No, it's not...a win is a win. They all count in the standings, regardless of when the game was played. Tough losses early in the season can cost teams a playoff spot. Obviously. But as ONE win is only one out of perhaps 100 or so to form that insurmountable lead, it's a tiny part of the 100 wins. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 6, 2024 20:07:31 GMT -5
Obviously, sarcastic. Your "refutation" of my point was simply gainsaying that I was wrong. I replied in kind. OK...so, is it your assertion that Verdugo pulled up prior to making the catch? If so...post the video. That'll end all debate. If not, I'll ask again..in your opinion, without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, should he have? He was definitely slowing a bit as he approached the wall, making sure he got his arm down to lessen the impact. Post the video. OK by me. Not the same situation as Judge, really, but if he had pulled up, I'd have been OK with it. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 6, 2024 20:15:27 GMT -5
No, it's not...a win is a win. They all count in the standings, regardless of when the game was played. Tough losses early in the season can cost teams a playoff spot. Obviously. But as ONE win is only one out of perhaps 100 or so to form that insurmountable lead, it's a tiny part of the 100 wins. So silly it doesn't even deserve a response. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 6, 2024 20:16:27 GMT -5
OK...so, is it your assertion that Verdugo pulled up prior to making the catch? If so...post the video. That'll end all debate. If not, I'll ask again..in your opinion, without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, should he have? He was definitely slowing a bit as he approached the wall, making sure he got his arm down to lessen the impact. Post the video. OK by me. Not the same situation as Judge, really, but if he had pulled up, I'd have been OK with it. How is it not "the same situation as Judge"? |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 6, 2024 20:19:55 GMT -5
Obviously. But as ONE win is only one out of perhaps 100 or so to form that insurmountable lead, it's a tiny part of the 100 wins. So silly it doesn't even deserve a response. An obvious truth is silly....OK. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 6, 2024 20:28:22 GMT -5
He was definitely slowing a bit as he approached the wall, making sure he got his arm down to lessen the impact. Post the video. OK by me. Not the same situation as Judge, really, but if he had pulled up, I'd have been OK with it. How is it not "the same situation as Judge"? Because he isn't the clear best player on this team. Because, as great as he's done this season, if the lose him with an extended injury, they have options to cover for him. For example, Jasson Dominguez. Because their standings position is much stronger than it was at this time last year. Because the game was 4-0 top 2nd, two outs and nobody on base and not 5-3 with the tying runs on base in the 8th. That justifies Verdugo NOT going all out to make that catch. Judge's try is better in the game situation, but not the team/season situation.. Just watched it again. Verdugo knows he has the catch lined up and is defintely slowing down/easing up in the last step or two and does get his throwing arm down to destribute the impact., minimizing the damage to any one part of his body. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 6, 2024 20:36:30 GMT -5
Just watched it again. Verdugo knows he has the catch lined up and is defintely slowing down/easing up in the last step or two and does get his throwing arm down to destribute the impact., minimizing the damage to any one part of his body. Post the video... |
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