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Post by chiyankee on Jun 10, 2024 10:30:55 GMT -5
Just shows what Judge is all about as a person. It also reminds when Letroy Hawkins was going through with Yankee fans just because he had the nerve to wear the then available #31. No on from the Yankees stuck up for Hawkins the way Judge did for Grisham. I take it that fans was frustrated after losing 2 games and not wanting Yankees to get swept. No doubt Judge provides great leadership, and he should be commented. After a late night game, I'm surprised there was no travel/off day scheduled heading to KC. Aside from the 2nd game, Yankees was in it for the win in game 1. All in all it was a competitive series. It's a strange road trip. Flying to Kansas City and then back to the northeast and Boston, instead of another midwestern city, like Chicago. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 10, 2024 10:45:23 GMT -5
Sad but true. Also true for many other fan bases. I dunno. I attend at least one, usually two Yankee away series every year. Don't see that kind of vitriol by other fans toward their players very often. In fact, when Trea Turner was struggling last year Phillies fans...not known to be particularly "gracious"...decided to cheer rather than boo him. And he responded...positively. Yeah, but the business with Turner was kind of a one-off thing that started on social media and went viral. Philly fans are very similar to Boston or New York fans when it comes to giving crap to their own. After Dick Allen was the villain, they picked on Greg Luzinski until Mike Schmidt came along. Schmidt had a very bumpy relationship with the fans until long after his retirement, when they sort of reconciled. They always hated Scott Rolen, who returned the favor. Ryan Howard was a whipping boy, as was Pat Burrell for many years before he too had an epiphany. Right now they're playing so well that there isn't much to complain about, but I see enough of their games to know that Nick Castellanos is a target. It's funny, there are some guys they never booed -- Larry Bowa, Pete Rose, John Kruk, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley and now Bryce Harper. It's like they can sense whose skin can be gotten under. Well I didn't intend to do a dissertation on the fans in Philly, just kind of started rolling. Booooo. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 10, 2024 11:05:57 GMT -5
I dunno. I attend at least one, usually two Yankee away series every year. Don't see that kind of vitriol by other fans toward their players very often. In fact, when Trea Turner was struggling last year Phillies fans...not known to be particularly "gracious"...decided to cheer rather than boo him. And he responded...positively. Yeah, but the business with Turner was kind of a one-off thing that started on social media and went viral. Philly fans are very similar to Boston or New York fans when it comes to giving crap to their own. After Dick Allen was the villain, they picked on Greg Luzinski until Mike Schmidt came along. Schmidt had a very bumpy relationship with the fans until long after his retirement, when they sort of reconciled. They always hated Scott Rolen, who returned the favor. Ryan Howard was a whipping boy, as was Pat Burrell for many years before he too had an epiphany. Right now they're playing so well that there isn't much to complain about, but I see enough of their games to know that Nick Castellanos is a target. It's funny, there are some guys they never booed -- Larry Bowa, Pete Rose, John Kruk, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley and now Bryce Harper. It's like they can sense whose skin can be gotten under. Well I didn't intend to do a dissertation on the fans in Philly, just kind of started rolling. Booooo. All true, of course. And frankly, I don't blame a player for publicly reacting to "abuse" by some fans...like flipping them off. They're obviously very well paid to perform, but IMO that doesn't give fans the right to heap unjust criticism on them. I think we sometimes forget they're people just like everyone else. I know it comes with the territory, but I wonder how many of us would enjoy 40,000 people looking over our shoulders critiquing our job performance every day. |
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Post by nw on Jun 10, 2024 12:16:55 GMT -5
I'm glad Judge stepped up for him. Maybe it's just me, but the chant of "we want Soto" seemed to add an extra layer of personalized spite that made it nastier than an old-fashioned booing, which all the players from Mantle to Judge have gone through at times. None of us, including Boone, want Grisham out there on a regular basis, but the guy is in a tough spot in the way he is being used. I was really happy for him when he hit that clutch home run. It may well turn out to be his all-time highlight in a Yankee uniform. I was kind of hoping the fans would ask for a curtain call after he hit it. Maybe they were too stunned to react. Just shows what Judge is all about as a person. It also reminds when Letroy Hawkins was going through with Yankee fans just because he had the nerve to wear the then available #31. No on from the Yankees stuck up for Hawkins the way Judge did for Grisham. Hawkins wore #21, which some Yankee fans believed should have been retired for O'Neill. I'll save my comments for this ridiculous number retirement for another thread. There were certainly a couple of criticisms of Jeter during his time as captain. There was the whole A-Rod thing, but there has also been a lot written about the Yankee clubhouse being a clubhouse of "haves" and "have nots" during Jeter's tenure. One of the things I'll give Judge credit for, and he mentioned it the other day in his interview, is that he's learned how to lead through the successes and failures of others. I don't think it's by accident that Judge lifts up all of his teammates, not just the ones who are part of the "clique". I feel like this rumored or written gap in Jeter's performance as captain was filled by Mariano. It's well known the he is a man of God and that he truly values everyone from the star to the role player to the guy who cleans the latrine in the clubhouse. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jun 10, 2024 12:19:08 GMT -5
Kaybli, hate to do it here but I tried to message you and it didn't appear to go through. I have been trying to start a thread with a poll but the poll won't load. Do I need some kind of permission to do that. Seems straight forward but when I click the button to add the poll nothing happens.
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Post by nw on Jun 10, 2024 12:21:39 GMT -5
Yeah, but the business with Turner was kind of a one-off thing that started on social media and went viral. Philly fans are very similar to Boston or New York fans when it comes to giving crap to their own. After Dick Allen was the villain, they picked on Greg Luzinski until Mike Schmidt came along. Schmidt had a very bumpy relationship with the fans until long after his retirement, when they sort of reconciled. They always hated Scott Rolen, who returned the favor. Ryan Howard was a whipping boy, as was Pat Burrell for many years before he too had an epiphany. Right now they're playing so well that there isn't much to complain about, but I see enough of their games to know that Nick Castellanos is a target. It's funny, there are some guys they never booed -- Larry Bowa, Pete Rose, John Kruk, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley and now Bryce Harper. It's like they can sense whose skin can be gotten under. Well I didn't intend to do a dissertation on the fans in Philly, just kind of started rolling. Booooo. All true, of course. And frankly, I don't blame a player for publicly reacting to "abuse" by some fans...like flipping them off. They're obviously very well paid to perform, but IMO that doesn't give fans the right to heap unjust criticism on them. I think we sometimes forget they're people just like everyone else. I know it comes with the territory, but I wonder how many of us would enjoy 40,000 people looking over our shoulders critiquing our job performance every day. Professional baseball players are paid to be professionals. When you're being paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to perform, negative comments come with the territory when you aren't performing. Quite honestly, I'm sure Trent Grisham would have wanted Soto in that situation too. I'm also certain that he's aware he isn't even on the interstate and he doesn't take pride in that. I do give him credit though, despite the lack of playing time, he goes out there every day to try to best prepare himself. |
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Post by inger on Jun 10, 2024 12:46:04 GMT -5
Yeah, but the business with Turner was kind of a one-off thing that started on social media and went viral. Philly fans are very similar to Boston or New York fans when it comes to giving crap to their own. After Dick Allen was the villain, they picked on Greg Luzinski until Mike Schmidt came along. Schmidt had a very bumpy relationship with the fans until long after his retirement, when they sort of reconciled. They always hated Scott Rolen, who returned the favor. Ryan Howard was a whipping boy, as was Pat Burrell for many years before he too had an epiphany. Right now they're playing so well that there isn't much to complain about, but I see enough of their games to know that Nick Castellanos is a target. It's funny, there are some guys they never booed -- Larry Bowa, Pete Rose, John Kruk, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley and now Bryce Harper. It's like they can sense whose skin can be gotten under. Well I didn't intend to do a dissertation on the fans in Philly, just kind of started rolling. Booooo. All true, of course. And frankly, I don't blame a player for publicly reacting to "abuse" by some fans...like flipping them off. They're obviously very well paid to perform, but IMO that doesn't give fans the right to heap unjust criticism on them. I think we sometimes forget they're people just like everyone else. I know it comes with the territory, but I wonder how many of us would enjoy 40,000 people looking over our shoulders critiquing our job performance every day. That was sort of like my career at AmeriGas…corporate goons everywhere… |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 10, 2024 12:57:46 GMT -5
Just shows what Judge is all about as a person. It also reminds when Letroy Hawkins was going through with Yankee fans just because he had the nerve to wear the then available #31. No on from the Yankees stuck up for Hawkins the way Judge did for Grisham. Hawkins wore #21, which some Yankee fans believed should have been retired for O'Neill. I'll save my comments for this ridiculous number retirement for another thread. There were certainly a couple of criticisms of Jeter during his time as captain. There was the whole A-Rod thing, but there has also been a lot written about the Yankee clubhouse being a clubhouse of "haves" and "have nots" during Jeter's tenure. One of the things I'll give Judge credit for, and he mentioned it the other day in his interview, is that he's learned how to lead through the successes and failures of others. I don't think it's by accident that Judge lifts up all of his teammates, not just the ones who are part of the "clique". I feel like this rumored or written gap in Jeter's performance as captain was filled by Mariano. It's well known the he is a man of God and that he truly values everyone from the star to the role player to the guy who cleans the latrine in the clubhouse. I've always been a big fan of Jeter and 99% of his tenure with the Yankees was positive, but this is the one rare time where he dropped the ball. If he stepped up and spoke out at that time, like Judge did last night and defended Hawkins, the whole ordeal would have been put to rest right there and then. |
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Post by kaybli on Jun 10, 2024 13:34:53 GMT -5
Kaybli, hate to do it here but I tried to message you and it didn't appear to go through. I have been trying to start a thread with a poll but the poll won't load. Do I need some kind of permission to do that. Seems straight forward but when I click the button to add the poll nothing happens. I messaged you back, but I'll write what I said here too.
It doesn't actually load and show the poll until after you post the thread. Once you create the poll though it is there. Just post the thread and it will show up.
Here's a video tutorial:
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 10, 2024 13:36:31 GMT -5
Hawkins wore #21, which some Yankee fans believed should have been retired for O'Neill. I'll save my comments for this ridiculous number retirement for another thread. There were certainly a couple of criticisms of Jeter during his time as captain. There was the whole A-Rod thing, but there has also been a lot written about the Yankee clubhouse being a clubhouse of "haves" and "have nots" during Jeter's tenure. One of the things I'll give Judge credit for, and he mentioned it the other day in his interview, is that he's learned how to lead through the successes and failures of others. I don't think it's by accident that Judge lifts up all of his teammates, not just the ones who are part of the "clique". I feel like this rumored or written gap in Jeter's performance as captain was filled by Mariano. It's well known the he is a man of God and that he truly values everyone from the star to the role player to the guy who cleans the latrine in the clubhouse. I've always been a big fan of Jeter and 99% of his tenure with the Yankees was positive, but this is the one rare time where he dropped the ball. If he stepped up and spoke out at that time, like Judge did last night and defended Hawkins, the whole ordeal would have been put to rest right there and then. I didn't trust my memory on this one so I read some articles from the time. Had it been 1968 rather than 2008 I would have gone with my memory.😉 Anyway, during Spring Training of 2008, Morgan Ensberg was assigned number 21. He got so much grief from fans that he changed numbers before the season even began. LaTroy Hawkins had always worn number 32, but the Yankees had already retired that one for Elston Howard. So Hawkins chose 21 to, he said, pay tribute to Roberto Clemente. This didn't go over any better in The Bronx than it did in Tampa. Hawkins had had some experience getting booed from his time with the Cubs, where fans got on him after a run of blown saves. Actually LaTroy only appeared in three games at Yankee Stadium wearing that number. Supposedly after talking it over with Jeter and Mo, Hawkins decided to take number 22 -- the former number of Roger Clemens. This obviously did not upset the Yankee faithful nearly as much. In looking him up I found a few interesting tidbits about LaTroy Hawkins. First, with 1,042 games pitched, he ranks tenth all-time, eight behind Kent Tekulve and seven ahead of Trevor Hoffman. And second, he is the godfather of Patrick Mahomes, whose father was a teammate of LaTroy. |
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Post by inger on Jun 10, 2024 13:47:24 GMT -5
I've always been a big fan of Jeter and 99% of his tenure with the Yankees was positive, but this is the one rare time where he dropped the ball. If he stepped up and spoke out at that time, like Judge did last night and defended Hawkins, the whole ordeal would have been put to rest right there and then. I didn't trust my memory on this one so I read some articles from the time. Had it been 1968 rather than 2008 I would have gone with my memory.😉 Anyway, during Spring Training of 2008, Morgan Ensberg was assigned number 21. He got so much grief from fans that he changed numbers before the season even began. LaTroy Hawkins had always worn number 32, but the Yankees had already retired that one for Elston Howard. So Hawkins chose 21 to, he said, pay tribute to Roberto Clemente. This didn't go over any better in The Bronx than it did in Tampa. Hawkins had had some experience getting booed from his time with the Cubs, where fans got on him after a run of blown saves. Actually LaTroy only appeared in three games at Yankee Stadium wearing that number. Supposedly after talking it over with Jeter and Mo, Hawkins decided to take number 22 -- the former number of Roger Clemens. This obviously did not upset the Yankee faithful nearly as much. In looking him up I found a few interesting tidbits about LaTroy Hawkins. First, with 1,042 games pitched, he ranks tenth all-time, eight behind Kent Tekulve and seven ahead of Trevor Hoffman. And second, he is the godfather of Patrick Mahomes, whose father was a teammate of LaTroy. A couple more Hawkins tidbits of info. Approaching his retirement at age 42 in 2015 he had become the oldest player in MLB. He also shares a record with Bartolo Colon, Mike Morgan and Ron Villone for having posted a victory for 11 different teams… |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 10, 2024 13:47:57 GMT -5
I've always been a big fan of Jeter and 99% of his tenure with the Yankees was positive, but this is the one rare time where he dropped the ball. If he stepped up and spoke out at that time, like Judge did last night and defended Hawkins, the whole ordeal would have been put to rest right there and then. I didn't trust my memory on this one so I read some articles from the time. Had it been 1968 rather than 2008 I would have gone with my memory.😉 My thought process is so messed up I was talking about Hawkins wearing O'Neill's #21 but typed #31 instead.  Of course, Winfield's #31 had zero chance of being retired and has been reissued several times over the years. |
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Post by inger on Jun 10, 2024 13:53:07 GMT -5
I didn't trust my memory on this one so I read some articles from the time. Had it been 1968 rather than 2008 I would have gone with my memory.😉 My thought process is so messed up I was talking about Hawkins wearing O'Neill's #21 but typed #31 instead. Of course, Winfield's #31 had zero chance of being retired and has been reissued several times over the years. I saw that, but I knew what you meant. I didn’t associate the error with your thought processes though. I just figured it was an aging fat thumb that hit a wrong key…I have to retype 1/2 of what I type any more… 🤓 Here’s this message before I retyped it: Great evell Ol ced We wet eve w w CC doc SSE add a n as Ed a r. S SS s s a WC byy to u BBC crr E dcof ik us the edge er g. See what I mean? 🤓 |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 10, 2024 14:17:47 GMT -5
All true, of course. And frankly, I don't blame a player for publicly reacting to "abuse" by some fans...like flipping them off. They're obviously very well paid to perform, but IMO that doesn't give fans the right to heap unjust criticism on them. I think we sometimes forget they're people just like everyone else. I know it comes with the territory, but I wonder how many of us would enjoy 40,000 people looking over our shoulders critiquing our job performance every day. Professional baseball players are paid to be professionals. When you're being paid hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to perform, negative comments come with the territory when you aren't performing. Didn't say there is anything wrong with "negative comments"...just no justification for the over-the-top vitriol some "fans" feel entitled to spew. Addressed the pay issue in the post you responded to which, regardless, is irrelevant. |
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Post by Max on Jun 10, 2024 14:53:27 GMT -5
I take it that fans was frustrated after losing 2 games and not wanting Yankees to get swept. No doubt Judge provides great leadership, and he should be commented. After a late night game, I'm surprised there was no travel/off day scheduled heading to KC. Aside from the 2nd game, Yankees was in it for the win in game 1. All in all it was a competitive series. It's a strange road trip. Flying to Kansas City and then back to the northeast and Boston, instead of another midwestern city, like Chicago. Kind of like the Yankees playing the Giants in San Francisco but not playing the A's in Oakland on the same road trip. |
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Of course, Winfield's #31 had zero chance of being retired and has been reissued several times over the years. 