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Post by ypaterson on Jun 20, 2024 12:20:07 GMT -5
Will someone please explain why guys wear metal spikes and slid head first ? Spikes are for digging in and speeding up faster on dirt. Same reason track sprinters do. When the head first slide is mandated I'll be fine with it. But is is clear that sliding head first give too much advantage to the infielder. The rules still allow a ball to be dislodged by a well placed foot. I am fine with tossing a guy who goes in with spikes raised...but the hard slide is still part of the game. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 20, 2024 13:12:17 GMT -5
Spikes are for digging in and speeding up faster on dirt. Same reason track sprinters do. But is is clear that sliding head first give too much advantage to the infielder. Not so. An infielder/catcher cannot block the bag/plate until he has complete control of the thrown ball. Using a headfirst "dive" a baserunner has much more control over avoiding a tag by using maneuvers such as a swim move. He will also have much more control remaining in contact with the bag using a headfirst "dive", and will also reach the bag/plate quicker as confirmed with the application of simple physics... According to Washington State physicist David Peters, it's simple physics: As a runner slides headfirst, the body's center of gravity – and therefore its momentum– is thrust forwards. Slide feet first, and the body's center of gravity falls backwards, away from the base. "It's basic, fundamental angular momentum and Newton's laws applied to a body in motion being flung through the air," physicist Peters said. Fellow physicist Alan Nathan agreed, noting that it's easier for a runner's churning legs to generate force with head and arms leading, not trailing. |
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Post by rizzuto on Jun 20, 2024 13:30:55 GMT -5
But is is clear that sliding head first give too much advantage to the infielder. Not so. An infielder/catcher cannot block the bag/plate until he has complete control of the thrown ball. Using a headfirst "dive" a baserunner has much more control over avoiding a tag by using maneuvers such as a swim move. He will also have much more control remaining in contact with the bag using a headfirst "dive", and will also reach the bag/plate quicker as confirmed with the application of simple physics... According to Washington State physicist David Peters, it's simple physics: As a runner slides headfirst, the body's center of gravity – and therefore its momentum– is thrust forwards. Slide feet first, and the body's center of gravity falls backwards, away from the base. "It's basic, fundamental angular momentum and Newton's laws applied to a body in motion being flung through the air," physicist Peters said. Fellow physicist Alan Nathan agreed, noting that it's easier for a runner's churning legs to generate force with head and arms leading, not trailing. It is an excellent baseball question. I found this: "But sliding involves many variables, and the available science is contradictory." "It’s not completely obvious you will always get there quicker one way or the other,” said Alan M. Nathan, a retired physicist at the University of Illinois who studies the physics of baseball. “My take from the experiments is that it’s so close, on average, it’s a wash.” and this: "In theory, head first ought to be faster, but it appears that those who slide feet-first slide harder—I assume because they accelerate until closer to the base than the head-first sliders. Gong in head first causes the sliders to pull their punch a bit to avoid injury. "The old school players had it right the first time. Feet-first is better when you measure results with electric timing and take into account which body parts are injured most." and this: "The main culprit is friction. When a player slides headfirst into their base, their abdomen, anterior thighs, knees, and chest are making contact with the ground. Meanwhile, a feet-first dive only involves the buttocks and posterior thighs. This means the feet-first slide maintains less surface area, which results in less friction. The reduced amount of friction provides baseball players with more speed. Therefore, a feet-first slide and a head-first slide are the same in terms of speed." |
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Post by inger on Jun 20, 2024 13:33:01 GMT -5
I’m going to have to do a BIG JEEP late game entry today. I have a doctor’s appointment today at 5 minutes before game time… routine psychiatric exam… 🤓
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Post by JEGnj on Jun 20, 2024 13:33:16 GMT -5
The Yankees are one of the best teams in MLB but sometimes it feels like the wheels are falling off the bus.
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Post by ypaterson on Jun 20, 2024 13:36:14 GMT -5
But is is clear that sliding head first give too much advantage to the infielder. Not so. An infielder/catcher cannot block the bag/plate until he has complete control of the thrown ball. Using a headfirst "dive" a baserunner has much more control over avoiding a tag by using maneuvers such as a swim move. He will also have much more control remaining in contact with the bag using a headfirst "dive", and will also reach the bag/plate quicker as confirmed with the application of simple physics... According to Washington State physicist David Peters, it's simple physics: As a runner slides headfirst, the body's center of gravity – and therefore its momentum– is thrust forwards. Slide feet first, and the body's center of gravity falls backwards, away from the base. "It's basic, fundamental angular momentum and Newton's laws applied to a body in motion being flung through the air," physicist Peters said. Fellow physicist Alan Nathan agreed, noting that it's easier for a runner's churning legs to generate force with head and arms leading, not trailing. I am not arguing which technicue gets you there faster. I am arguing that unless baseball changes the rules the feet first slide os the only option other than just giving yourself up. Maybe Andrew McCutcheon explanined my lanent better than I can. www.mlb.com/news/mlb-gives-umpires-new-guidance-for-base-blocking-rule |
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Post by inger on Jun 20, 2024 13:44:33 GMT -5
The Yankees are one of the best teams in MLB but sometimes it feels like the wheels are falling off the bus. There is a difference between having one of the best records and being the best team. Who has the best team varies throughout the season as teams change their roster and incur injuries. Right now, with Rizzo slumping and now injured, with the previously injured DJ at third and not producing, with Trevino’s defensive issues, Torres still not hitting regularly, and a sorry ass bullpen we could easily go into the kind of tailspin we did a couple years ago. This team is Soto, Judge, Verdugo and… whatever anyone else can make happen on a given day…Volpe? He’s a positive as well, but he’s been on and off a bit. As the season goes on we’ll see which way he goes… I hope we don’t, but I’m more nervous than a should be… |
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Post by ypaterson on Jun 20, 2024 13:52:58 GMT -5
The Yankees are one of the best teams in MLB but sometimes it feels like the wheels are falling off the bus. This team is not nearly as complete as Yankee teams most of us remember. Judge, Soto and Cole are as good as any Yankees trio since Maris, Berra and Ford worked in the Bronx, but there are some spots that could be improved. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 20, 2024 13:54:22 GMT -5
It is an excellent baseball question. I found this: "But sliding involves many variables, and the available science is contradictory." "It’s not completely obvious you will always get there quicker one way or the other,” said Alan M. Nathan, a retired physicist at the University of Illinois who studies the physics of baseball. “My take from the experiments is that it’s so close, on average, it’s a wash.” and this: "In theory, head first ought to be faster, but it appears that those who slide feet-first slide harder—I assume because they accelerate until closer to the base than the head-first sliders. Gong in head first causes the sliders to pull their punch a bit to avoid injury. "The old school players had it right the first time. Feet-first is better when you measure results with electric timing and take into account which body parts are injured most." True...studies have shown the time difference in getting to the base is minimal, but most attempted stolen base safe/out calls are very close...it is a game of inches. Regardless of timing, as I said, the baserunner has much more control over avoiding the tag and staying in contact with the bag when using a headfirst dive. A runner has very little control over where his foot will touch the bag and staying in contact with the bag when using a feet first slide. We've seen plenty of outs when a the runner has initially beat the throw but been called out after losing contact with the bag. We saw that recently on a play when KC baserunner Page easily beat the throw to 3B yet was called out when his lead foot went over the bag. |
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Post by ypaterson on Jun 20, 2024 13:55:57 GMT -5
Not so. An infielder/catcher cannot block the bag/plate until he has complete control of the thrown ball. Using a headfirst "dive" a baserunner has much more control over avoiding a tag by using maneuvers such as a swim move. He will also have much more control remaining in contact with the bag using a headfirst "dive", and will also reach the bag/plate quicker as confirmed with the application of simple physics... According to Washington State physicist David Peters, it's simple physics: As a runner slides headfirst, the body's center of gravity – and therefore its momentum– is thrust forwards. Slide feet first, and the body's center of gravity falls backwards, away from the base. "It's basic, fundamental angular momentum and Newton's laws applied to a body in motion being flung through the air," physicist Peters said. Fellow physicist Alan Nathan agreed, noting that it's easier for a runner's churning legs to generate force with head and arms leading, not trailing. It is an excellent baseball question. I found this: "But sliding involves many variables, and the available science is contradictory." "It’s not completely obvious you will always get there quicker one way or the other,” said Alan M. Nathan, a retired physicist at the University of Illinois who studies the physics of baseball. “My take from the experiments is that it’s so close, on average, it’s a wash.” and this: "In theory, head first ought to be faster, but it appears that those who slide feet-first slide harder—I assume because they accelerate until closer to the base than the head-first sliders. Gong in head first causes the sliders to pull their punch a bit to avoid injury. "The old school players had it right the first time. Feet-first is better when you measure results with electric timing and take into account which body parts are injured most." and this: "The main culprit is friction. When a player slides headfirst into their base, their abdomen, anterior thighs, knees, and chest are making contact with the ground. Meanwhile, a feet-first dive only involves the buttocks and posterior thighs. This means the feet-first slide maintains less surface area, which results in less friction. The reduced amount of friction provides baseball players with more speed. Therefore, a feet-first slide and a head-first slide are the same in terms of speed." It always surprises me how many scientists disagree with one another. Not having a strong background in science, I always thought that things were pretty standard and settled. When you start looking things up it gets different. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 20, 2024 13:59:03 GMT -5
McCutcheon... Why not do something now to protect the players and also maintain the integrity of the game? To me, it makes perfect sense to say, ‘You can’t block the base.’ That’s it. If the throw takes you there, OK, I get it. But you can’t intentionally camp out in the lane.” That, essentially, is what this guidance states. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 20, 2024 14:05:09 GMT -5
"The main culprit is friction. When a player slides headfirst into their base, their abdomen, anterior thighs, knees, and chest are making contact with the ground. Meanwhile, a feet-first dive only involves the buttocks and posterior thighs. From the article quoting physicists... Baseball players often don't learn the proper headfirst technique. Land too soon, and momentum will literally be lost in the dirt. "You're going to lose a lot of energy that way," said Nathan. "You've got to fly through the air without touching the ground." One study did find that headfirst sliders reached second base .02 seconds faster. Back-of-the-napkin calculations show that a runner traveling at 15 miles per hour would get an extra five inches from that .02 seconds – and in the legendary words of Branch Rickey, baseball is a game of inches. |
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Post by ypaterson on Jun 20, 2024 14:22:44 GMT -5
McCutcheon... Why not do something now to protect the players and also maintain the integrity of the game? To me, it makes perfect sense to say, ‘You can’t block the base.’ That’s it. If the throw takes you there, OK, I get it. But you can’t intentionally camp out in the lane.” That, essentially, is what this guidance states. I am fine if you want to change the rules but today it is still legal to "displace" a ball from a fielder's glove and that calls for the feet first slide. That is what McCutcheon is saying. |
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Post by ill636 on Jun 20, 2024 14:45:42 GMT -5
But is is clear that sliding head first give too much advantage to the infielder. Not so. An infielder/catcher cannot block the bag/plate until he has complete control of the thrown ball. Using a headfirst "dive" a baserunner has much more control over avoiding a tag by using maneuvers such as a swim move. He will also have much more control remaining in contact with the bag using a headfirst "dive", and will also reach the bag/plate quicker as confirmed with the application of simple physics...According to Washington State physicist David Peters, it's simple physics: As a runner slides headfirst, the body's center of gravity – and therefore its momentum– is thrust forwards. Slide feet first, and the body's center of gravity falls backwards, away from the base. "It's basic, fundamental angular momentum and Newton's laws applied to a body in motion being flung through the air," physicist Peters said. Fellow physicist Alan Nathan agreed, noting that it's easier for a runner's churning legs to generate force with head and arms leading, not trailing. |
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Post by inger on Jun 20, 2024 14:48:14 GMT -5
I liked to slide head first the most because I could see the base, the tag attempt, etc..
If I sensed a possible over throw situation I would go in feet first so I could pop up, but to be honest I was able to scramble to my feet pretty quickly on the head first slides, too…
It was sort of instinctual…
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