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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 15:20:08 GMT -5
The Yanks have a day off tomorrow to lick their wounds, then hit the road for 6 games.
First up is a bus ride across the East River to Citifield, to play a Mets team that has turned things around lately and has been scoring a lot of runs all of a sudden. Then they go to Toronto to play a 4-game series with the Jays, their last series in Toronto this year, and their first series against the Jays since April.
First up, the Mets.
The first game is 7:10 pm on Tuesday, Gerrit Cole makes his 2nd start of the season. He pitched four solid innings, but let the leadoff man get on in the 5th, and the bullpen allowed the inherited runner to score. The Yanks rallied late to tie the game, but the O's won it in 10 innings. Cole will look to get his pitchcount to about 80 in this start. David Peterson goes for the Mets. He's had an up-and-down career, but has been decent in his latest recall from AAA, going 3-0 with a 3.91 ERA.
The second game is also 7:10 pm on Wednesday, and the viewing options are both unpleasant. Either the Prime Delayed Video Maim of the Week, or the Mets crew on SNY. I'll take the later option and avoid the webcast delay; the Mets announcers are usually not bad. Luis Gil will try to make solid adjustments as the O's swing early on the fastball game plan left him with no usuable options, and they destroyed him for 8 runs in an inning and q third in a brutal 17-5 loss last Thursday. Even after that nuking, he's still 9-2 on the season with a 2.77 ERA. Sean Manaea goes for the Mets. He's been a cromulent 4th starter, going 4-3 with an ERA of 4.16. He's pitched some great games, including 6 innings of 1 run ball against the Phillies in May, and some bad ones, including two of his last 4 starts, but most of the time, he's been decent. In 9 of 14 starts this year, he's gone at least 5 innings and given up 0, 1, or 2 runs. He's a 5-and-fly guy at this point in his career, going 6 innings just 3 times, and not getting any further than that in any of his 14 starts. He's gone 5 innings or less in 9 of the 14 starts.
Series preview completed, I go to catch up on notifications.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 15:25:17 GMT -5
you're right. watched the the mlb.com replays. he was running on contact and already halfway to 3B. probably couldn't have gotten back to 2B. ball was there in time but from one of the angles doesn't look like riley actually tagged him. whatever, it couldn't have come at a worse time as it negated one of the few threats we had all game. Gotta go with Riz on this. One of those damned if you do...plays. Riley did catch him on the back. As I said, IMO a headfirst dive would've worked. All hindsight, of course. Seems right to me. And with Judge on deck and a 2 run deficit, losing the base isn't as important as it normally is. If he beats the play, he turns man on 2nd, one down into 1st and 3rd, nobody out for Judge. If he's thrown out, Judge is still the tying run at the plate. It's a risky play, because the Braves have good defenders pretty much all over the field, but even if it has just a 1 in 3 chance of working, it's probably worth it. The stat nuts figure the loss of the base there is worth about 1/4 to 1/3 of a run with the same number of outs, although the chance of scoring at least one run declines quite a bit. But the Yanks are down two there, and with Judge up, he can still tie the game. Or single, and bring up Verdugo as the go-ahead run with 1 out. The Braves are a very tough team, and that play was just one way of several in which they outplayed the Yanks today. Not by a ton, but by enough to win. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 15:30:42 GMT -5
Flies open, misses up and away with a 91 FB. Sinker at the knees is a 50-50 strike, not called, 2-0 That's about the 4th or 5th good break on strike calls for the Yanks, and it hasn't helped them. Cutter low in the middle 3-0 FB at the top with some cutting action into the middle of the zone, taken, 3-1 Change above the waist, outside corner, DJ sees FB and is early and on top, rolls it to Riley, easy play, throws him out. 3-0 count leads to nothing. Flies open?  Sorry I missed this during the game jeep. That doesn't mean his fly was open. "Flies open" refers to the pitcher being late with his arm in his delivery and his shoulder is late, leaving him in the "open position", meaning he's not in a position to finish a pitch properly. For a FB it means missing high, way to the arm side or both. For an offspeed pitch, it usually means a hanger, but maybe one too far out of the zone to matter. Of course, if you know this and are just having fun with it, Ok, but I probably use that expression about 5 times during my PBP in the thread. So...yet another long and probably unneccesary explanation by me comes to an end. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jun 23, 2024 15:32:51 GMT -5
Gotta go with Riz on this. One of those damned if you do...plays. Riley did catch him on the back. As I said, IMO a headfirst dive would've worked. All hindsight, of course. Seems right to me. And with Judge on deck and a 2 run deficit, losing the base isn't as important as it normally is. If he beats the play, he turns man on 2nd, one down into 1st and 3rd, nobody out for Judge. If he's thrown out, Judge is still the tying run at the plate. It's a risky play, because the Braves have good defenders pretty much all over the field, but even if it has just a 1 in 3 chance of working, it's probably worth it. The stat nuts figure the loss of the base there is worth about 1/4 to 1/3 of a run with the same number of outs, although the chance of scoring at least one run declines quite a bit. But the Yanks are down two there, and with Judge up, he can still tie the game. Or single, and bring up Verdugo as the go-ahead run with 1 out. The Braves are a very tough team, and that play was just one way of several in which they outplayed the Yanks today. Not by a ton, but by enough to win. Running on contact with Soto at the plate and Judge on deck when you're already in scoring position makes no sense at to me. It was a routine ground ball to short and the Braves took the easy out at third. Easy play really and of course Judge singled and the Yanks ended up losing a run. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 23, 2024 15:34:43 GMT -5
Gotta go with Riz on this. One of those damned if you do...plays. Riley did catch him on the back. As I said, IMO a headfirst dive would've worked. All hindsight, of course. Seems right to me. And with Judge on deck and a 2 run deficit, losing the base isn't as important as it normally is. If he beats the play, he turns man on 2nd, one down into 1st and 3rd, nobody out for Judge. If he's thrown out, Judge is still the tying run at the plate. It's a risky play, because the Braves have good defenders pretty much all over the field, but even if it has just a 1 in 3 chance of working, it's probably worth it. The stat nuts figure the loss of the base there is worth about 1/4 to 1/3 of a run with the same number of outs, although the chance of scoring at least one run declines quite a bit. But the Yanks are down two there, and with Judge up, he can still tie the game. Or single, and bring up Verdugo as the go-ahead run with 1 out. The Braves are a very tough team, and that play was just one way of several in which they outplayed the Yanks today. Not by a ton, but by enough to win. There's obviously smart baserunning and dumb baserunning...and then there's a play like that. I haven't watched a replay, but as I recall the ball was between Volpe and 2B..."behind" him. For all he knew the ball was headed into CF. And as has been pointed out here, Arcia had a clear lane to throw to Riley and he made a good throw. Too bad, so sad. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 15:38:12 GMT -5
These at bats are not poor. This is what Fried does to even good teams when he's on his game Outstanding control of 7 pitches and almost twice as many variations on those pitches. Hard to tell because they look like this against every pitcher lately Throw in Grisham's disgustingly bad at bats and Trevino's undisciplined at ABs and this is a pretty easy lineup to maneuver Can't argue with the rest of that. As Girardi noted, Fried usually has more trouble the 3rd time through the order, and the 3rd time trough today, the Yanks got to him for 3 hits and had the go-ahead run at the plate, but Verdugo hit a grounder in the wrong place for a rally-killing, and likely game-killinig, DP. J.D. Davis should help them a bit with their problem vs. lefties, he's a decent hitter against them, and not terrible when spotted correctly vs. righties. J.D. Martinez would be better, but as Steven Wright put it: You can't have everything; where would you put it? It's no coincidence that the Mets offense got a lot better when he came off the IL and when he got hot starting at the end of May. In his last 20 games, he's got 6 HR, 20 RBI, and is batting .320 with an OPS of 1.067. The Mets are 14-6 since then, scoring over 6 runs a game. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 15:47:36 GMT -5
Seems right to me. And with Judge on deck and a 2 run deficit, losing the base isn't as important as it normally is. If he beats the play, he turns man on 2nd, one down into 1st and 3rd, nobody out for Judge. If he's thrown out, Judge is still the tying run at the plate. It's a risky play, because the Braves have good defenders pretty much all over the field, but even if it has just a 1 in 3 chance of working, it's probably worth it. The stat nuts figure the loss of the base there is worth about 1/4 to 1/3 of a run with the same number of outs, although the chance of scoring at least one run declines quite a bit. But the Yanks are down two there, and with Judge up, he can still tie the game. Or single, and bring up Verdugo as the go-ahead run with 1 out. The Braves are a very tough team, and that play was just one way of several in which they outplayed the Yanks today. Not by a ton, but by enough to win. Running on contact with Soto at the plate and Judge on deck when you're already in scoring position makes no sense at to me. It was a routine ground ball to short and the Braves took the easy out at third. Easy play really and of course Judge singled and the Yanks ended up losing a run. Well, yeah, that's right most of the time. But a runner is sorta in scoring position for Judge even at 1st. I'm not saying the play wasn't risky; it was, especially against good, smart, defensive team. I'm just saying the cost is lower in that particular spot than it usually is, because of Judge's extreme power. A double can score Soto from 1st, and Judge leads the AL in doubles. A HR ties the game anyway, and he leads MLB in that too. Now if it's Trevino, Cabrera, DJ up next, then yeah, the play is foolish, because the loss of the base in that spot makes scoring a run much more difficult. Having listened to Volpe's post-game intervies, I'm pretty sure these considerations did not enter Volpe's mind, he just instinctively went, thinking his elite speed would win the play, and it didn't work. All I'm saying is that in that particular situation, the loss of the base wasn't all that damaging, unless maybe for giving the Braves momentum. Judge changed the momentum with his single, and fallacy of the pre-determined outcome and all that, Arcia would be playing further toward 3rd for Judge if Volpe is at 2nd (because Judge pulls most grounders and goes to center and right mostly on balls in the air) and not Soto at 1st, and maybe is right there for the 102.6 hard groundball single in the 56 hole that Judge followed with. And then Verdugo killed all momentum by grounding it into the shift near 2nd for an easy 6-6-3 DP. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 15:56:16 GMT -5
Seems right to me. And with Judge on deck and a 2 run deficit, losing the base isn't as important as it normally is. If he beats the play, he turns man on 2nd, one down into 1st and 3rd, nobody out for Judge. If he's thrown out, Judge is still the tying run at the plate. It's a risky play, because the Braves have good defenders pretty much all over the field, but even if it has just a 1 in 3 chance of working, it's probably worth it. The stat nuts figure the loss of the base there is worth about 1/4 to 1/3 of a run with the same number of outs, although the chance of scoring at least one run declines quite a bit. But the Yanks are down two there, and with Judge up, he can still tie the game. Or single, and bring up Verdugo as the go-ahead run with 1 out. The Braves are a very tough team, and that play was just one way of several in which they outplayed the Yanks today. Not by a ton, but by enough to win. There's obviously smart baserunning and dumb baserunning...and then there's a play like that. I haven't watched a replay, but as I recall the ball was between Volpe and 2B..."behind" him. For all he knew the ball was headed into CF. And as has been pointed out here, Arcia had a clear lane to throw to Riley and he made a good throw. Too bad, so sad. I've watched the video 2-3 times now and your memory is correct. the ball is hit just behind where Volpe's bouncing well off 2nd to the left side of the bag, and he sees where it is and goes right away, Arcia was positioned deep on Soto as he should be, and therefore, will have a clear throwing lane. I don't think Arcia's throwing lane figured into Volpe's decision either, and maybe it should have, but the ball was slightly behind Volpe off the bat and passing by Fried on the left side of the mound. By the time it reaches Arcia, who's moved in a couple of steps by now, Volpe is halfway to 3rd, but that's more than enought time for Arcia to get it to Riley ahead of him. He had a clear throwing lane, and Riley is a good thirdbaseman, so enough time to get it there, for Riley to catch in front of 3rd and turn and get the tag down in time. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 16:00:34 GMT -5
Braves' bullpen is 2nd in the NL in ERA, WHIP and K/BB ratio. Remember when the Yanks BP was number 1 !!!! Good times...good times. But I also remember thinking before the season that their pen was weak (and said so when giving my pre-season take on this team), made more so by the arms they had to give up to get Soto. They need Effross back and they need as least one gasser reliever, preferably a lefty. They might need two hard-throwing relievers, one from each side, unless Blake can get Ferguson, Marinaccio and Kahnle squared away for reliably good relieving on a regular basis |
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Post by azbob643 on Jun 23, 2024 16:01:27 GMT -5
There's obviously smart baserunning and dumb baserunning...and then there's a play like that. I haven't watched a replay, but as I recall the ball was between Volpe and 2B..."behind" him. For all he knew the ball was headed into CF. And as has been pointed out here, Arcia had a clear lane to throw to Riley and he made a good throw. Too bad, so sad. I've watched the video 2-3 times now and your memory is correct. the ball is hit just behind where Volpe's bouncing well off 2nd to the left side of the bag, and he sees where it is and goes right away, Arcia was positioned deep on Soto as he should be, and therefore, will have a clear throwing lane. I don't think Arcia's throwing lane figured into Volpe's decision either, and maybe it should have, but the ball was slightly behind Volpe off the bat and passing by Fried on the left side of the mound. By the time it reaches Arcia, who's moved in a couple of steps by now, Volpe is halfway to 3rd, but that's more than enought time for Arcia to get it to Riley ahead of him. He had a clear throwing lane, and Riley is a good thirdbaseman, so enough time to get it there, for Riley to catch in front of 3rd and turn and get the tag down in time. Play could've gone either way. Sometimes you gotta take a chance and force the issue. Had he been safe we'd be talking about how aggressive baserunning paid off. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 16:02:54 GMT -5
It's whether he blocks the base without the ball, not if he blocks it before the tag. I think he's out no matter what. Pierce Johnson in for the Braves. Torres takes a curve outside, then misses a curve inside middle, pops it near home, caught by Murphy in foul territory, 1 down. I suppose I should have broken the sentence into two. I thought the Yankees had a better chance challenging that the fielder was in Volpe's baseline rather than that Volpe was safe, which was obvious to me that he was not. I was simply indicating when the contact was made with Volpe's foot during the play, right before the tag, simply in term of chronology. If Boone is correct then the replay on the challenge is moot. After the game, he said he was challenging the tag, and that challenging blocking the base for obsturction isn't permitted under the challenge rules. But I could swear the Yanks did just that a couple of weeks ago. Maybe I'm mistaken. |
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Post by Max on Jun 23, 2024 16:03:59 GMT -5
A favorite of mine. I used to imitate his high-stepping when I was running as a little kid. I apologize if I have mentioned this before. I don't know what the speed numbers say, but Sanders is the fastest player that I have ever seen on a MLB field. He was on 1B and I was in awe how fast he made it to home-plate on a hit to the right-center-field gap. Awe is not a word that I use often. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 16:04:05 GMT -5
I've watched the video 2-3 times now and your memory is correct. the ball is hit just behind where Volpe's bouncing well off 2nd to the left side of the bag, and he sees where it is and goes right away, Arcia was positioned deep on Soto as he should be, and therefore, will have a clear throwing lane. I don't think Arcia's throwing lane figured into Volpe's decision either, and maybe it should have, but the ball was slightly behind Volpe off the bat and passing by Fried on the left side of the mound. By the time it reaches Arcia, who's moved in a couple of steps by now, Volpe is halfway to 3rd, but that's more than enought time for Arcia to get it to Riley ahead of him. He had a clear throwing lane, and Riley is a good thirdbaseman, so enough time to get it there, for Riley to catch in front of 3rd and turn and get the tag down in time. Play could've gone either way. Sometimes you gotta take a chance and force the issue. Had he been safe we'd be talking about how aggressive baserunning paid off. Yep. Would've built up big momentum for the team and 1st and 3rd, nobody out for Judge is a helluva lot better than man on 2nd with 1 out. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 16:09:54 GMT -5
A favorite of mine. I used to imitate his high-stepping when I was running as a little kid. I apologize if I have mentioned this before. I don't know what the speed numbers say, but Sanders is the fastest player that I have ever seen on a MLB field. He was on 1B and I was in awe how fast he made it to home-plate on a hit to the right-center-field gap. Awe is not a word that I use often. World-class sprinter, great cornerback, explosive kick returner. Stole a lot of bases but got thrown out a bit too much, and used his extreme speed well in the field, once he mastered reading the ball off the bat. Hitting? Not so much, though he put up decent numbers from 1992 through 1995 in his half to 2/3 of season, before football season started.. If he had never played football and focused on baseball from a young age, he might have been another Kenny Lofton. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jun 23, 2024 16:11:18 GMT -5
I suppose I should have broken the sentence into two. I thought the Yankees had a better chance challenging that the fielder was in Volpe's baseline rather than that Volpe was safe, which was obvious to me that he was not. I was simply indicating when the contact was made with Volpe's foot during the play, right before the tag, simply in term of chronology. Obstruction is not reviewable...which I find odd because the home plate collision rule (which is basically spicy obstruction) is reviewable. There is a clear case for obstruction on the play. While the fielder is allowed to block the bag with the ball and he's also allowed to move into the runner's path to field the ball, it's the initial position of the fielder that is important. The fielder had his foot in front of the bag without the ball and it impeded Volpe's ability to slide and indeed altered his slide. This should have been called obstruction based on the MLB 2024 umpire's point of emphasis letter distributed to teams prior to the season. Thanks for clearing that ump. I mean clearing that, ump. I mean clearing that up. Thanks, nw.  |
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