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Post by Cult of Ken Clay on Jul 5, 2024 12:59:29 GMT -5
That sweep against the Astros, who are surging, seems like a million years ago.
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Post by Max on Jul 5, 2024 13:10:13 GMT -5
That sweep against the Astros, who are surging, seems like a million years ago. Hader starting pitching like he used to pitch and Bregman started hitting. Sometimes that's all it takes is for a couple of guys to break out of their slumps. Like to see Torres and DJ do the same. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 5, 2024 13:16:01 GMT -5
Please define crap for me.
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Post by inger on Jul 5, 2024 13:22:05 GMT -5
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I have said that Rice should play everyday. But I'm also starting to think that Wells should also play everyday.The Yankees also have to strengthen their bench. He won't play everyday but promoting Jorbit Vivas would improve the Yankees bench.
It would also allow me to yell "JORBIT!!!" when he hits a HR, like the church choir yelled "NORBIT!" did in the movie "Norbit".  Agree 100% with Rice and Wells, but I think Vivas should play everyday or close to it ... We need to know if he is the heir to 2nd base ... Dj can play occasionally at 1st, 2nd or 3rd vs LP. Cabrera and Trevino should be packaged for a Pitching. You could do that, but you’re not exactly gonna get Cy Young back… |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 5, 2024 13:26:14 GMT -5
What do you think happens to Rice when Rizzo returns? Rice plays 1B, Rizzo DHs unless Stanton is off the IL. If Stanton is off the IL, if it was up to me Boone should make Rice the starting Catcher. That's how much I like Rice. But the Yankees don't care how much I like Rice, so unless a trade is made Rice most likely will be sent to Triple A. The latter scenario in my opinion stinks on ice. Certainly out of the box thinking but I don't think Rice gets moved to C. Wells has been better defensively than advertised and he seems to be starting to hit a little bit. I don't think the Yankees move on from him nor do I think they want two left handed hitting catchers. Rice hasn't been a good defensive C in the minors and I believe his move to 1B will be long term. I've heard Ramirez talked up a lot in the minors as a potential C option soon but he's another good hitting poor defensive C. Is it possible that Wells has become our best defensive catching option? |
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Post by inger on Jul 5, 2024 15:48:56 GMT -5
Rice plays 1B, Rizzo DHs unless Stanton is off the IL. If Stanton is off the IL, if it was up to me Boone should make Rice the starting Catcher. That's how much I like Rice. But the Yankees don't care how much I like Rice, so unless a trade is made Rice most likely will be sent to Triple A. The latter scenario in my opinion stinks on ice. Certainly out of the box thinking but I don't think Rice gets moved to C. Wells has been better defensively than advertised and he seems to be starting to hit a little bit. I don't think the Yankees move on from him nor do I think they want two left handed hitting catchers. Rice hasn't been a good defensive C in the minors and I believe his move to 1B will be long term. I've heard Ramirez talked up a lot in the minors as a potential C option soon but he's another good hitting poor defensive C. Is it possible that Wells has become our best defensive catching option? I think he’s the man, and I look for that BA to continue its slow climb, and the pop to start to show up soon. Rice will be a handy emergency option at catcher… but no more than that… |
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Post by nw on Jul 7, 2024 15:33:40 GMT -5
The Yankees are on the verge of going 5-14 in their last 19 games. How bad does it have to get before firing someone is a legit possibility? What good would the Yankees firing anyone do?
The Yankees are in a slump. Players aren't putting up stats that match the back of their baseball cards. Changing managers or general manager isn't going to change that.
You don't think a change on the bench can contribute to player productivity? There are literally hundreds of examples in baseball history and history of sports. Just look at what the Oilers did before and after they hired Knoblauch. Managers have different styles. "Hard ass" managers lose their clubhouse after a period of time. "Players managers" become too close to their players, the players get comfortable, and the manager lets personal relationships affect decisions on the field. Change is necessary and it's very rare you find a coach or manager that has lasting success in any sport. I'm not saying that 5-14 is the time to do it. I'm not (yet) saying Boone is the one who should go. I've never liked Boone as a manager but realized that a players' manager was probably the right choice after Girardi. I just don't think that, for years now, the Yankees have gotten the most out of their players (specifically on the hitting side). |
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Post by nw on Jul 7, 2024 15:43:49 GMT -5
The last 20 games are a reminder of last season to a great extent. Only difference is we have Judge and Soto as opposed to just Judge last year. Rest of lineup is not good. Many bad hitters who don't hit for average and chase balls outside the zone. Torres, DJL have been huge disappointments. Not getting much out of catcher as Trevino looks like 2023 version not 2022. Bench is useless. Jones and Grishom can't hit and now we are seeing them in the lineup more often due to injuries. You can guarantee that when Stanton comes back it will take him a month to get acclimated again. Happened last year where he spent weeks off balance and swinging at balls in the dirt after he came back from being injured and Rizzo wasn't really doing anything when he got hurt so not sure he adds anything upon returning. And I haven't even discussed the bull pen which is a mess. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I have said that Rice should play everyday. But I'm also starting to think that Wells should also play everyday.The Yankees also have to strengthen their bench. He won't play everyday but promoting Jorbit Vivas would improve the Yankees bench.
It would also allow me to yell "JORBIT!!!" when he hits a HR, like the church choir yelled "NORBIT!" did in the movie "Norbit". It will be interesting to see what would/will happen with Rice playing every day. I've seen people say "remember Greg Bird" but what people don't remember about Bird while he was hitting his HRs is that he was striking out nearly 30% of the time. He had holes in his swing and yes, when he made contact, his barrel rate was outstanding. Rice hasn't shown that so far, striking out well below the league average and demonstrating some knowledge of the strike zone. One thing that is concerning about Rice is that he has a terrible LHP split in an admittedly small sample size. His K rate is over 30% and he's only 2 for 15. That being said, Paul O'Neill was labeled as a platoon guy until the Yankees gave him regular ABs versus LHP. At this point, I'd rather see what we have in Rice and let J.D. Davis rot on the bench. I also agree with you on Vivas and I just posted something similar in today's game thread. They can 15 day DL Torres retroactive to Friday and give his groin time to heal and have an option off the bench in Vivas. Vivas is already rule 5 eligible, so they have to keep him on the 40 man at season's end. You might as well give him 10 games or so at 2B while Torres heals and see what he can do. You can use Oswaldo/DJ at third and use DJ or (gag) Davis at first to spell Rice against tougher LHP. If Rice can be an every day guy, it really gives the Yankees another piece of flexibility now and in the future. If you have Rice in the lineup, it gives you flexibility to make a change at catcher in a game without having to worry about "what happens if something happens" because you have catching insurance at 1B. |
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Post by Max on Jul 8, 2024 11:18:34 GMT -5
What good would the Yankees firing anyone do?
The Yankees are in a slump. Players aren't putting up stats that match the back of their baseball cards. Changing managers or general manager isn't going to change that.
You don't think a change on the bench can contribute to player productivity? There are literally hundreds of examples in baseball history and history of sports. Just look at what the Oilers did before and after they hired Knoblauch. Managers have different styles. "Hard ass" managers lose their clubhouse after a period of time. "Players managers" become too close to their players, the players get comfortable, and the manager lets personal relationships affect decisions on the field. Change is necessary and it's very rare you find a coach or manager that has lasting success in any sport. I'm not saying that 5-14 is the time to do it. I'm not (yet) saying Boone is the one who should go. I've never liked Boone as a manager but realized that a players' manager was probably the right choice after Girardi. I just don't think that, for years now, the Yankees have gotten the most out of their players (specifically on the hitting side). To answer your question, at certain times a team needs to change managers/coaches. Sometimes it helps player productivity, other times it doesn't. Yes, there are literally 100s of examples in baseball history, history of sports when it helped, but also literally 100s of examples in baseball history, history of sports when it didn't help. I look at what the Oilers did, on the other side of the coin the NY Islanders haven't been the same since they fired Trotz. So much so that they made another coaching change.
I know about managers and different styles of managing, etc.
I wasn't talking about the history of managerial/coaching changes, nor styles of managing/coaching, etc.
That quote that your replied to was about the 2024 NY Yankees. Injuries have hurt them, injuries happen no matter who the manager may be. Bad breaks also happen no matter who the manager is. Unless the 2024 Yankees can put together games where they get both good pitching and good hitting, fix some flaws on their roster, it doesn't matter if their manager's name is Boone, Martin, or McCarthy.
Last I checked, the manager that's managing the 2024 Yankees during their 5-15 slump, is the same manager that the Yankees had when they were playing .700 baseball.
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