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Post by inger on Jul 9, 2024 14:55:52 GMT -5
Soto is on his third team and the other two teams that had him let him go due to fears of his price tag. He’s almost destined to land in LA, where the money flows like water… Could be, but if I were betting i'd go with the Mets. That could be, too. If Hal doesn’t wake up the Mets are gonna own NY. I wish they’d sell if they don’t want to spend… |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 9, 2024 15:26:01 GMT -5
Soto is on his third team and the other two teams that had him let him go due to fears of his price tag. He’s almost destined to land in LA, where the money flows like water… Could be, but if I were betting i'd go with the Mets. I'd bet more Mets than any west coast team, although I still think he ends up back with the Yanks. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 9, 2024 15:48:09 GMT -5
Could be, but if I were betting i'd go with the Mets. That could be, too. If Hal doesn’t wake up the Mets are gonna own NY. I wish they’d sell if they don’t want to spend… With a $300mm+ payroll, I don't think it's a matter of spending but spending more wisely. |
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Post by yanksfan9 on Jul 9, 2024 15:53:48 GMT -5
Soto is on his third team and the other two teams that had him let him go due to fears of his price tag. He’s almost destined to land in LA, where the money flows like water… Aren't the Yankees still the richest team in Baseball? Hal has said the payroll is "not sustainable" as it is so not sure how you can keep Soto with that statement. |
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Post by inger on Jul 9, 2024 17:18:22 GMT -5
Soto is on his third team and the other two teams that had him let him go due to fears of his price tag. He’s almost destined to land in LA, where the money flows like water… Aren't the Yankees still the richest team in Baseball? Hal has said the payroll is "not sustainable" as it is so not sure how you can keep Soto with that statement. Interpret: This payroll is not sustainable under the terms that our family likes because we want to take more money for ourselves… |
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Post by yanksfan9 on Jul 10, 2024 9:10:33 GMT -5
Aren't the Yankees still the richest team in Baseball? Hal has said the payroll is "not sustainable" as it is so not sure how you can keep Soto with that statement. Interpret: This payroll is not sustainable under the terms that our family likes because we want to take more money for ourselves… Dad would be rolling in his grave. It will be fun to watch them get beat by the last-place Rays again tonight. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 10, 2024 9:33:08 GMT -5
Aren't the Yankees still the richest team in Baseball? Hal has said the payroll is "not sustainable" as it is so not sure how you can keep Soto with that statement. Interpret: This payroll is not sustainable under the terms that our family likes because we want to take more money for ourselves… He's overlooking all the revenue lost by not advancing deep into the post season. A lot of Yankee fans buy and wear those World Series shirts and hats that go on sale right after October success, and then you all the revenue from playing home games in the post season too. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 10, 2024 9:49:03 GMT -5
I think even fans who feel the Yankees should be spending more can understand Hal's frustration with his return. What frustrates me is that Cash keeps making the same mistakes, signing aging veterans to big contracts and somehow expecting different results. DJL, Rodon, Stanton and Rizzo are making almost $92mm this season. Their combined WAR is 0.1.
My biggest frustration is that Hal doesn't hold Cashman accountable. He gives him a vote of confidence and allows him to make the same mistakes over and over. I honestly don't believe that Cash is even an average GM, I think he is among the worst in baseball.
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Post by Max on Jul 10, 2024 12:17:18 GMT -5
Could be, but if I were betting i'd go with the Mets. That could be, too. If Hal doesn’t wake up the Mets are gonna own NY. I wish they’d sell if they don’t want to spend… In my opinion, there's too much Yankees history in NY for the Mets to ever own NY. |
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Post by bumper on Jul 10, 2024 12:20:01 GMT -5
I think even fans who feel the Yankees should be spending more can understand Hal's frustration with his return. What frustrates me is that Cash keeps making the same mistakes, signing aging veterans to big contracts and somehow expecting different results. DJL, Rodon, Stanton and Rizzo are making almost $92mm this season. Their combined WAR is 0.1. My biggest frustration is that Hal doesn't hold Cashman accountable. He gives him a vote of confidence and allows him to make the same mistakes over and over. I honestly don't believe that Cash is even an average GM, I think he is among the worst in baseball. don't "hate" cashman but think his time has long passed. agree w the accountability but hal did go along w all those signings. in cash hal trusts.
clearly all those signings in hindsight have ultimately been failures. but at the time ...
DJ age 32 no real injury history coming off a batting title and league leading OPS including 3rd & 4th mvp. remember quite a bit of discussion at yes. newinn was against but the general consensus was sign. maybe too many years but 15 mil for a 2-time batting champ seemed "reasonable".
rodon age 30 but w an injury history. needed SP and he was probably the best one available. coming off 5th & 6th CY, 2.67 ERA averaging over 12K/9. yay or nay at the time?
rizzo 32 no injury history. seemed to be declining but hit 32 HR 1st season. the concussion was an unforeseen injury during a very good season.
stanton 28 w some injuries but coming off mvp 59 HRs. thought we needed SP and/or wait for the LH harper but the idea of teaming w judge was i guess "seductive". "understood" why they did it. but who knew. this has by far turned into the worst move the team ever made. crippling.
my fantasy has always been younger, more athletic, home grown players. of course there was the core 5. and it looked like there was a crop 7-8 years ago. hopefully we have one on the way.
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Post by Max on Jul 10, 2024 12:28:13 GMT -5
I think even fans who feel the Yankees should be spending more can understand Hal's frustration with his return. What frustrates me is that Cash keeps making the same mistakes, signing aging veterans to big contracts and somehow expecting different results. DJL, Rodon, Stanton and Rizzo are making almost $92mm this season. Their combined WAR is 0.1. My biggest frustration is that Hal doesn't hold Cashman accountable. He gives him a vote of confidence and allows him to make the same mistakes over and over. I honestly don't believe that Cash is even an average GM, I think he is among the worst in baseball. don't "hate" cashman but think his time has long passed. agree w the accountability but hal did go along w all those signings. in cash hal trusts.
clearly all those signings in hindsight have ultimately been failures. but at the time ...
DJ age 32 no real injury history coming off a batting title and league leading OPS including 3rd & 4th mvp. remember quite a bit of discussion at yes. newinn was against but the general consensus was sign. maybe too many years but 15 mil for a 2-time batting champ seemed "reasonable".
rodon age 30 but w an injury history. needed SP and he was probably the best one available. coming off 5th & 6th CY, 2.67 ERA averaging over 12K/9. yay or nay at the time?
rizzo 32 no injury history. seemed to be declining but hit 32 HR 1st season. the concussion was an unforeseen injury during a very good season.
stanton 28 w some injuries but coming off mvp 59 HRs. thought we needed SP and/or wait for the LH harper but the idea of teaming w judge was i guess "seductive". "understood" why they did it. but who knew. this has by far turned into the worst move the team ever made. crippling.
my fantasy has always been younger, more athletic, home grown players. of course there was the core 5. and it looked like there was a crop 7-8 years ago. hopefully we have one on the way.
Cashman also drafted Judge, Volpe, got Torres for nothing after he signed Chapman. He got Gio for basically nothing, same for platinum glove Trevino. Traded for Soto, didn't trade much for Taillon and Holmes. Signed Cole. Cashman also added key players to the 90's dynasty teams. So far his trade for Gil looks extremely one sided in the Yankees favor. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 10, 2024 12:42:15 GMT -5
I think even fans who feel the Yankees should be spending more can understand Hal's frustration with his return. What frustrates me is that Cash keeps making the same mistakes, signing aging veterans to big contracts and somehow expecting different results. DJL, Rodon, Stanton and Rizzo are making almost $92mm this season. Their combined WAR is 0.1. My biggest frustration is that Hal doesn't hold Cashman accountable. He gives him a vote of confidence and allows him to make the same mistakes over and over. I honestly don't believe that Cash is even an average GM, I think he is among the worst in baseball. don't "hate" cashman but think his time has long passed. agree w the accountability but hal did go along w all those signings. in cash hal trusts.
clearly all those signings in hindsight have ultimately been failures. but at the time ...
DJ age 32 no real injury history coming off a batting title and league leading OPS including 3rd & 4th mvp. remember quite a bit of discussion at yes. newinn was against but the general consensus was sign. maybe too many years but 15 mil for a 2-time batting champ seemed "reasonable".
rodon age 30 but w an injury history. needed SP and he was probably the best one available. coming off 5th & 6th CY, 2.67 ERA averaging over 12K/9. yay or nay at the time?
rizzo 32 no injury history. seemed to be declining but hit 32 HR 1st season. the concussion was an unforeseen injury during a very good season.
stanton 28 w some injuries but coming off mvp 59 HRs. thought we needed SP and/or wait for the LH harper but the idea of teaming w judge was i guess "seductive". "understood" why they did it. but who knew. this has by far turned into the worst move the team ever made. crippling.
my fantasy has always been younger, more athletic, home grown players. of course there was the core 5. and it looked like there was a crop 7-8 years ago. hopefully we have one on the way.
OK, let me restate, he has a habit of buying high and overpays for backend years. He also doesn't have backup plans for when players regress or get injured.He also stubbornly holds on to them even when they no longer produce. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 10, 2024 13:04:26 GMT -5
don't "hate" cashman but think his time has long passed. agree w the accountability but hal did go along w all those signings. in cash hal trusts.
clearly all those signings in hindsight have ultimately been failures. but at the time ...
DJ age 32 no real injury history coming off a batting title and league leading OPS including 3rd & 4th mvp. remember quite a bit of discussion at yes. newinn was against but the general consensus was sign. maybe too many years but 15 mil for a 2-time batting champ seemed "reasonable".
rodon age 30 but w an injury history. needed SP and he was probably the best one available. coming off 5th & 6th CY, 2.67 ERA averaging over 12K/9. yay or nay at the time?
rizzo 32 no injury history. seemed to be declining but hit 32 HR 1st season. the concussion was an unforeseen injury during a very good season.
stanton 28 w some injuries but coming off mvp 59 HRs. thought we needed SP and/or wait for the LH harper but the idea of teaming w judge was i guess "seductive". "understood" why they did it. but who knew. this has by far turned into the worst move the team ever made. crippling.
my fantasy has always been younger, more athletic, home grown players. of course there was the core 5. and it looked like there was a crop 7-8 years ago. hopefully we have one on the way.
Cashman also drafted Judge, Volpe, got Torres for nothing after he signed Chapman. He got Gio for basically nothing, same for platinum glove Trevino. Traded for Soto, didn't trade much for Taillon and Holmes. Signed Cole. Cashman also added key players to the 90's dynasty teams. So far his trade for Gil looks extremely one sided in the Yankees favor. With the amount of transactions he has made he has to have some success. Volpe is far from a sure thing. I hope he becomes a consistent MLB hitter and while he has a chance his floor is probably a very good defensive SS. Would it surprise me that in 2 or 3 years we are looking for an upgrade, no it wouldn't. He has a chance to be good but he is far from being a consistent major league hitter at this point. Don't want to seem overly critical of him because he does a lot of good things but he hasn't hit consisently and wasn't an effective OB leadoff hitter. How many long term pieces has Cash developed from our prospect pool since Judge? Torres has been a good player but it doesn't look like he factors into our long range plans. Trevino had 1/2 of a good season and since then he has looked like a backup with a very weak arm. Soto is a rental who he bet on putting us over the top, let's see how it works out before we put it in the win column. Taillon didn't move the needle and also didn't fit into our long term plans, another guy who was inconsistent and injury prone. Everyone and I mean everyone who follows the Yankees agrees we need to upgrade from Holmes who is wildly inconsistent. These are his successes? Maybe Cash "wins" some trades but it's not like these wins have significantly contributed to long term success. They typically make us marginally better usually for a very short time frame and then we have to replug the hole. How about acquiring or developing some young players who fill long term needs? His fails have had a bigger impact on this team than his wins. And he only spent $300mm putting this mess of a roster together. If he had this track record with any other MLB Team he would have already been kicked to the curb. |
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Post by Max on Jul 10, 2024 13:35:45 GMT -5
Cashman also drafted Judge, Volpe, got Torres for nothing after he signed Chapman. He got Gio for basically nothing, same for platinum glove Trevino. Traded for Soto, didn't trade much for Taillon and Holmes. Signed Cole. Cashman also added key players to the 90's dynasty teams. So far his trade for Gil looks extremely one sided in the Yankees favor. With the amount of transactions he has made he has to have some success. Volpe is far from a sure thing. I hope he becomes a consistent MLB hitter and while he has a chance his floor is probably a very good defensive SS. Would it surprise me that in 2 or 3 years we are looking for an upgrade, no it wouldn't. He has a chance to be good but he is far from being a consistent major league hitter at this point. Don't want to seem overly critical of him because he does a lot of good things but he hasn't hit consisently and wasn't an effective OB leadoff hitter. How many long term pieces has Cash developed from our prospect pool since Judge? Torres has been a good player but it doesn't look like he factors into our long range plans. Trevino had 1/2 of a good season and since then he has looked like a backup with a very weak arm. Soto is a rental who he bet on putting us over the top, let's see how it works out before we put it in the win column. Taillon didn't move the needle and also didn't fit into our long term plans, another guy who was inconsistent and injury prone. Everyone and I mean everyone who follows the Yankees agrees we need to upgrade from Holmes who is wildly inconsistent. These are his successes? Maybe Cash "wins" some trades but it's not like these wins have significantly contributed to long term success. They typically make us marginally better usually for a very short time frame and then we have to replug the hole. How about acquiring or developing some young players who fill long term needs? His fails have had a bigger impact on this team than his wins. And he only spent $300mm putting this mess of a roster together. If he had this track record with any other MLB Team he would have already been kicked to the curb. Well, Torres was a big part of the Yankees plans, and mostly did well, especially when Judge got hurt last season. It's too early to say how good he will be, but Volpe is a sure thing when it comes to being a MLB player.
The Yankees needed a starter, Taillon didn't move the needle but he helped. Holmes is inconsistent and I think he's a better 8th inning pitcher, but those were still successful trades. Severino was a good prospect, so was Kahnle, Robertson, Gardner, Kennedy, Betances, Nestor. Also, Cashman's prospect pool allowed the Yankees to trade for Didi, Soto, Holmes, Gil. Gil has come into his own as a Yankee prospect.
You also don't know if Soto is a rental. Even if he is, his money can be used to acquire other players. That trade is a win regardless. I didn't see anyone question that trade as a win when the Yankees were playing .700 baseball.
Cashman has a 300 million dollar payroll, because he has good players on his team. His track record has been world series championships, along with a postseason team just about every season. He also tries to improve the Yankees while not having to totally rebuild his team.. I don't care how many transactions he's made, his successes outweigh his failures.
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Post by bumper on Jul 10, 2024 13:39:58 GMT -5
don't "hate" cashman but think his time has long passed. agree w the accountability but hal did go along w all those signings. in cash hal trusts.
clearly all those signings in hindsight have ultimately been failures. but at the time ...
DJ age 32 no real injury history coming off a batting title and league leading OPS including 3rd & 4th mvp. remember quite a bit of discussion at yes. newinn was against but the general consensus was sign. maybe too many years but 15 mil for a 2-time batting champ seemed "reasonable".
rodon age 30 but w an injury history. needed SP and he was probably the best one available. coming off 5th & 6th CY, 2.67 ERA averaging over 12K/9. yay or nay at the time?
rizzo 32 no injury history. seemed to be declining but hit 32 HR 1st season. the concussion was an unforeseen injury during a very good season.
stanton 28 w some injuries but coming off mvp 59 HRs. thought we needed SP and/or wait for the LH harper but the idea of teaming w judge was i guess "seductive". "understood" why they did it. but who knew. this has by far turned into the worst move the team ever made. crippling.
my fantasy has always been younger, more athletic, home grown players. of course there was the core 5. and it looked like there was a crop 7-8 years ago. hopefully we have one on the way.
OK, let me restate, he has a habit of buying high and overpays for backend years. He also doesn't have backup plans for when players regress or get injured.He also stubbornly holds on to them even when they no longer produce. that's what happens when you sign established veteran players which is a partly consequence of a very demanding fan base who expects us to get the "best" players, money be damned. sign this guy, trade for that guy and when it doesn't work, dump them like yesterday' trash. the fans would never accept ray's model. don't have the patience. they want instant gratification. really damned if you do. damned if you don't.
and what do you do w players who regress or injured. you're usually on the hook for big bux so u try to squeeze whatever you can out of them.
and yeah depth has been a continuing problem but again that's a consequence of having such a top heavy payroll. gotta make up for it somewhere. and hal is just as complicit trying to continue his father's legacy and dealing w fan expectations.
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