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Post by Max on Jul 14, 2024 15:05:37 GMT -5
I will say it again, in my opinion, he's a much better pitcher when he's pitching the 7th or 8th innings. He just can't make up for his mistakes by striking guys out like other relievers do. That's why I think the Yankees should promote Neely. Between Double A and Triple A, Neely has pitched 38 innings and has 59 strikeouts. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 14, 2024 15:14:21 GMT -5
It's a plan but I just don't think it is one we will follow. Effross has had a few opportunities to close games and he has struggled. I don't see him as a closer. I'm hoping he can be an effective setup man, that is where he has been good but considering all the time he has missed it's not a sure thing. Neely appears to have closer stuff, but I have a hard time believing we will put a young untested guy into the closer role during the stretch drive. I'd bring him up and give him some innings to see how his stuff works at the MLB level but I'd be shocked if he closes games. I think we still need a proven closer because I think Holmes is becoming a headcase. Cash will be making calls, it's simply a matter if the right deal is there. At this stage of the game plan B might be Weaver. In my opinion, the Yankees either let Neely or Effross close games or the Yankees are going to overpay for a Closer like Mason Miller. The Yankees standing pat and keeping Holmes as their Closer in my opinion makes no sense. Weeks ago I thought for a moment that Holmes' control issues were past him. The Yankees obviously have to know they are super super fortunate to be where they are at. They should be like at least 6 games back by now but other than the reds series they were at least able to win at least 1 of 3 each time and the orioles lost a lot. So they sit one game back of the division instead after all this. Getting someone with closer experience I think is a must. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 14, 2024 15:38:00 GMT -5
Effross sounds pretty close Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Effross will definitely be in the pen when he's ready. Neely has only pitched half a dozen games at the AAA level and isn't on the 40 man, so I would imagine he's on the radar but he's a little blip on the corner of the radar. Neely would be rule 5 eligible after this season, so he has that going for him. I would think the Yankees would promote Gomez and see if his stuff plays up in short relief before you'd see Neely. The Yankees will be in a 40 man roster crunch soon. Effross can get his spot back by transferring Schmidt to the 60 day DL. Ian Hamilton will likely be back before 60 days, so they probably won't transfer him (60 days for him would be August 16). Theoretically, by the end of the month, you could have Effross and Hamilton back, which betters the bullpen without a move. If they both come back on August 1, here's your pen: Holmes Weaver Effross Hamilton Kahnle Hill Tonkin Ferguson/Cousins (Ferguson probably gets the nod because he uses the left hand, though Cousins has pitched better. Both would have to be DFA'd and pass waivers if they dropped them.) The big reason the Yankees are in the roster crunch they are is that they have 5 catchers, all of which have potential. Trevino, Wells, and Rice obviously have roster spots. Narvaez has hit better than expected at AAA and he's the best defensive catcher. Ramirez hasn't started hitting yet at AAA but there's no reason to believe he won't and he's too young to waive. Intersting stuff, nw. I'm a bit worried that Effross won't get his command at the big league level this season after TJ surgery. As his game is all movment and very low velocity, he needs command to be effective. The BB numbers are good in his rehab, but he's giving up more than a hit an inning. That's worrying, too. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 14, 2024 15:40:06 GMT -5
OK, I've checked all the notifications, and respoded where needed.
I think I'm going to take a nap betweeen thunderstroms. Enjoy the break, and I'll see you back in the game thread on Friday, though I may chime in here and there in other threads before then, if something interesting comes up.
Bye for now; see you Friday (or sooner).
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 14, 2024 15:54:29 GMT -5
Effross will definitely be in the pen when he's ready. Neely has only pitched half a dozen games at the AAA level and isn't on the 40 man, so I would imagine he's on the radar but he's a little blip on the corner of the radar. Neely would be rule 5 eligible after this season, so he has that going for him. I would think the Yankees would promote Gomez and see if his stuff plays up in short relief before you'd see Neely. The Yankees will be in a 40 man roster crunch soon. Effross can get his spot back by transferring Schmidt to the 60 day DL. Ian Hamilton will likely be back before 60 days, so they probably won't transfer him (60 days for him would be August 16). Theoretically, by the end of the month, you could have Effross and Hamilton back, which betters the bullpen without a move. If they both come back on August 1, here's your pen: Holmes Weaver Effross Hamilton Kahnle Hill Tonkin Ferguson/Cousins (Ferguson probably gets the nod because he uses the left hand, though Cousins has pitched better. Both would have to be DFA'd and pass waivers if they dropped them.) The big reason the Yankees are in the roster crunch they are is that they have 5 catchers, all of which have potential. Trevino, Wells, and Rice obviously have roster spots. Narvaez has hit better than expected at AAA and he's the best defensive catcher. Ramirez hasn't started hitting yet at AAA but there's no reason to believe he won't and he's too young to waive. Intersting stuff, nw. I'm a bit worried that Effross won't get his command at the big league level this season after TJ surgery. As his game is all movment and very low velocity, he needs command to be effective. The BB numbers are good in his rehab, but he's giving up more than a hit an inning. That's worrying, too. Effross last appeared in a major league game on October 3rd, 2022. That wouldn't be fair to him to throw him into the closer's role and I don't the Yanks will do that. |
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Post by bigjeep on Jul 14, 2024 15:59:28 GMT -5
Pirates gave up on Holmes despite his good stuff because of command issues. We are starting to see that haunt him too much. Not only did he walk guys, but bottom of the order guys he should be going after. Feels like he pitches everybody like they are Mickey Mantle. I will say it again, in my opinion, he's a much better pitcher when he's pitching in the 7th or 8th innings. Yes! He is not a closer!  |
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Post by bumper on Jul 14, 2024 16:07:29 GMT -5
In my opinion, the Yankees either let Neely or Effross close games or the Yankees are going to overpay for a Closer like Mason Miller. The Yankees standing pat and keeping Holmes as their Closer in my opinion makes no sense. Weeks ago I thought for a moment that Holmes' control issues were past him.
They should be like at least 6 games back by now but other than the reds series they were at least able to win at least 1 of 3 each time and the orioles lost a lot. So they sit one game back of the division instead after all this. Getting someone with closer experience I think is a must. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk for sure. despite how poorly we played over the last month we're just a game out of 1st. we only see our problems and flaws. in addition to the O's struggling, guardians lost today so we're only a game and a half behind them. we have a better record than the dodgers - everyone's preseason favorite and the best team money can buy got walked off by the tigers. phillies got crushed 18-3 by the A's. so yeah we have issues but looking at the other teams, they apparently do as well.
the question is how many of our problems cashman can shore up at the TDL. he can only do so much.
bullpen and 3B are our biggest needs. DJ & oswaldo are providing zero offense at a position where you look for offense. but who's out there.
other than holmes the bullpen has actually been pitching well lately. i'm sure effross will help but he's not a closer. neely has an impressive K/9 rate. is he an answer. would be very daring to move him into the close role and bump holmes. when is schmidt due to return.
as bad as they've been, don't see the white sox trading away crochet - their best player. he's someone you build a rotation around. the cost would be astronomical. maybe the O's can afford him but probably out of our price range. will be very interesting to see how things shake out the next couple weeks.
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Post by qimqam on Jul 14, 2024 17:32:16 GMT -5
I cant undertsand how anyone could blame Holmes for this loss
You dont have to K every battter to be a good pitcher
Holmes should have gotten 5 outs that inning and the Yankees should have won !!!
Volpe ... You couldnt ask for a more routine ground ball
Verdugo ... You couldnt ask for a weaker hit routine flyout
If Holmes had K'd the final batter and the 3rd strike got away from the Catcher ... you'd still be blaming Holmes
No Pitcher is good if the fielders can't make routine plays
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 14, 2024 17:52:40 GMT -5
I cant undertsand how anyone could blame Holmes for this loss You dont have to K every battter to be a good pitcher Holmes should have gotten 5 outs that inning and the Yankees should have won !!! Volpe ... You couldnt ask for a more routine ground ball Verdugo ... You couldnt ask for a weaker hit routine flyout If Holmes had K'd the final batter and the 3rd strike got away from the Catcher ... you'd still be blaming Holmes No Pitcher is good if the fielders can't make routine plays Understood...but it doesn't help to put the winning runs on base via free passes. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 14, 2024 19:11:46 GMT -5
The Yankees obviously have to know they are super super fortunate to be where they are at. They should be like at least 6 games back by now but other than the reds series they were at least able to win at least 1 of 3 each time and the orioles lost a lot. So they sit one game back of the division instead after all this. Getting someone with closer experience I think is a must. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk for sure. despite how poorly we played over the last month we're just a game out of 1st. we only see our problems and flaws. in addition to the O's struggling, guardians lost today so we're only a game and a half behind them. we have a better record than the dodgers - everyone's preseason favorite and the best team money can buy got walked off by the tigers. phillies got crushed 18-3 by the A's. so yeah we have issues but looking at the other teams, they apparently do as well.
the question is how many of our problems cashman can shore up at the TDL. he can only do so much.
bullpen and 3B are our biggest needs. DJ & oswaldo are providing zero offense at a position where you look for offense. but who's out there.
other than holmes the bullpen has actually been pitching well lately. i'm sure effross will help but he's not a closer. neely has an impressive K/9 rate. is he an answer. would be very daring to move him into the close role and bump holmes. when is schmidt due to return.
as bad as they've been, don't see the white sox trading away crochet - their best player. he's someone you build a rotation around. the cost would be astronomical. maybe the O's can afford him but probably out of our price range. will be very interesting to see how things shake out the next couple weeks.
Thats why I can't make like a super assessment here too many teams still "in it" we just dunno what is available and I think all the teams are close enough in strengths and flaws that the availability could be the difference in wins later that are needed. |
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Post by Cult of Ken Clay on Jul 14, 2024 20:14:37 GMT -5
I cant undertsand how anyone could blame Holmes for this loss You dont have to K every battter to be a good pitcher Holmes should have gotten 5 outs that inning and the Yankees should have won !!! Volpe ... You couldnt ask for a more routine ground ball Verdugo ... You couldnt ask for a weaker hit routine flyout If Holmes had K'd the final batter and the 3rd strike got away from the Catcher ... you'd still be blaming Holmes No Pitcher is good if the fielders can't make routine plays Understood...but it doesn't help to put the winning runs on base via free passes. For a closer, he pitches to contact a lot. |
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Post by ypaterson on Jul 14, 2024 20:26:10 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera had a "successful" career as a closer averaging fewer stikeouts per inning than Clay Holmes. This game is not on Holmes.
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Post by inger on Jul 14, 2024 20:52:48 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera had a "successful" career as a closer averaging fewer stikeouts per inning than Clay Holmes. This game is not on Holmes. Good point. I’m also thinking of other great ground ball specialists, like Dan Quisenberry, Greg Minton, etc… |
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Post by ypaterson on Jul 14, 2024 21:09:47 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera had a "successful" career as a closer averaging fewer stikeouts per inning than Clay Holmes. This game is not on Holmes. Good point. I’m also thinking of other great ground ball specialists, like Dan Quisenberry, Greg Minton, etc… Sparky Lyle !!! |
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Post by JEGnj on Jul 15, 2024 3:38:16 GMT -5
When everything is going bad and you have a closer that you know will come in and usually makes it interesting instead just being lights out is just the cherry on top.
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