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Post by rizzuto on Jul 15, 2024 7:24:49 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera had a "successful" career as a closer averaging fewer stikeouts per inning than Clay Holmes. This game is not on Holmes. Agreed. Volpe took his eyes off the ball before catching it, which didn’t make sense because there were two outs, so no double play needed. Just cannot happen with the game on the line in the bottom of the ninth with first place on the line and tying up the series in the event of a tiebreaker. |
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Post by inger on Jul 15, 2024 7:27:17 GMT -5
Good point. I’m also thinking of other great ground ball specialists, like Dan Quisenberry, Greg Minton, etc… Sparky Lyle !!! I almost added Lyle to that short list…But I felt he was a guy that could get a k or two when he wanted to… Lyle is one of the greats from before the easy save era. 27 was, I believe his career high, but that was pretty good in his era… |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 15, 2024 8:24:05 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera had a "successful" career as a closer averaging fewer stikeouts per inning than Clay Holmes. This game is not on Holmes. Agreed. Volpe took his eyes off the ball before catching it, which didn’t make sense because there were two outs, so no double play needed. Just cannot happen with the game on the line in the bottom of the ninth with first place on the line and tying up the series in the event of a tiebreaker. Rizz, I thought Volpe took a quick look at 2b which caused him to misplay the ball but in the presser he said the main reason he missed the ball was poor footwork. |
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Post by qimqam on Jul 15, 2024 8:30:08 GMT -5
When everything is going bad and you have a closer that you know will come in and usually makes it interesting instead just being lights out is just the cherry on top. Are there any lightsout closers right now? I know a lot of people on his board thought Edwin Diaz was a lights out closer ...even though he sux every other year I'm sure some of us would love to have Kimbrell who the Yankees lit up last night for his 5th BS ... Hader has 5 loses and a 3.85 ERA (highest paid closer in MLB) At least 2 of Holmes 6 BS were with 0 ER - 7 of 19 runs allowed this season have been unearned He's not great but ... take those 2 blown saves away and he'd be a top 5 closer this season |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 15, 2024 8:39:30 GMT -5
When everything is going bad and you have a closer that you know will come in and usually makes it interesting instead just being lights out is just the cherry on top. Are there any lightsout closers right now? I know a lot of people on his board thought Edwin Diaz was a lights out closer ...even though he sux every other year I'm sure some of us would love to have Kimbrell who the Yankees lit up last night for his 5th BS ... Hader has 5 loses and a 3.85 ERA (highest paid closer in MLB) At least 2 of Holmes 6 BS were with 0 ER - 7 of 19 runs allowed this season have been unearned He's not great but ... take those 2 blown saves away and he'd be a top 5 closer this season But, IMO what is concerning about Holmes is that both his WHIP (1.31) and BA against (.263) are way too high for a closer. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 15, 2024 8:52:51 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera had a "successful" career as a closer averaging fewer stikeouts per inning than Clay Holmes. This game is not on Holmes. Big difference, Holmes's WHIP this season and for his career is 1.31. Mo's career WHIP was 1.00. When you're allowing that many base runners, striking guys out becomes important. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 15, 2024 8:54:08 GMT -5
When everything is going bad and you have a closer that you know will come in and usually makes it interesting instead just being lights out is just the cherry on top. Are there any lightsout closers right now? I know a lot of people on his board thought Edwin Diaz was a lights out closer ...even though he sux every other year I'm sure some of us would love to have Kimbrell who the Yankees lit up last night for his 5th BS ... Hader has 5 loses and a 3.85 ERA (highest paid closer in MLB) At least 2 of Holmes 6 BS were with 0 ER - 7 of 19 runs allowed this season have been unearned He's not great but ... take those 2 blown saves away and he'd be a top 5 closer this season Ask the Dodgers. They blew a 5 run 9th inning lead to Detroit on Saturday and then blew another 9th inning lead yesterday and lost both games. |
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Post by bumper on Jul 15, 2024 9:15:34 GMT -5
Are there any lightsout closers right now? I know a lot of people on his board thought Edwin Diaz was a lights out closer ...even though he sux every other year I'm sure some of us would love to have Kimbrell who the Yankees lit up last night for his 5th BS ... Hader has 5 loses and a 3.85 ERA (highest paid closer in MLB) At least 2 of Holmes 6 BS were with 0 ER - 7 of 19 runs allowed this season have been unearned He's not great but ... take those 2 blown saves away and he'd be a top 5 closer this season But, IMO what is concerning about Holmes is that both his WHIP (1.31) and BA against (.263) are way too high for a closer. was gonna post about his command because it seems like he allows too many walks but he's only walked 10. some of the hits are a consequence of him getting soft contact. seems like there are a lot of IF hits and bloops. holmes seems particularly "snakebitten" though more Ks might keep the snakes at bay.
i'm still nauseous over sunday's game. started with a grounder that found a hole. followed by a grounder that was too soft to turn two. didn't help himself w the walks. but the ball hit to volpe was routine and the ball hit to verdugo "should" have been routine.
as others have pointed out we got 3 off kimbrel who couldn't find the strike zone until he did and rice took him yard. and the most expensive reliever in the game, josh hader, has a 3.81 era and has allowed 5 HRs.
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Post by ypaterson on Jul 15, 2024 9:22:55 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera had a "successful" career as a closer averaging fewer stikeouts per inning than Clay Holmes. This game is not on Holmes. Big difference, Holmes's WHIP this season and for his career is 1.31. Mo's career WHIP was 1.00. When you're allowing that many base runners, striking guys out becomes important. Mariano lived in a different universe than Holmes does. We can do 10000 word essays on the differences. My intent was to point out that a reliever can be successufl and still pitch to contact. Holmes is not my ideal closer. I'll be fine if the Yankees part ways with him at the end of the year. But just looking at the game the Yankees gave away it was not on him. Two consecitive misplays caused the loss. Whether it is the catcher securing the 3rd strike, the SS handling a ground ball or the LF processing a fly, baseball requires a fielder doing his job. That did not happen yesterday. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 15, 2024 9:32:09 GMT -5
But just looking at the game the Yankees gave away it was not on him. Two consecitive misplays caused the loss. Whether it is the catcher securing the 3rd strike, the SS handling a ground ball or the LF processing a fly, baseball requires a fielder doing his job. That did not happen yesterday. OK...as with most wins/losses, it was a group effort. Holmes shares in that responsibility, putting the winning runs on base via walks. |
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Post by bruner4329 on Jul 15, 2024 9:38:26 GMT -5
Big difference, Holmes's WHIP this season and for his career is 1.31. Mo's career WHIP was 1.00. When you're allowing that many base runners, striking guys out becomes important. Mariano lived in a different universe than Holmes does. We can do 10000 word essays on the differences. My intent was to point out that a reliever can be successufl and still pitch to contact. Holmes is not my ideal closer. I'll be fine if the Yankees part ways with him at the end of the year. But just looking at the game the Yankees gave away it was not on him. Two consecitive misplays caused the loss. Whether it is the catcher securing the 3rd strike, the SS handling a ground ball or the LF processing a fly, baseball requires a fielder doing his job. That did not happen yesterday. Do you trust Holmes in a big situation in the playoffs? I don't. He never seems to have a clean inning. Always traffic on the bases. |
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Post by bumper on Jul 15, 2024 11:03:13 GMT -5
Mariano Rivera had a "successful" career as a closer averaging fewer stikeouts per inning than Clay Holmes. This game is not on Holmes. Agreed. Volpe took his eyes off the ball before catching it, which didn’t make sense because there were two outs, so no double play needed. Just cannot happen with the game on the line in the bottom of the ninth with first place on the line and tying up the series in the event of a tiebreaker. guess volpecould have gone to 1st but think he was looking for gleyber to go the short way.
as much agita holmes gives us, those 2 mistakes can't happen. game should have been over TWICE ... and yeah don't trust him in a big spot in the PS. his 6 BS are too much but don't really know who we can possibly pry away to replace him.
despite how bad we've been, we're still very much in the thick of it. we control our destiny though don't like the trend line. for sure cashman has to shore up the bullpen if we are to have any shot in the PS. 3B and a bat off the bench would be useful as well. 64 games. will the real yankees please step up.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 15, 2024 11:04:00 GMT -5
Mariano lived in a different universe than Holmes does. We can do 10000 word essays on the differences. My intent was to point out that a reliever can be successufl and still pitch to contact. Holmes is not my ideal closer. I'll be fine if the Yankees part ways with him at the end of the year. But just looking at the game the Yankees gave away it was not on him. Two consecitive misplays caused the loss. Whether it is the catcher securing the 3rd strike, the SS handling a ground ball or the LF processing a fly, baseball requires a fielder doing his job. That did not happen yesterday. Do you trust Holmes in a big situation in the playoffs? I don't. He never seems to have a clean inning. Always traffic on the bases. FWIW In all 3 series so far he's pitched in he's pitched 6 G 0 ER 2 BB and 3 H Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 15, 2024 11:14:55 GMT -5
despite how bad we've been, we're still very much in the thick of it. we control our destiny though don't like the trend line. for sure cashman has to shore up the bullpen if we are to have any shot in the PS. 3B and a bat off the bench would be useful as well. 64 games. will the real yankees please step up.
As frustrating as that loss was, no need for anyone to climb out on a window ledge. It's one loss; Yanks took the series...away. May come into play re a tie breaker, but that seems remote. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Jul 15, 2024 11:21:24 GMT -5
I think there's a lot of overreaction here even though I am in agreement of the Yankees trading for some with closer experience to help the bullpen.
So many of these closers just are not shutdown anymore. Who is even an elite closer? Clase? The Cardinals closer? Yankees have gotten to Clase plenty of times.
Holmes problem is pitches to contact too much.
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