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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 15, 2024 20:29:53 GMT -5
Longerhagen's post-pick assessment of the first two picks, Hess and Cunningham, from his (click on this title, it's a link to the entire article) Draft Day One Recap article, today at Fangraphs :
"It sounds like Ben Hess’ medical scared some teams and our draft room intel says he’s getting done for less than slot. Bryce Cunningham was a really good pick where they got him and presents the Yankees dev group with a fastball/changeup foundation that they’ll need to help augment with a good breaking ball." Qwik, I know you really like Longerhagen. Is there somthing about his track record that has impressed you? I'm just not very familiar with the guys who rate baseball prospects. I know some of the names but really don't know who the respected guys are. I have been in fantasy leagues in one form or another since 1977. I've been looking for better reporting on prospects for almost as long. A leaguemate of mine found and subcribed to Baseball America back shorlty after it was founded as " All-America Baseball News" in 1981. We all started subcribing to it, and over the years, we've looked for and found many sources besides The Sporting News, and the annual spring training baseball fantasy magazines that used to be a big deal when they came out in February or March, which also had prospect lists. I've subscribed to Baseball Prospectus on line, Baseball HQ, bought several one-time books that claimed to have better method of evaluating prospects. Out of all of these, I find that Longerhagen and whoever's working with him at any given time at Fangraphs (and it has changed multiple times in his tenure there) to be the best of them. Not by a ton, but by enough of a margin that he's the first source I go to when I'm trying to find information about a prospect. I've found 5-10 very good prospects reading his work that other prospect touts on other sites either didn't find, found too late, or underplayed too much. The most recent one was Jackson Merrill, who I drafted before last season, when I had finished 4th in my 13-team league and had the 10th pick of the first round. I had a list of 5 guys that I liked a lot, based primarily on his reports. Merrill was the last of the 5. There Eury Perez, Druw Jones, Termarr Johnson, Masyn Winn and Merrill. The other four were picked in the top 9, so I took Merrill at #10. Now, Merrill was top #25 everywhere, but Longerhagen had him at #10, describing him as a Michael Brantley who could play everyday shortstop. On Longerhagen's list, he was 8th among NL prospects (my league is NL-only) and among undrafted prospects, he was ranked the 3rd highest, behind only Eury Perez and Druw Jones who were picked #1 and #4 in the round. Prospects further down the list were taken ahead of Merrill, primarily because they were perceived as being closer to the majors. I found Ronald Acuna, Jr and drafted him in the All-Star Meeting A-ball and lower draft (One round in which teams can draft any player who wasn't just drafted in that season's Rule 4 Draft and who hadn't yet reached AA or AAA) because of his writeups mid-season. Most of the league teams had no idea who Acuna was. My pick came near the end of the round, and I had to drop a prospect from my 4-player farm system and pay an additional fee to draft him, but I did it with enthusiasm because of the Longerhagen writeups. I drafted Michael Buscn in the 2nd round in 2022 of the main April draft because Longerhagen wrote that his bat would play in the majors and that a team would find a spot for him, despite his difficulty finding a defensive spot for him, as other prospect sources noted, moving him well down their lists. There have been others. Longerhagen isn't always right. He recommended highly Zac Veen, then had to come off him when he had difficulty in AA last year, describing in detail the flaw in his swing. Now in his 2nd year in AA, Veen is doing well, but Longerhagen still doesn't have him in his top 100 because of problems that haven't been solved. He had Veen at #15 in his Rockies' top 47 prospects that he put out in mid-April, and still has him there in the current Rockies list. Based on that downgraded scouting report, I refused to include Merrill in a dump trade along with 3 expiring contracts at the dealine year where the primary pickup was Jackson Chourio; I included Veen instead. Now I have both Jacksons playing for my team. As I say, he isn't vastly superior, and he's made some mis-calls, but I find him to be better than Baseball America, Prospectus, Pipeline or HQ by enough of a margin that he's my first check on any prospect I haven't heard of before.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 15, 2024 21:41:47 GMT -5
Qwik, I know you really like Longerhagen. Is there somthing about his track record that has impressed you? I'm just not very familiar with the guys who rate baseball prospects. I know some of the names but really don't know who the respected guys are. I have been in fantasy leagues in one form or another since 1977. I've been looking for better reporting on prospects for almost as long. A leaguemate of mine found and subcribed to Baseball America back shorlty after it was founded as " All-America Baseball News" in 1981. We all started subcribing to it, and over the years, we've looked for and found many sources besides The Sporting News, and the annual spring training baseball fantasy magazines that used to be a big deal when they came out in February or March, which also had prospect lists. I've subscribed to Baseball Prospectus on line, Baseball HQ, bought several one-time books that claimed to have better method of evaluating prospects. Out of all of these, I find that Longerhagen and whoever's working with him at any given time at Fangraphs (and it has changed multiple times in his tenure there) to be the best of them. Not by a ton, but by enough of a margin that he's the first source I go to when I'm trying to find information about a prospect. I've found 5-10 very good prospects reading his work that other prospect touts on other sites either didn't find, found too late, or underplayed too much. The most recent one was Jackson Merrill, who I drafted before last season, when I had finished 4th in my 13-team league and had the 10th pick of the first round. I had a list of 5 guys that I liked a lot, based primarily on his reports. Merrill was the last of the 5. There Eury Perez, Druw Jones, Termarr Johnson, Masyn Winn and Merrill. The other four were picked in the top 9, so I took Merrill at #10. Now, Merrill was top #25 everywhere, but Longerhagen had him at #10, describing him as a Michael Brantley who could play everyday shortstop. On Longerhagen's list, he was 8th among NL prospects (my league is NL-only) and among undrafted prospects, he was ranked the 3rd highest, behind only Eury Perez and Druw Jones who were picked #1 and #4 in the round. Prospects further down the list were taken ahead of Merrill, primarily because they were perceived as being closer to the majors. I found Ronald Acuna, Jr and drafted him in the All-Star Meeting A-ball and lower draft (One round in which teams can draft any player who wasn't just drafted in that season's Rule 4 Draft and who hadn't yet reached AA or AAA) because of his writeups mid-season. Most of the league teams had no idea who Acuna was. My pick came near the end of the round, and I had to drop a prospect from my 4-player farm system and pay an additional fee to draft him, but I did it with enthusiasm because of the Longerhagen writeups. I drafted Michael Buscn in the 2nd round in 2022 of the main April draft because Longerhagen wrote that his bat would play in the majors and that a team would find a spot for him, despite his difficulty finding a defensive spot for him, as other prospect sources noted, moving him well down their lists. There have been others. Longerhagen isn't always right. He recommended highly Zac Veen, then had to come off him when he had difficulty in AA last year, describing in detail the flaw in his swing. Now in his 2nd year in AA, Veen is doing well, but Longerhagen still doesn't have him in his top 100 because of problems that haven't been solved. He had Veen at #15 in his Rockies' top 47 prospects that he put out in mid-April, and still has him there in the current Rockies list. Based on that downgraded scouting report, I refused to include Merrill in a dump trade along with 3 expiring contracts at the dealine year where the primary pickup was Jackson Chourio; I included Veen instead. Now I have both Jacksons playing for my team. As I say, he isn't vastly superior, and he's made some mis-calls, but I find him to be better than Baseball America, Prospectus, Pipeline or HQ by enough of a margin that he's my first check on any prospect I haven't heard of before. Wow, thanks for such a detailed reply, certainly wasn't expecting that. Being able to draft minor league players is an interesting twist. My assumption is that it is a keeper league and you only benefit from them if they make the big show?
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 6:48:19 GMT -5
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 6:49:47 GMT -5
5th round pick Greyson Carter hitting 103.
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Jul 16, 2024 7:26:51 GMT -5
5th round pick Greyson Carter hitting 103. Desousa, How did bocce go? I'm assuming you are in a league. Good friend of mine plays in a league and he's a little bit competitive. I think he gets frustrated that not everyone on his team is as focused as he is. Most seem to enjoy the food and wine more.
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 8:05:21 GMT -5
5th round pick Greyson Carter hitting 103. Desousa, How did bocce go? I'm assuming you are in a league. Good friend of mine plays in a league and he's a little bit competitive. I think he gets frustrated that not everyone on his team is as focused as he is. Most seem to enjoy the food and wine more. We won all three games and now stand 5-3 for the season. We sit in 5th place in a 16-team league. We're an inconsistent team, but we all played well last night. My nickname is The Assassin and lived up to it after the two games I played in were both won 7-0. The league is a lot of fun with a great group of people. All ages, from 12 to 80's.
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Post by kaybli on Jul 16, 2024 8:13:48 GMT -5
Desousa, How did bocce go? I'm assuming you are in a league. Good friend of mine plays in a league and he's a little bit competitive. I think he gets frustrated that not everyone on his team is as focused as he is. Most seem to enjoy the food and wine more. We won all three games and now stand 5-3 for the season. We sit in 5th place in a 16-team league. We're an inconsistent team, but we all played well last night. My nickname is The Assassin and lived up to it after the two games I played in were both won 7-0. The league is a lot of fun with a great group of people. All ages, from 12 to 80's. The assassin! 😂 that’s awesome! I almost forgot about that nickname. I have to start calling you that. 🥷
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 8:19:18 GMT -5
We won all three games and now stand 5-3 for the season. We sit in 5th place in a 16-team league. We're an inconsistent team, but we all played well last night. My nickname is The Assassin and lived up to it after the two games I played in were both won 7-0. The league is a lot of fun with a great group of people. All ages, from 12 to 80's. The assassin! 😂 that’s awesome! I almost forgot about that nickname. I have to start calling you that. 🥷 Ha, ha! Sometimes my nickname is The Choker.
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Post by kaybli on Jul 16, 2024 8:21:10 GMT -5
The assassin! 😂 that’s awesome! I almost forgot about that nickname. I have to start calling you that. 🥷 Ha, ha! Sometimes my nickname is The Choker. Is that because you choke in the clutch or are you a secret serial killer?
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 8:23:11 GMT -5
Ha, ha! Sometimes my nickname is The Choker. Is that because you choke in the clutch or are you a secret serial killer?
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 16, 2024 12:50:30 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for such a detailed reply, certainly wasn't expecting that. Being able to draft minor league players is an interesting twist. My assumption is that it is a keeper league and you only benefit from them if they make the big show? Yes, it's a keeper league. I've been in this particular league since 1997 or 1998, if I remember right. We can keep up to 15 players (out of 23) in any given off-season, and up to 4 farm players.
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 13:14:38 GMT -5
In round 11, the Yanks take JUCO RHP Mack Estrada out of Northwest Florida State. No big surprise, he's 6'4" and 220 punds.
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 13:54:55 GMT -5
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 13:59:03 GMT -5
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Post by desousa on Jul 16, 2024 14:01:09 GMT -5
The Yankees have a pick coming up at 271. There is a kid that I umpired, a RHP out of high school, Kyle Degroat. He's ranked 239 but has some signability issues as he's committed to Texas. However, his comments in the local paper this week seemed to indicate that he's open to going pro if he's selected on day 1. He's 92-94 on his fastball as an 18 year old, touches 96. He has a good slider and a third pitch that he's hardly ever shown because he doesn't need it in HS competition. I'd love to see the Yankees take a shot at a local kid. If he plays at Hudson Valley, it would literally be 20 minutes from his home. Degroat got drafted by KC in the 14th round.
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