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Post by bumper on Jul 25, 2024 9:37:59 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty much. The begs the obvious follow-up question: And what will YOU do, MANAGER Boone, to get your players to play better? If you truly believe they're a title contender, then why are they playing like this? Is it YOU? And if you don't believe it, why are you (very bad word)ing everyone off by insisting that they are? Just to keep collecting your paycheck? I have a bit of a different take. I don't think Boone is saying it to keep collecting a pay check. I think he's saying it for the players. I think he is a competitor and refuses to give up no matter how bad it gets. He has to understand that some of these guys aren't going to get better. He's hoping for some reinforcements and that the guys who should be playing better start clicking. He may not feel this team is a title contender as it is currently constructer, but there is no way he would ever say that. I'm sure they are working with players like Verdugo and Torres to get them going, but they have to do it, Boone can't step in the box with them. He's trying different things but not much is working because we have so much dead weight. Then making matters worse, in a game where you ace starts you give up double digit runs. If the Yankees fail to make the playoffs Boone will not be back, but if he is let go and Cash stays that will be an injustice. yup right there ...
when you have a minimum of 4 lineup spots from which a certain amount of production was expected not producing, you have a problem. when you have starters with an ERA north of 6, you have a problem. when you have maybe 2 relievers you can count on, you have a problem. when your closer can't close games, you have a problem. when you have fielding breakdowns at the worst possible times, you have a problem. but yeah let's blame the manager ...
not a fan but don't have this hatred that most here have. certainly question moves from time to time. but i've seen even the most respected managers make bad moves. batting davis 4th was ridiculous. there were other options but he took a lottery ticket that maybe he would run into one. but when your "best" options are 2 other guys hitting .220, he took a chance. during this 11-23 stretch, holmes has single handedly cost us 4 games. flip those games and we're 15-19. not great but better than the orioles 11-16.
maybe boone should fine players for every time they fail or pitchers for every HR they allow ...
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Post by pimmersj on Jul 25, 2024 9:49:10 GMT -5
They’re fundamentally bad and play uninspired baseball. That falls on the manager. The bottom line is that baring a miracle Boone and Cashman need to be shown the door. On top of that they just got absolutely bent over and embarrassed by the New York Mets in their own house. When the Mets fans take over Yankee Stadium and the Mets players are dancing around the place that’s the last straw. The only team worse in this stretch is the White Sox.
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 25, 2024 9:50:34 GMT -5
I have a bit of a different take. I don't think Boone is saying it to keep collecting a pay check. I think he's saying it for the players. I think he is a competitor and refuses to give up no matter how bad it gets. He has to understand that some of these guys aren't going to get better. He's hoping for some reinforcements and that the guys who should be playing better start clicking. He may not feel this team is a title contender as it is currently constructer, but there is no way he would ever say that. I'm sure they are working with players like Verdugo and Torres to get them going, but they have to do it, Boone can't step in the box with them. He's trying different things but not much is working because we have so much dead weight. Then making matters worse, in a game where you ace starts you give up double digit runs. If the Yankees fail to make the playoffs Boone will not be back, but if he is let go and Cash stays that will be an injustice. yup right there ...
when you have a minimum of 4 lineup spots from which a certain amount of production was expected not producing, you have a problem. when you have starters with an ERA north of 6, you have a problem. when you have maybe 2 relievers you can count on, you have a problem. when your closer can't close games, you have a problem. when you have fielding breakdowns at the worst possible times, you have a problem. but yeah let's blame the manager ...
not a fan but don't have this hatred that most here have. certainly question moves from time to time. but i've seen even the most respected managers make bad moves. batting davis 4th was ridiculous. there were other options but he took a lottery ticket that maybe he would run into one. but when your "best" options are 2 other guys hitting .220, he took a chance. during this 11-23 stretch, holmes has single handedly cost us 4 games. flip those games and we're 15-19. not great but better than the orioles 11-16.
maybe boone should fine players for every time they fail or pitchers for every HR they allow ...
Don't understand how Boone can possibly be held responsible for the lack of production from players. Makes absolutely no sense. |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 25, 2024 10:04:33 GMT -5
yup right there ...
when you have a minimum of 4 lineup spots from which a certain amount of production was expected not producing, you have a problem. when you have starters with an ERA north of 6, you have a problem. when you have maybe 2 relievers you can count on, you have a problem. when your closer can't close games, you have a problem. when you have fielding breakdowns at the worst possible times, you have a problem. but yeah let's blame the manager ...
not a fan but don't have this hatred that most here have. certainly question moves from time to time. but i've seen even the most respected managers make bad moves. batting davis 4th was ridiculous. there were other options but he took a lottery ticket that maybe he would run into one. but when your "best" options are 2 other guys hitting .220, he took a chance. during this 11-23 stretch, holmes has single handedly cost us 4 games. flip those games and we're 15-19. not great but better than the orioles 11-16.
maybe boone should fine players for every time they fail or pitchers for every HR they allow ...
Don't understand how Boone can possibly be held responsible for the lack of production from players. Makes absolutely no sense. Then on the flip side he should get very little credit when the players play well and team wins games. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 25, 2024 10:05:56 GMT -5
Don't understand how Boone can possibly be held responsible for the lack of production from players. Makes absolutely no sense. Then on the flip side he should get very little credit when the players play well and team wins games. Of course. IMO...managers get too much credit/blame. |
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Post by nw on Jul 25, 2024 10:09:21 GMT -5
yup right there ...
when you have a minimum of 4 lineup spots from which a certain amount of production was expected not producing, you have a problem. when you have starters with an ERA north of 6, you have a problem. when you have maybe 2 relievers you can count on, you have a problem. when your closer can't close games, you have a problem. when you have fielding breakdowns at the worst possible times, you have a problem. but yeah let's blame the manager ...
not a fan but don't have this hatred that most here have. certainly question moves from time to time. but i've seen even the most respected managers make bad moves. batting davis 4th was ridiculous. there were other options but he took a lottery ticket that maybe he would run into one. but when your "best" options are 2 other guys hitting .220, he took a chance. during this 11-23 stretch, holmes has single handedly cost us 4 games. flip those games and we're 15-19. not great but better than the orioles 11-16.
maybe boone should fine players for every time they fail or pitchers for every HR they allow ...
Don't understand how Boone can possibly be held responsible for the lack of production from players. Makes absolutely no sense. You may not like it, but that's the way management is, especially in sports. Boone may not be able to help the fact that DJL and JDD are no longer major league quality players. He can, however, put guys like Wells, Volpe, and Rice in a position to succeed. He also bears some of the responsibility for guys like Torres and Verdugo not being able to break out of their funks. Positive reinforcement goes a long way, but sometimes negative reinforcement is necessary, and heck, sometimes a complete non-baseball change may flip the switch. Sometimes a closed door team meeting will do just as much as a team trip to the strip club (or something more 2024 appropriate). It's the manager's job to try things and not just sit back and say "oh, they'll come around." |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 25, 2024 10:19:50 GMT -5
You may not like it, but that's the way management is, especially in sports. Boone may not be able to help the fact that DJL and JDD are no longer major league quality players. He can, however, put guys like Wells, Volpe, and Rice in a position to succeed. He also bears some of the responsibility for guys like Torres and Verdugo not being able to break out of their funks. Positive reinforcement goes a long way, but sometimes negative reinforcement is necessary, and heck, sometimes a complete non-baseball change may flip the switch. Sometimes a closed door team meeting will do just as much as a team trip to the strip club (or something more 2024 appropriate). It's the manager's job to try things and not just sit back and say "oh, they'll come around." Rather than spout platitudes, I'll ask anyone who blames Boone for the failures of players to play manager for a moment and state specifically what they'd do to "put guys like Wells, Volpe, and Rice in a position to succeed" or to help Torres & Verdugo "break out of their funks". |
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 25, 2024 10:23:33 GMT -5
Then on the flip side he should get very little credit when the players play well and team wins games. Of course. IMO...managers get too much credit/blame. I agree with this. Also, there's nothing a manager can do about a game like last night's when your starting pitcher gives up a bunch of HR's, the bullpen is lousy and no one can get a hit with RISP. It's Tuesday's game that still bothers me since it was a close game and certainly winnable. That crazy lineup Boone ran out there played a big part in the loss. |
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Post by ypaterson on Jul 25, 2024 10:24:06 GMT -5
Then on the flip side he should get very little credit when the players play well and team wins games. Of course. IMO...managers get too much credit/blame. |
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Post by bumper on Jul 25, 2024 10:25:27 GMT -5
Don't understand how Boone can possibly be held responsible for the lack of production from players. Makes absolutely no sense. Then on the flip side he should get very little credit when the players play well and team wins games. and he didn't. can't remember many or even any instances when boone got credit when the team was doing well.
clearly it was wishful thinking that DJ and rizzo would return to form. or that stanton (who did) wouldn't get injured. or that volpe would take a major step forward. or that gleyber and verdugo would continue their solid hitting of the past 2 season. or that cortes would return to 2022. or that holmes could reliably close games. but that's not all on boone. upper mgnt deserves most of that blame in the construction of the team. apparently their crystal ball was broken ...
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 25, 2024 10:26:00 GMT -5
Of course. IMO...managers get too much credit/blame. That crazy lineup Boone ran out there played a big part in the loss. Agreed...but what about those who say he should "try something else"? |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 25, 2024 10:31:49 GMT -5
Then on the flip side he should get very little credit when the players play well and team wins games. and he didn't. can't remember many or even any instances when boone got credit when the team was doing well.
Didn't see anyone praising Boone when the Yanks were cruising to the best record in MLB.. BTW...Baltimore is loaded with talent. Is Brandon Hyde responsible for the Orioles skid? |
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Post by nw on Jul 25, 2024 10:37:51 GMT -5
You may not like it, but that's the way management is, especially in sports. Boone may not be able to help the fact that DJL and JDD are no longer major league quality players. He can, however, put guys like Wells, Volpe, and Rice in a position to succeed. He also bears some of the responsibility for guys like Torres and Verdugo not being able to break out of their funks. Positive reinforcement goes a long way, but sometimes negative reinforcement is necessary, and heck, sometimes a complete non-baseball change may flip the switch. Sometimes a closed door team meeting will do just as much as a team trip to the strip club (or something more 2024 appropriate). It's the manager's job to try things and not just sit back and say "oh, they'll come around." Rather than spout platitudes, I'll ask anyone who blames Boone for the failures of players to play manager for a moment and state specifically what they'd do to "put guys like Wells, Volpe, and Rice in a position to succeed" or to help Torres & Verdugo "break out of their funks". You can ask that question all you want, but none of us are major league managers. None of us are with these men day in and day out to evaluate what might work for each individual player. However, there are other people out there that are qualified to be major league managers. Some of them CAN actually make changes to help out players who aren't quite living up to their potential. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 25, 2024 10:39:18 GMT -5
Of course. IMO...managers get too much credit/blame. Bochy spent more seasons with mediocre/losing records than winning. In fact, his career record over 27 years as a manager is .499. Can't get more mediocre. |
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 25, 2024 10:40:15 GMT -5
Rather than spout platitudes, I'll ask anyone who blames Boone for the failures of players to play manager for a moment and state specifically what they'd do to "put guys like Wells, Volpe, and Rice in a position to succeed" or to help Torres & Verdugo "break out of their funks". You can ask that question all you want, but none of us are major league managers. None of us are with these men day in and day out to evaluate what might work for each individual player. However, there are other people out there that are qualified to be major league managers. Some of them CAN actually make changes to help out players who aren't quite living up to their potential. So...you don't know. |
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