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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2024 12:43:25 GMT -5
The Yankees just traded for Mark Leiter Jr. from the Cubs.
Source: My son.
The traded Neely for him.
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2024 12:43:37 GMT -5
Leiter had 53 strikeouts in 36 innings. My son watches a lot more Cubs games than I do and he says Leiter has been burnt by bad Cubs defense. Wait to he gets a load of Gleyber.
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Post by Max on Jul 30, 2024 12:54:00 GMT -5
The Yankees just traded for Mark Leiter Jr. from the Cubs. Source: My son. The traded Neely for him. 🤢🤮
I'm starting to agree with the fans that say the Yankees need a new GM. Didn't like the Donaldson trade, Montas trade. Now this? Maybe Neely could have helped them so that they didn't need to make a trade. If he was going to trade Neely at least put him in a trade for a Closer.
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2024 12:56:03 GMT -5
The Yankees just traded for Mark Leiter Jr. from the Cubs. Source: My son. The traded Neely for him. 🤢🤮
I'm starting to agree with the fans that say the Yankees need a new GM. Didn't like the Donaldson trade, Montas trade. Now this? Maybe Neely could have helped them so that they didn't need to make a trade. If he was going to trade Neely at lest put him in a trade for a Closer.
It doesn't seem like they had any faith in Neely because they easily could have called him to see how he looked before the deadline.
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Post by Max on Jul 30, 2024 13:05:25 GMT -5
Leiter had 53 strikeouts in 36 innings. My son watches a lot more Cubs games than I do and he says Leiter has been burnt by bad Cubs defense. Wait to he gets a load of Gleyber. I like his innings pitched and strikeout ratio also he has a good hits to innings pitched ratio. I had high expectations for Neely, but I will say that Leiter is an upgrade. I wonder if he can be a Closer.
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Post by Max on Jul 30, 2024 13:07:16 GMT -5
🤢🤮
I'm starting to agree with the fans that say the Yankees need a new GM. Didn't like the Donaldson trade, Montas trade. Now this? Maybe Neely could have helped them so that they didn't need to make a trade. If he was going to trade Neely at lest put him in a trade for a Closer.
It doesn't seem like they had any faith in Neely because they easily could have called him to see how he looked before the deadline. I reserve the right to change my opinion of the trade and of Cashman, but I wish the Yankees would have given Neely a chance.
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Post by chiyankee on Jul 30, 2024 13:17:30 GMT -5
The Yankees are including Ben Cowles in the trade too.
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Post by yankeesfaninboston on Jul 30, 2024 13:19:03 GMT -5
FWIW. Also read a stat that he's 98th percentile in whiff rate and strikeout rate. Seems like there's a lot to like in the underlying details of his work this year. Team control via arbitration for 2025 and 2026 as well (making $1.5M this year from his first run through arbitration process).
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 30, 2024 13:26:01 GMT -5
Posted this in the trade deadline thread, so I might as well re-post it here... Yanks traded for an OK reliever in the Cubs' Mark Leiter. He's not a closer or the Cubs, who have gone through multiple options at that spot recently, would've given him a longer look. He has pitched much better than his ERA, which is one of the things analysts look for, and while his strand rate is very low this year, a red flag for pitching in high leverage, his rate of inherited runners scoring is also very low, just 3 of 21, 14%, well below the MLB average of 33% this season. The ERA simulators think his ERA should be 1-2 runs lower than the current 4.21.
He was hit hard in June, basically ruining his season's numbers, giving up 8 earned runs over 4 consecutive appearances and 3 1/3 innings the last two weeks that month. but he's been almost literally perfect in 7 games since then: 7 games, 7 2/3 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs, 0 BB and 14 K's. I hope he can stay hot with the Yanks. The trade should help the pen, but I don't think he's the closer they're looking for. Stranger things have happened.
Infielder Ben Cowles and right-handed pitcher Jack Neely were the prospects sent to the Cubs. Cowles is a 24 year old middle infielder having a very good year in AA, plays 2nd and SS, batting .294 with medium power and a good walk rate, but also a pretty high K rate. He wasn't in the Yanks top 37 prospects on The Board at Fangraphs. Neely is a 24 year old right handed reliever who pitched well at AA and AAA this year, the Cubs might call him up to replace Leiter later this season. He was not in the top 37 either, but was mentioned in last year's prospects with as "depth reliever" and Longerhagen said at the time: "Neely has a plus slider and sits 93-94; that’s a little less velo than is ideal given his lack of command.". HIs K rates in the minors have always been huge, but his BB rates have been somewhat high as well. Apparently, the slider is a wipeout slider, but I haven't seen him pitch, maybe someone who has can add some detail. Maybe he's added some velocity, but I don't know that, either.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 30, 2024 13:32:39 GMT -5
Looking at the three luck factors: the strand rate is very low, 55%, the BABIP is slightly higher than average at just over .300, and the HR per FB rate is somewhat lower than average, 8%. Well, if you can only have one of the three in your favot, the HR/FB rate is the one to have is you're going to be a righty pitching half your games for the Yanks.
Leiter, oddly for a reliever, throws 6 pitches, a starter's repertoire. He has a four-seamer he almost never uses, a 92 sinker that he uses about 1/3 of the time, a splitter that he uses 1/3 of the time, and the remaining 3rd is almost evenly divided between a cutter, a curve and slider. The velocities range from the sinker 92 to the curve 73. Not a power arm, at least in appearance. The spliter and sinker have big plus run values this year, and the other 3 minuses, which is why he uses them much less often, I would think.
I suppose it is disappointing that they didn't get a high-octane power arm we were all hoping for, but 1) That would've been much more expensive 2) They still might get one.
This might be another Effross deal, and though Effross was all over the place his first few games with the team, once he settled in, he pitched much better...until he blew out his UCL and needed TJ surgery.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 30, 2024 13:42:41 GMT -5
FWIW. Also read a stat that he's 98th percentile in whiff rate and strikeout rate. Seems like there's a lot to like in the underlying details of his work this year. Team control via arbitration for 2025 and 2026 as well (making $1.5M this year from his first run through arbitration process). One more thing at the very bottom the MLB Trade Rumors article on the Leiter deal, as you might expect of two 24-year-old prospects: " Both Neely and Cowles are Rule 5 eligible this winter, so the Yankees would have been facing a decision about whether or not to add them to their 40-man roster. Instead, they have cashed them in for an immediate bullpen upgrade, meaning those decisions will now transfer to Chicago."
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 30, 2024 13:45:53 GMT -5
Addendum: for what it's worth, Baseball America had Neely as the #20 prospect in the Yankee system.
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Jul 30, 2024 13:46:35 GMT -5
Low hit rate, high K rate, has allowed just 2 HR in 36.1 IP. He should help. Doesn't have eye-popping career numbers, but he should be effective.
His dad Mark Sr was briefly a Yankee in 1990, his Uncle Al was a Yankee for parts of 1987-1989 seasons.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Jul 30, 2024 13:51:10 GMT -5
Low hit rate, high K rate, has allowed just 2 HR in 36.1 IP. He should help. Doesn't have eye-popping career numbers, but he should be effective. His dad Mark Sr was briefly a Yankee in 1990, his Uncle Al was a Yankee for parts of 1987-1989 seasons. As I mentioned above...another Effross deal? If so, let's hope this one doesn't cause a major injury.
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Post by azbob643 on Jul 30, 2024 13:51:12 GMT -5
His dad Mark Sr was briefly a Yankee in 1990, his Uncle Al was a Yankee for parts of 1987-1989 seasons. Al Leiter is Jack Leiter's father. Jack & Kumar Rocker were both considered studs coming out of Vanderbilt. Doesn't seem either has lived up to those expectations.
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