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Post by chiyankee on Aug 5, 2024 8:54:43 GMT -5
Thurman Munson. I got his autograph at a signing in the mid 70's. I think it was Cowen's hardware in either Bergenfield or Dumont. Could be completely wrong but that is what I think it was. I was 15 when he died and cried all night. I was only 10 when Thurman died but I still remember exactly where I was when my older brother told me. I didn't believe him at first and just thought he was being a jerk, like big brothers can be. |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Aug 5, 2024 9:06:04 GMT -5
Thurman Munson. I got his autograph at a signing in the mid 70's. I think it was Cowen's hardware in either Bergenfield or Dumont. Could be completely wrong but that is what I think it was. I was 15 when he died and cried all night. I was 13, and I'm still crying. |
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Post by inger on Aug 5, 2024 10:22:32 GMT -5
Thurman Munson. I got his autograph at a signing in the mid 70's. I think it was Cowen's hardware in either Bergenfield or Dumont. Could be completely wrong but that is what I think it was. I was 15 when he died and cried all night. I was 13, and I'm still crying. Hell, I was 25 and it still hit me hard. Then afterward, seeing Brad Gulden behind the plate made me well up, too… |
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 5, 2024 10:35:54 GMT -5
I was 13, and I'm still crying. Hell, I was 25 and it still hit me hard. Then afterward, seeing Brad Gulden behind the plate made me well up, too… The Bobby Murcer game at the Stadium against Baltimore right after Munson's funeral can still leave you misty eyed. |
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Post by desousa on Aug 5, 2024 10:38:52 GMT -5
Mantle, Mattingly, Yogi, O'Neil and Munson.
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Post by Cult of Ken Clay on Aug 5, 2024 10:40:36 GMT -5
Thurman Munson. I got his autograph at a signing in the mid 70's. I think it was Cowen's hardware in either Bergenfield or Dumont. Could be completely wrong but that is what I think it was. I was 15 when he died and cried all night. I was 13, and I'm still crying. I was 13 too. We were at the Jersey Shore (Ship Bottom) and it was a clammy, overcast day. For some reason, I thought '79 was a complete disaster record wise, but we finished 18 games over .500. |
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Post by inger on Aug 5, 2024 10:58:47 GMT -5
The truth is that I love ‘em all. Even Celerino Sanchez and Jerry Kenney.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 5, 2024 18:05:35 GMT -5
When I was Kid Qwik, it was Stottlemyre, Munson and Murcer. They were my first Yankees heroes (note my avatar). I only appreciated Roy White and Lou Piniella much later on.
In the 80's, it was Mattingly, just like everyone else.
On the Dynasty Teams, it's Bernie (the first key piece on the long road back) and Mariano, the only Yankee I've ever seen personally who could be reasonably argued as the greatest of all time as his position.
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Qwik interruption for my one of my favorite bits of funny business in the form of two opinion/trivia questions...
Q: Who is the greatest post-season relief pitcher of all-time?
A: Mariano Rivera, 1995-2001. 52 games, 6-1 with an 0.80 ERA, 24 saves, 2 blown, 4 holds. In 79 innings, 52 hits, 9 runs, 7 earned, 2 HR, 7 BB, 63 K, WHIP of 0.81, 4 titles closed out.
Q: Who is the SECOND greatest post-season relief pitcher of all-time?
A: Mariano Rivera, 2002-2011. 44 games, 2-0 with a 0.58 ERA. 18 saves, 3 blown. In 62 innings, 34 hits, 4 runs (earned), 0 HR, 9 BB and 47 K's, WHIP of 0.69, 1 title closed out.
If you want to argue which one is the greatest and which was 2nd greatest, that's OK with me: take your pick. I choose the first despite the slightly less awesome stats because his unhittable cutter was faster during the dynasty years, because of the better save percentage, and well, 4 rings vs. 1. That's how great Rivera was; you can cut his career in half, and get the two best post-season relievers in history. And he did it all with almost no muss or fuss. He did all this against the best teams, usually the best hitting teams in baseball, and most of the work was done in the best hitting era since the Lively Ball era (1920-1939). As the old joke goes, more guys have walked on the moon then have scored an earned run on Mariano in the post-season. Kinda silly, but there it is.
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On the recent teams, Judge, of course, and of the newbies, Volpe and Wells. If this team is to compete with the Red Sox, Rays and especially the O"s, those two are going to have to complete their development in a big way. They're not there yet. Volpe's pretty good (on pace for a close to 5 WAR season), but he's still got a significant gap to make up to join Henderson and Witt (on pace for 9 and 10 WAR seasons) as the 3rd wheel in this generation's Jeter-A-Rod-Nomar triumverate. The odds are against it, but I'll be watching and hoping. And, sad to say, Judge has yet to bring his dominance into the post-season. But then, neither did Barry Bonds or A-Rod, until they finally did.
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 5, 2024 19:07:23 GMT -5
When I was Kid Qwik, it was Stottlemyre, Munson and Murcer. They were my first Yankees heroes (note my avatar). I only appreciated Roy White and Lou Piniella much later on. In the 80's, it was Mattingly, just like everyone else. On the Dynasty Teams, it's Bernie (the first key piece on the long road back) and Mariano, the only Yankee I've ever seen personally who could be reasonably argued as the greatest of all time as his position. ========================= I think the gap between Mo and whoever is the second best reliever is greater than the gap between number one and number two at any other position, maybe The Babe in RF excepted. Possibly in any other sport, although I haven't done a deep dive on it. Bobby Orr as a defenseman might qualify, but I couldn't say definitively. I didn't appreciate Roy White when he was active as much as I should have either. He just performed so quietly and consistently. And on mostly bad teams until late in his career. I have always liked the little factoid that Roy White and Bobby Murcer made their debuts one day apart, on September 7 and 8 1965 respectively. Mel Stottlemyre's August and September of 1964 made him a lifetime favorite of any fan who saw him. No possible way the Yankees would have won the pennant without his late season call-up heroics. I used to get livid when he was pitching coach and the fans would boo him sometimes when he came to the mound. They couldn't have been around when he was pitching. |
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Post by inger on Aug 5, 2024 19:18:32 GMT -5
When I was Kid Qwik, it was Stottlemyre, Munson and Murcer. They were my first Yankees heroes (note my avatar). I only appreciated Roy White and Lou Piniella much later on. In the 80's, it was Mattingly, just like everyone else. On the Dynasty Teams, it's Bernie (the first key piece on the long road back) and Mariano, the only Yankee I've ever seen personally who could be reasonably argued as the greatest of all time as his position. ========================= I think the gap between Mo and whoever is the second best reliever is greater than the gap between number one and number two at any other position, maybe The Babe in RF excepted. Possibly in any other sport, although I haven't done a deep dive on it. Bobby Orr as a defenseman might qualify, but I couldn't say definitively. I didn't appreciate Roy White when he was active as much as I should have either. He just performed so quietly and consistently. And on mostly bad teams until late in his career. I have always liked the little factoid that Roy White and Bobby Murcer made their debuts one day apart, on September 7 and 8 1965 respectively. Mel Stottlemyre's August and September of 1964 made him a lifetime favorite of any fan who saw him. No possible way the Yankees would have won the pennant without his late season call-up heroics. I used to get livid when he was pitching coach and the fans would boo him sometimes when he came to the mound. They couldn't have been around when he was pitching. In my opinion there was only ever one reliever that can rival Mo. it’s hard to see it though. Because the game has changed so much. Hoyt Wilhelm was pretty darned amazing… www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wilheho01.shtml |
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 5, 2024 19:24:41 GMT -5
I think the gap between Mo and whoever is the second best reliever is greater than the gap between number one and number two at any other position, maybe The Babe in RF excepted. Possibly in any other sport, although I haven't done a deep dive on it. Bobby Orr as a defenseman might qualify, but I couldn't say definitively. I didn't appreciate Roy White when he was active as much as I should have either. He just performed so quietly and consistently. And on mostly bad teams until late in his career. I have always liked the little factoid that Roy White and Bobby Murcer made their debuts one day apart, on September 7 and 8 1965 respectively. Mel Stottlemyre's August and September of 1964 made him a lifetime favorite of any fan who saw him. No possible way the Yankees would have won the pennant without his late season call-up heroics. I used to get livid when he was pitching coach and the fans would boo him sometimes when he came to the mound. They couldn't have been around when he was pitching. In my opinion there was only ever one reliever that can rival Mo. it’s hard to see it though. Because the game has changed so much. Hoyt Wilhelm was pretty darned amazing… www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wilheho01.shtmlYeah Hoyt was quite a story. A very late starter, but he made up for it on the other end. |
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 5, 2024 20:57:21 GMT -5
Q: Who is the SECOND greatest post-season relief pitcher of all-time? A: Mariano Rivera, 2002-2011. 44 games, 2-0 with a 0.58 ERA. 18 saves, 3 blown. In 62 innings, 34 hits, 4 runs (earned), 0 HR, 9 BB and 47 K's, WHIP of 0.69, 1 title closed out. If you want to argue which one is the greatest and which was 2nd greatest, that's OK with me: take your pick. I choose the first despite the slightly less awesome stats because his unhittable cutter was faster during the dynasty years, because of the better save percentage, and well, 4 rings vs. 1. That's how great Rivera was; you can cut his career in half, and get the two best post-season relievers in history. And he did it all with almost no muss or fuss. He did all this against the best teams, usually the best hitting teams in baseball, and most of the work was done in the best hitting era since the Lively Ball era (1920-1939). As the old joke goes, more guys have walked on the moon then have scored an earned run on Mariano in the post-season. Kinda silly, but there it is. ========== It still annoys me that one of those 3 "blown saves" for Mo was Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS when he came into the game in the 8th inning with runners already on the corners and no outs in a one run game. Mo faced three hitters in that inning and retired them all but he gave up a game tying sac fly, thus being charged with a blown save because a worn out Tom Gordon couldn't get anyone out. Mo pitched a scoreless 9th inning in that game too, but of course, the Yanks lost in extra innings. Who knows, if Torre brings in Mo to start the 8th, they probably win the game, the series and probably the World Series too. |
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