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Post by azbob643 on Aug 9, 2024 11:56:07 GMT -5
i saw that the game just got canceled. Another doubleheader tomorrow.   Much rather that than trying to play in conditions like last night. Not a fan of baseball in inclement weather. |
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Post by ypaterson on Aug 9, 2024 11:59:30 GMT -5
If you go by "the metrics" the outfield defense of the Yankees is significantly better than that of the Angels. I don't see it. Yankees as I said are playing very New York Rangers 2024 if you look at the statistics and standings they are high and even leading categories. However you can just visually see certain games they just shut the switch off which causes them to have to put full effort in situations later they should have never been in... There's just something with this team under Boone that some games it's apparent whether it's lineups or pitching decisions or player safety that the win isn't important that day and the players seem to buy into it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk One of the great attributes of the Dynasty teams was their focus. I am not sure I've seen it since. |
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 9, 2024 12:04:37 GMT -5
i saw that the game just got canceled. Another doubleheader tomorrow. Much rather that than trying to play in conditions like last night. Not a fan of baseball in inclement weather. Nice for the fans that they don't have to travel to the Bronx just to get soaking wet and not even get to see a ballgame. |
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 9, 2024 12:05:59 GMT -5
Yankees as I said are playing very New York Rangers 2024 if you look at the statistics and standings they are high and even leading categories. However you can just visually see certain games they just shut the switch off which causes them to have to put full effort in situations later they should have never been in... There's just something with this team under Boone that some games it's apparent whether it's lineups or pitching decisions or player safety that the win isn't important that day and the players seem to buy into it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk One of the great attributes of the Dynasty teams was their focus. I am not sure I've seen it since. 1998 was about as focused as I saw a team. I know players like O'Neill and Cone have talked about how the painful loss to Cleveland in 97 drove them the next season. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Aug 9, 2024 12:16:35 GMT -5
Yankees as I said are playing very New York Rangers 2024 if you look at the statistics and standings they are high and even leading categories. However you can just visually see certain games they just shut the switch off which causes them to have to put full effort in situations later they should have never been in... There's just something with this team under Boone that some games it's apparent whether it's lineups or pitching decisions or player safety that the win isn't important that day and the players seem to buy into it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk One of the great attributes of the Dynasty teams was their focus. I am not sure I've seen it since. I don't remember which team it was but in one of the interviews during the trade deadline this year I remember one of the managers saying there was certain games he just concluded he was managing for a loss because the matchups those nights were so one sided against them. Even bad teams back in 98 still played hard but there's just this mentality across the league of this game isn't winnable from before the game even starts sometimes. Which is crazy for a sport where you can put 4 on the board with one swing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by azbob643 on Aug 9, 2024 13:01:47 GMT -5
Much rather that than trying to play in conditions like last night. Not a fan of baseball in inclement weather. Nice for the fans that they don't have to travel to the Bronx just to get soaking wet and not even get to see a ballgame. Not about to sit in cold & rain to watch a baseball game. Left the night Nomo threw his no-hitter at Coors Field after a few innings, after waiting a couple of hours for start. |
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Post by inger on Aug 9, 2024 13:06:30 GMT -5
If you go by "the metrics" the outfield defense of the Yankees is significantly better than that of the Angels. I don't see it. Yankees as I said are playing very New York Rangers 2024 if you look at the statistics and standings they are high and even leading categories. However you can just visually see certain games they just shut the switch off which causes them to have to put full effort in situations later they should have never been in... There's just something with this team under Boone that some games it's apparent whether it's lineups or pitching decisions or player safety that the win isn't important that day and the players seem to buy into it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I say they are playing beneath their pathetic-arean record… 😂 |
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Post by bumper on Aug 9, 2024 13:22:13 GMT -5
Mark of a team that isn't a true title contender, JEG. Especially this late in the season. Now, I know there are exceptions, like the 2006 Cards, who nearly collapsed out of the playoff in the last 10 days of the season, and barely wound up over .500, and the 2000 Yanks also played poorly for most of September, but the great teams, the serious title contenders are hitting 4th gear at this point of the season, about to go into overdrive. This team will need a hot Gil, Cole, Rodon, and a hot pen to get very far in the playoffs. I get what you are saying but by this definition no team in the AL is a true title contender. The Orioles have lost plenty of games like this lately and is a reason why they are tied in the standings with the Yankees. The Red Sox have cooled down and have hovered about 5 back since the last series against the Yankees. The twins royals and guardians were hot for a while but they've also went back into hovering around their same record lately. Yankees and royals are 7-3 in their last 10. Rest of the AL? No one better than 6-4 with 9 of 15 teams in the AL being .500 or worse in that span. So I dunno who really is a "true title contender" if the Yankees are not by your definition. The AL overall is just meh and it's wide open.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk pretty sure we make the PS. how deep we go is anybody's guess. don't like what i'm seeing from the pitching particularly from the starters, but judging by how everyone else is doing, no one's breaking away from the field. as always in this expanded format, it's gonna depend on who gets hot at the right time.
think flaherty could have put us over the top and would have liked to see us get a "closer", but if our "big 3" pitch up to their capabilities we get the "good" homes, who knows. could go far. schmidt would probably get that 4th game in the 7 game series.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 9, 2024 14:03:43 GMT -5
Yanks outfield defense has been a plus all season, but the Jays have three legit centerfielders, so that makes the Yankees' outifelders look weak by comparison. As measured by the three main advanced defensive metrics, Verdugo is +5 runs in left, Soto is +3 runs in right, and Judge is -1 run in center. Gisham is +3 runs in center, but has played just 422 innings in center, which prorates to about +9-10 runs over a pretty near full season. If you go by "the metrics" the outfield defense of the Yankees is significantly better than that of the Angels. I don't see it. Not exactly. The raw numbers might say that, but the raw numbers don't account for playing time. Pillar has not quite 120 innings in left; his DRS is -2 runs, but his FRV is +1. This demonstrates large error bars on the very small number of innings in left for this one season. For a number of years, Pillar was a terrific center fielder, 2nd best in the AL to Keirmaier, but he seems to have aged out of being a good center fielder. Since he was moved out of a starting centerfielder's job, the granual year-by-year data from 2020-2024 shows that that in 665 1/3 innings in left from 2020, he was +3 runs in DRS, -3 runs in UZR, nand +4 runs in FRV, I average those three to get a +1 run as his true fielding level in left. Normally I'd extrapolate the innings to make him a mostly regular, but in this case, that means going from 665 innings to 900, and from +1.33 runs to +1.8 runs, but we're talking about a small number of runs anyway. Moniak is averaging +2.3 runs across the indicators, but has played just 586 innings. Estrapolating that makes him a +3.5 runs. Now he sure looked better than that in this series, but let's see where he is at the end of the season. Extrapolating for Adell the same way makes him +3.5. The total for the 3 current starting Angels' OF is then (if you allow the multiple years of date in Pillar's case) then a roughly +9 over a whole season to this point (900 innings per position is about 90% playing time at this point, accounting for no 9th innings on road losses and the few extra innings played.) To get Verdugo on the same footing, you have to adjust his totals down, because he's played 980 inning in left, so +3.3 would be +3.1; Judge's -1.5 becomes -2.3 with his innings in center being just under 600. Soto's +2.9 stays right where it is because he's played 894 innings. The sum of the 3 is then +3.7. As close as I can analyze, recognizing the large error bars and somewhat questionable assumption of using five years data for Pillar to make up for the very small number of innings in left this season, the Angels' 3 outfielders have been +8-9 runs this year and the Yanks' 3 starting outfielders have been +3-4. I agree that the Angels oufielders were visually far more impressive in this series, but again, they're playing 3 guys who've played center in their careers. (Adell only has a bit over 100 innings in center in his career, but he had Trout in the way when he came up; Adell played over 1000 innings in center in the minors. Soto has never played center in the majors, and just 2 1/2 games there in the minors.) Visually, Moniak is clearly better than Judge in center. Adell is better than Soto in right, and Verdugo vs. Pillar is a wash; Pillar has clearly lost a step or two since he was that great center fielder with Toronto 6-7 years ago (just like Brett Gardner did), but made a couple of nice plays. Verdugo made several nice running catches himself, even if he messed up a bit in the rain on that foul pop behind 3rd in last night's game. Well, let's just face it, the last two games of the series, the Angels looked far more athletic and the Yankees looked older and lethargic. The Angels beat up on two Yankees starters, buried them in the hole and the Yanks blew enough opporunities early to make them quit later in the game in the miserable playing conditions. Might have been a different story if a couple of the 6 balls the Yanks drove to the track last night had gotten out, but they didn't. To me, the fact that they seemed to quit late in the game is more troubling, but these are the "dog days" of the baseball calendar, so maybe it's not so surprising. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 9, 2024 14:42:39 GMT -5
Mark of a team that isn't a true title contender, JEG. Especially this late in the season. Now, I know there are exceptions, like the 2006 Cards, who nearly collapsed out of the playoff in the last 10 days of the season, and barely wound up over .500, and the 2000 Yanks also played poorly for most of September, but the great teams, the serious title contenders are hitting 4th gear at this point of the season, about to go into overdrive. This team will need a hot Gil, Cole, Rodon, and a hot pen to get very far in the playoffs. I get what you are saying but by this definition no team in the AL is a true title contender. The Orioles have lost plenty of games like this lately and is a reason why they are tied in the standings with the Yankees. The Red Sox have cooled down and have hovered about 5 back since the last series against the Yankees. The twins royals and guardians were hot for a while but they've also went back into hovering around their same record lately. Yankees and royals are 7-3 in their last 10. Rest of the AL? No one better than 6-4 with 9 of 15 teams in the AL being .500 or worse in that span. So I dunno who really is a "true title contender" if the Yankees are not by your definition. The AL overall is just meh and it's wide open. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk These are valid points, anthony. I only watch the Yanks everyday, and don't see if other teams I consider true contenders aren't having bad games and series like this one. I'm only comparing this team to what I remember watching in previous seasons when the Yanks won it all. Not just with the Dynasty teams that won 4 times in 5 years; I'm also comparing them to my memories of the 1977, 1978 and 2009 championship teams. For example: The 1977 Yankees were just 10 games over .500 at this point of the season (actually a couple of days earlier). From that point, then went 41-13 to win 100 games and the division in a 3-way dogfight with the Orioles and Red Sox. The 1978 Yankees were already well into their comeback from 14 games behind the Red Sox in mid-July. They had already won 16 of 23, and would go from there to win 37 of their last 51 including the Bucky Dent playoff game at Fenway; 53-21 in all from July 17th on. The 2009 Yankees had a loaded team including 3 very expensive free-agent signings: Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira. They had lost 3 in a row and 9 of 13 to drop to 38-32 with a loss to Atlanta on June 23rd. Brian Cashman made his famous visit to the clubhouse to chew them out: Ex-Yankees pitcher reveals Brian Cashman's epic role in 2009 World Series win
By this point in the season, the 2009 Yanks had won 31 of 41 after that meeting and would go on play 34-16 ball after that, and win the title; total of 65-26, winning 103 games and the East going away. Now, they did win 8 of 9 before this, and maybe the hot stretch run has begun and this is just a 2-game blip, but I don't like the awful starting pitching, one of which was the Warren callup because of the double header. But if there hand't been a rainout, it would've been Stroman. He almost certainly would've done better than Warren, but how much better, given what we've seen lately? I didn't like the early give-ups in the bad weather. To be sure, getting 3 runs in the last two innings last night was a positive sign, even if done in "garbage time". To win this division, I think they need Schmidt back healthy and effective, and for Gil, Cole and Rodon to be rolling, well, if not every start, then nearly every start. When Schmidt gets back, I think Cortes goes to the pen; they need a long man out there, they need another lefty out there, and Stroman would take it as an insult. Plus, Cashman would have to admit an error in signing him to a 2-year deal. If Hamilton and Effross come back healthy/effective, that gives them two pretty good relievers to add to the mix. (Begs the question, who's departing for them?) It looks like Tonkin and Cousins to me, because Tonkin has struggled lately, Cousins has an option left and because Cashman will not admit he was wrong on a trade just made (De Los Santos, who also has no options left), even if it was done just to show he was doing something.) Even this may not be enough; the O's made several moves to address their weaknesses and their lineup is loaded with elite, mostly young players almost from top to bottom. Even if they don't put it all together this year, the Yanks are be going to chasing them the next 3-4 seasons. The Yanks still don't have lockdown options in the pen; every one of them gets hits hard once in a while, some more frequently than others. That will be a disadvantage against several of the teams they'll face in the postseaason, including the Indians, the Astros, and the Braves. It's baseball, and no expectations are firm enough to project a game, a series, a close divisional race, and especially not the playoffs with much in the way of certainty. But this is what I see right now. I had hoped that the Yanks had shaken off that horrendous 6-week stretch, and were refocused and starting their run, but these two bad game have given me pause. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 9, 2024 14:44:39 GMT -5
Oh, forgot to do a division status check at the end when all the game were over.
The Rays rallied late to beat the Cards, 6-4.
The Yanks enter the night's games tied with the O's for first at 68-48, the Red Sox are 5 1/2 back; the Rays are 9 games back, and the Jays are 15 1/2 back.
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Post by ypaterson on Aug 9, 2024 16:05:50 GMT -5
If you go by "the metrics" the outfield defense of the Yankees is significantly better than that of the Angels. I don't see it. Not exactly. The raw numbers might say that, but the raw numbers don't account for playing time. Pillar has not quite 120 innings in left; his DRS is -2 runs, but his FRV is +1. This demonstrates large error bars on the very small number of innings in left for this one season. For a number of years, Pillar was a terrific center fielder, 2nd best in the AL to Keirmaier, but he seems to have aged out of being a good center fielder. Since he was moved out of a starting centerfielder's job, the granual year-by-year data from 2020-2024 shows that that in 665 1/3 innings in left from 2020, he was +3 runs in DRS, -3 runs in UZR, nand +4 runs in FRV, I average those three to get a +1 run as his true fielding level in left. Normally I'd extrapolate the innings to make him a mostly regular, but in this case, that means going from 665 innings to 900, and from +1.33 runs to +1.8 runs, but we're talking about a small number of runs anyway. Moniak is averaging +2.3 runs across the indicators, but has played just 586 innings. Estrapolating that makes him a +3.5 runs. Now he sure looked better than that in this series, but let's see where he is at the end of the season. Extrapolating for Adell the same way makes him +3.5. The total for the 3 current starting Angels' OF is then (if you allow the multiple years of date in Pillar's case) then a roughly +9 over a whole season to this point (900 innings per position is about 90% playing time at this point, accounting for no 9th innings on road losses and the few extra innings played.) To get Verdugo on the same footing, you have to adjust his totals down, because he's played 980 inning in left, so +3.3 would be +3.1; Judge's -1.5 becomes -2.3 with his innings in center being just under 600. Soto's +2.9 stays right where it is because he's played 894 innings. The sum of the 3 is then +3.7. As close as I can analyze, recognizing the large error bars and somewhat questionable assumption of using five years data for Pillar to make up for the very small number of innings in left this season, the Angels' 3 outfielders have been +8-9 runs this year and the Yanks' 3 starting outfielders have been +3-4. I agree that the Angels oufielders were visually far more impressive in this series, but again, they're playing 3 guys who've played center in their careers. (Adell only has a bit over 100 innings in center in his career, but he had Trout in the way when he came up; Adell played over 1000 innings in center in the minors. Soto has never played center in the majors, and just 2 1/2 games there in the minors.) Visually, Moniak is clearly better than Judge in center. Adell is better than Soto in right, and Verdugo vs. Pillar is a wash; Pillar has clearly lost a step or two since he was that great center fielder with Toronto 6-7 years ago (just like Brett Gardner did), but made a couple of nice plays. Verdugo made several nice running catches himself, even if he messed up a bit in the rain on that foul pop behind 3rd in last night's game. Well, let's just face it, the last two games of the series, the Angels looked far more athletic and the Yankees looked older and lethargic. The Angels beat up on two Yankees starters, buried them in the hole and the Yanks blew enough opporunities early to make them quit later in the game in the miserable playing conditions. Might have been a different story if a couple of the 6 balls the Yanks drove to the track last night had gotten out, but they didn't. To me, the fact that they seemed to quit late in the game is more troubling, but these are the "dog days" of the baseball calendar, so maybe it's not so surprising. Just for clarity my comments were a little more general in nature and relied on team stats from The Fielding Bible: archive.fieldingbible.com/TeamDefensiveRunsSaved Qwik let's face it: Aaron Judge is not very good in center. In fact, his name is near the end of the list in some rankings. And neither Verdugo nor Soto has the skill or mindset to compensate, let alone replace him. IN addition, the Yankees are playing a catcher at 1st. a CFer at 3rd and a 2nd baseman who earns his money with his bat. That doesn't leave a big margin of error for their pitchers. baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2024&endYear=2024&split=yes&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=8&roles=&viz=hide |
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