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Post by kaybli on Aug 27, 2024 14:20:10 GMT -5
Lineups to come.
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Post by azbob643 on Aug 27, 2024 14:23:39 GMT -5
I recall many fans being very upset that Yanks were outbid for Corbin...
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Post by kaybli on Aug 27, 2024 14:27:29 GMT -5
I recall many fans being very upset that Yanks were outbid for Corbin... I remember that too. What a disaster he's been.
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 27, 2024 14:47:46 GMT -5
I recall many fans being very upset that Yanks were outbid for Corbin... I remember that too. What a disaster he's been.
Corbin and Strasburg helped the Nats win a World Series, but the price was extremely costly. Corbins W/L record since 2020: 2020 - 2-7 2021 - 9-16 2022 - 6 -19 2023 - 10-15 2024 - 3-12 |
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Post by inger on Aug 27, 2024 15:27:01 GMT -5
I remember that too. What a disaster he's been.
Corbin and Strasburg helped the Nats win a World Series, but the price was extremely costly. Corbins W/L record since 2020: 2020 - 2-7 2021 - 9-16 2022 - 6 -19 2023 - 10-15 2024 - 3-12 30-69, but who’s counting? They say starting pitchers records are meaningless … 🫤… |
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Post by desousa on Aug 27, 2024 15:36:38 GMT -5
I guess Trevino is still Cole's catcher.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 27, 2024 15:39:36 GMT -5
In the the second game of the series, the Nationals start veteran lefty Patrick Corbin. Corbin was selected by the Angels in the 2nd round of the 2009 June Amateu Draft, and unlike was happens to draftees nowadays, was sent right to rookie ball after signing to make 12 starts in which he got hit some, but still struck out a batter per inning and had a 4-to-1 K/BB ratio. He was sent to low A to begin 2010, and was promoted to high A after 9 decent starts. He made 11 starts for the Angels team in the California League, when at the deadline, looking for rotation help, the Angels traded Corbin and three other prospects who all later made the majors (Tyler Skaggs, Joe Saunders and Rafael Rodriguez for veteran starter Dan Haren. It's the only time in Corbin's 12-year big league career he's been traded, at least so far. He finished 2010 with 8 more outstanding, but very short, starts for the D'backs team in the California League.
In 2011, he spent the whole season in AA and while the overall pitching line was so-so (9-8, 4.21 ERA) he set the Mobile franchise record with 27 1/3 consecutive scoreless innings, and also led the Southern League in strikeouts that year. He opened 2012 there as well, and after 4 good starts the D'backs called him to the majors, but he struggled in 5 starts, so they demoted him to AAA. In AAA he made 6 solid starts in the tough pitcher's league, the PCL, so Arizona brought him back to the majors and used him in relief. After the All-Star break, they sent him back to AAA to stretch his arm out again in 3 starts, and recalled him to the majors and put back into the rotation with modest success (4-4 in 12 starts with a 4.76 ERA).
In 2013, he broke through at the major league level. In rotation the whole season for Arizona, Corbin went 14-8 with a 3.41 ERA. The team named him their Opening Day starter before training camp, but instead, he had the inevitable UCL tear and missed all of 2014 and all of April and May in 2015 after TJ surgery. His rehab started with a game at high-A in early June and three more at AA. Eight days after his last start there, he made his first start back in the majors in 21 months. He pitched very well his first 14 starts back, going 6-4 with a 2.99 ERA, before tiring late in the season and getting knocked around a bit his last 2 starts. From 2015 on, he hasn't spent a day in the minors, nor suffered any serious injuries. Corbin stuggled to start 2016, but was still 2-3 with a 3.99 ERA after 9 starts. Then he went into a long slump. He was 2-9 in his next 15 starts with a sky-high ERA of 6.75. Arizona demoted him to the pen for the rest of the season. He bounced back in 2017 with a much better season, going 14-13 with an ERA just over 4.00. In 2018, his walk year, he broke through as a top of the rotation starter, going 11-7 with a 3.15 ERA, made his 2nd All-Star team, finihed top 10 in the NL in ERA, WHIP, K's, K/9 innings, and K/BB ratio, and finished 5th in the Cy Young voting. At this point, he went free agent, and if I recall correctly, the overwhelming majority of Yankee fans wanted the team to go after him hard.
The Yanks didn't win the bidding for Corbin, obviously, and he signed with the Nationals, $140 million over 6 year, with less money the first two years, and a big-fat $34.4 million the last year, 2024. At it paid off beautifully. For one season. In 2019, Corbin became the 3rd leg of the dominant starting pitching tripod that carried the Nationals to their first and only championship, along with Stephen Strasburg and Max Scherzer. He was 14-7 with a 3.25 ERA in the regular season. In the NLDS against the Dodgers, he started game 1 because (Scherzer had started and gone 5 innings in the Wild Card game, Strasburg came in to throw 3 innings of relief) and he pitched six solid innings but took a tough loss. In game 3, he came in in relief of Anibal Sanchez and got smashed, 6 runs in 2/3 of an inning, taking the loss, but came back in the decisive game 5 and through 1 1/3 perfect innings of relief. The Nats scored 4 in the 10th to win the game and series. He threw 1/3 of an inning in relief in game 2 of the NLCS, and came back 3 days later to start game 4, going just 5 innings and allowing 4 runs, but he struck out 12, and got the win because the Nats smashed Cards starter Dakota Hudeson for 7 in the 1st. The Nats won the game 7-4, sweeping the series. He didn't pitch again until game 4 of the World Series, giving up 4 runs in 6 innings and taking the loss, but came back in game 7 to pitch the game he's best known for, coming on in relief of Max Scherzer in the 6th, with the Astros up 2-0, he threw three shutout innings, and got the win when the Nats (you know, the Juan Soto Nats; 9-27, 2 doubles 3 HR, 5 BB, 8 K, 6 runs, 7 RBI; teaming up with Anthony Rendon and Yankee-killer Howie Kendrick for most of the clutch hits) rallied for 6 in the last 3 innings of Zack Grienke and the Astros' pen. Daniel Hudson closed it down and the Nats were champs.
Since that World Series, Corbin has looked nothing like the pitcher he was in 2018-9. He went 2-7 with a 4.66 ERA in 2020, the COVID season, but everyone thought it was an aberration because of the lack of proper buildup of pitchers. It wasn't. Things just got worse: in 2021 he went 9-16 with a 5.82 ERA and led the NL in earned runs and HR allowed. In 2022, 6-19 with a 6.31 ERA, again leading the NL in losses and earned runs, as well as hits allowed. He was slightly better last year, but not much: 10-15 with 5.20 ERA, again leading the league in losses. This year, it's as bad as ever. So far he's 3-12 with an ERA of 5.73 and again is leading the NL in losses, hits and earned runs allowed. No pitcher this bad would be allowed to pitch so badly for so wrong if not for the disastrous synchronicity of his durability, his contract and the fact that the Nats have been in rebuilding mode since 2021. It's safe to say that Corbin has been the worst pitcher in the NL during that time, 4 full games BELOW replacement level over the four seasons. And he might be the worst free agent pitcher signing ever, for value compared with cost. Carl Pavano is a piker compared to Corbin because Pavano almost never pitched, and even adjust for inflation, his combined payroll cost is maybe half what Corbin's is, especially since the luxury tax wasn't as onerous as it is now. Despite all this, Corbin occasionally pops up with a good start; of his 26 starts, 7 of them are for 5-6 innings and 2 runs or less, and he has two more starts of exactly 3 runs in 7 innings. So it isn't as if he's bad every game. Against the Yanks and their huge problems against lefties, he's got a shot to throw one of the 1-in-3 good games. The rest of his seasonal numbers: 141 1/3 innings, 172 hits, 95 runs, 90 earned, 20 HR, 46 BB and 107 K's. His WHIP, as you can imagine, is a poor 1.373.
This is Corbin's 5th career start against the Yanks, and he's done well in the first four: 1-0 with an ERA of 2.84. 3 of the 4 came after his slide to the bottom: a good start against them in 2020, a decent start against them in 2022, and a tolerable start against them last season. He went 6 innings, giving up 7 hits, 3 BB and 2 HR, but held the Yanks to 3 runs in a game at the Stadium in late August. He left trailing 3-1, but got a bailout win when the Nats rallied for 4 in the 7th off of Jhony Brito and Tommy Kahnle, and the Yanks lost 6-3. In 25 1/3 career innings against the Yanks, he's allowed just 15 hits, 8 runs (earned) an insane 7 HR, just 6 BB and struck out 24. (Which means all the runs the Yanks have ever scored off Corbin have come on HRs, including the 2-run HR Torres got him for in the game last August, and they have just 8 other hits off him in 81 at bats). His WHIP against the Yanks is 0.829. Their team quadruple slash line against Corbin is a very disjointed .177/.223/.432/.655.
Repertoire: Corbin has used 7 different pitches this year, but basically stays with 5 of them: Sinker, Slider, Cutter, 4-seam and change. He also has a rarely used curve and an eephus-type curve that he's thrown twice this season. The sinker gets basically average movement both down and in on lefties. The slider gets average drops and far less than average break in on righties. The cutter gets less drop than average and average break. The 4-seamer has less rise than average and but more run away from righties than average. The change has more or less average drop and tail. The rarely used curve has less drop and far less break away from lefties than average. By run values, the change and curve are big minuses, the sinker and fastball are minuses, the cutter is a small minus and the slider is basically average. Let's face it, you have to have significant minus pitches if you're pitching as badly as Corbin is so far this year. The FB velocity and spin are both bottom 20% in MLB, but he's always gotten good extrension, and that's still top 20% in MLB. His barrel rate is above average and his hard hit rate is well above average. The line drive rate is slightly above average, the groundball rate is above average and the flyball and popup rates are below average. Both the swinging strike and called strike rates are below average and so is the CSW. Luck factors: the HR/FB rate is slightly below average, but the BABIP is a very high; 60 pts above average at .342, and the strand rate is a very low 65%. So it's not surprising that his ERA estimators say his ERA should be considerably lower: 4.54 instead of 5.73. Again: in many cases, pitching extremely badly or extremely well makes its own luck.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 27, 2024 15:46:23 GMT -5
Playing the Name Game:
Whole lotta Pats and Patricks in MLB history but not many great players with that name. The best hitter was Pat Burrell, the defensively challenged left fielder, firstbaseman and DH for three teams, mostly the Philles, in the first 12 years of this century. Had just short of 1400 hits, 300 HR and 1000 RBI, got down-ballot MVP votes in 2002 and 2005, and won rings as the everyday leftfielder of the 2008 Philies and a platoon leftfielder for the 2010 Gians. The best pitcher was Pat Hentgen, who won 131 games over 14 seasons, most of them with the Blue Jays. He pitched for the Toronto team that won it all in 1992, but didn't pitch in the postseason. He was in rotation for the Jays when they won it again in 1993, the only team besides the late-90's Dynasty Yankees to win titles in back to back in the last 46 years in MLB. Hentgen started and pitched a strong 6 innings in game 3 of the World Series that year against the Phillies. Hentgen won the 1996 AL Cy Young Award, beating out Yankees' starter Andy Pettitte and closer Mariano Rivera, who finished 2nd and 3rd in the vote.
As for Corbin, there have been just 3 including Patrick. No hitters named Corbin, ever. As for the two other pitchers, old-time Yankee fans might remember Ray Corbin, a righty swingman who pitched for the Twins for 5 seasons in the early 70's and who had good seasons in that role in 1972 and 1973. Only fans with eidetic memory would remember Archie Corbin, a righty reliever who pitched 50 innings scattered across the 1991, 1996 and 1999 seasons for the Royals, Orioles and Marlins, respectively. Gotta respect a guy who'd toil 15 years in the minors until he was 33 to get such a small piece of major league limelight.
There's also actor Barry Corbin, who has nothing to do with baseball, and has couple of Emmy nominations for Northern Exposure and also had featured roles in Urban Cowboy, Lonesome Dove and Stir Crazy (as the corrupt prison warden who coerces the Gene Wilder charater to participate in the Texas State Prison rodeos). I remember him best as the cantankerous General Carville who argued about everything with Dabney Coleman's Dr. McKittrick in NORAD's Crystal Palace while the WOPR computer tried to take the country to World War III in Matthew Broderick's movie WarGames. No reason to mention Barry, except that every time I see Patrick Corbin's name it brings to mind the actor and the movie.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 27, 2024 15:49:50 GMT -5
The Yanks send Gerrit Cole out to face Corbin in the middle game. Cole is looking for his 5th straight strong start after starting poorly after his return from the elbow injury he suffered in spring training. He's now 5-2 on the season with a 3.72 ERA. In 11 starts, in 58 innings, he's allowed 56 hits, 24 runs (earned), 9 HR and 21 BB, striking out 62. His WHIP for the season is slowly declining toward league average, now down to 1.328. He comes into this game on a 14 1/3 scoreless innings streak, having thrown back-to-back games of 6 shutout innings.
This is Cole's 8th career start against the Nats, and as with most opponents, he's pitched quite well against them: 4-2 with a 2.79 ERA. in 42 innings, he's allowed 33 hits, 14 runs, 13 earned, 4 HR, 10 BB and struck out 39. His WHIP against the Nats is a strong 1.024. These numbers come with a caveat: he hasn't faced Washington since 2020. He last pitched against them on Opening Day of the COVID season, in Washington. He got a rare 5-inning complete game, allowing 3 hits, 1 run on a solo HR by Adam Eaton, the 2nd batter Cole faced that year, walking 1 and striking out 5. The Yanks had a 4-1 lead when the rains came and wiped out the last 3 1/2 innings, getting Cole the W and the CG.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 27, 2024 15:50:56 GMT -5
Yankees' lineup vs. Corbin:
1. Torres (2B) is 4-9, 2 HR, 3 RBI, and 1 K
2. Soto (RF) is 0-4 with 2 BB and 1 K
3. Judge (CF) is 1-8 with a solo HR, 1 BB, and 2 K.
4. Stanton (DH) is 8-24 with 3 doubles, 2 HR, 4 RBI, 2 BB, 6 K and 1 GIDP
5. Chisholm (3B) is 2-5 with 1 triple, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 1 BB and 2 K
6. Volpe (SS) has never faced Corbin
7. Trevino (C) hasn't either
8. Verdugo (LF) is 0-2
9. LeMahieu (1B) is 22-56 with 3 triples, 6 HR (!!), 9 RBI, 4 BB, 4 K, 1 sac bunt, and 3 GIDP
On the bench: Grisham is 1 for 7 with an HBP and 2 GIDP; and pitchers Stroman and Leiter, Jr. are 0-2 with a sac bunt and 1-2 with 1 K, respectively.
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Nationals' lineup vs. Cole: Only 2 players on the Nationals' roster have ever faced Cole, maybe one will be in the lineup, so here it is:
1. Abrams (SS)
2. Wood (LF)
3. Garcia (2B)
4. Ruiz (C)
5. Chaparro (DH)
6. Tena (3B)
7. Crews (LF)
8. Gallo (1B) is 5-24 with 1 double, 4 solo HRs, 3 BB, 17 K and 1 GIDP
9. Young (CF)
On the bench: Corbin, his opponent tonight, is 1-2 vs. Cole
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 27, 2024 15:52:04 GMT -5
Yesterday, the Yanks got a leadoff HR from Torres, a solo HR from Wells in the 6th, another from Chisholm in the 7th and two sac flies from DJ LeMahieu to back the strong pitching of Nestor Cortes, and the Yanks took the opening game from the Nats, 5-2. For Nestor, it was his 3rd straight strong start (aided by great catches against the wall by Verdugo and Judge) and his 3rd straight win, raising his record to 8-10, and lowering his ERA back under 4.00 for the 1st time in a month. Mitchell Parker gave up 2 runs in 4 innings to take the loss, dropping his record to 7-8. Clay Holmes pitched a 1-2-3 9th for his 28th save. The win was the Yanks 5th in 6 games, pushing them to 24 games over .500 for the first time since June 23rd, at 78-54 with 30 games left on the schedule. With the Red Sox losing both games yesterday, the Yanks Magic Number for clinching a playoff spot is down to 21.
In other AL East games, the Jays and Red Sox played basically a day-night doubleheader. The afternoon game was the completion of a game suspended at Fenway in the top of the 2nd inning back in June. The game remained scoreless until the 7th, when George Springer hit a solo HR off Nick Pivetta, who "started" the resumption. They added 3 more in the 7th on a 2-run double by Guerrero and a ground-ruled double by Barger driving home Guerrero. The Red Sox got one back on a HR by Duran, but that was it; the Jays won the suspended game 4-1. Zach Pop got the last out of the Red Sox 6th, and got a cheap W when Springer made him the pitcher of record. The win retroactively made him 1-2 on the season, he's now 1-3 for the year. Chad Green gave up a hit in the 9th but struck out the side for his then 3rd save (actually his 15th this year). Pivetta took the loss and dropped to then 4-5, now 5-9 on the year.
In the regular game, the Sox took a 1-0 lead in the 3rd on a RBI single by Casas, but the Jays opened with 5 in the 5th; a 3-run HR by Springer, an RBI single by Barger and an RBI double by Clement for a 5-1 lead. The Sox got back to within 2 in the 8th on a 2-run HR by Duran, but the Jays put it away with 2 in the 9th on an error by pitcher Chris Martin in failing to handle a throw to first, and later, an RBI single by Horwitz for the final score of 7-3. Jose Berrios threw a solid 7 innings for his 4th straight win; it's also the 4th straight game he's made it through 7. He's now 13-9 on the season. Reliever Zack Kelly opened and made it through 3 scoreless innings, but long man Brad Keller came in for the 5th and gave up the 5-spot, taking the loss and dropping to 0-4 on the season. The Sox made 4 errors in the game, leading to 4 unearned runs. With the sweep of the "doubleheader" the suddenly-hot Jays have won 5 in a row (it's not 6 in a row because the win of the suspended game is credited to the day the game started back in June); the Sox have lost 4 straight and 12 out of their last 18.
The Rays flew to Seattle for the last leg of their 10-game West Coast trip and in the opener, Josh Lowe hit a solo HR in the 2nd to give Tampa the early lead, but the Mariners came back with 1 in their half on a solo HR by Polanco, 3 in the 3rd on a 3-run HR by Arozarena (now a Mariner after the Rays traded him there at the deadline) and one in the 4th on RBI single by Leo Rivas, and that's all the scoring there was, Seattle winning 5-1. Bryce Miller threw 7 innings of 2-hit ball, striking out 10 without walking a batter for the win; Miller is now 10-7 on the season. Pepiot gave up 5 runs in 6 innings, although the runs on the Arozarena 3-run shot were unearned due to an error by Caballero earlier in the inning, and took the loss, dropping to 7-6. The loss was the Rays' 4th in 5 games and they're 8-12 in the last 20. The M's are now 3-1 under new manager Dan Wilson.
The Orioles had the night off before traveling to LA to begin a 3-game series with the Dodgers.
Coming into the game this evening, the Yanks lead the O's by 2 games, the Sox and Rays are 10 1/2 and 12 1/2 back, respectively, and suddenly have to worry more about Toronto catching and passing them than trying to catch the Yankees and Orioles. The Jays remain 13 1/2 back of the Yankees, but are just 1 behind Tampa and 3 behind Boston.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Aug 27, 2024 15:55:59 GMT -5
In other East games tonight: The Jays play the "3rd" game of their "5-game" series against the Red Sox in Fenway. Yariel Rodriguez (1-5, 4.33 ERA) starts for Toronto; he's been hit hard his last 2 starts. Cooper Criswell (5-4, 4.41 ERA) starts for Boston; he pitched well and left with the lead in his last start against the Astros, but couldn't quite get through 4 2/3 innings to qualify for the win. The Rays are in Seattle to play the 2nd game of their 3-game series against the Mariners. Jeffrey Springs (1-2, 4.50) starts for Tampa; he was pitching well in four starts before the Dodgers crushed him his last time out. Logan Gilbert (7-10, 3.21 ERA) starts for Seattle; he's pitched poorly his last 5 starts: 1-4 with a 5.73 ERA The Orioles open their series at 10:10 pm in Los Angeles with Cole Irvin (6-5, 4.82 ERA) starting; this is just his 2nd start back in the rotation after being sent to the bullpen in July, and then sending him down to AAA and recalling him this month. Jack "Medical Issues" Flaherty (10-5, 3.00 ERA) pitches for LA; he's 3-0 with a 3.22 ERA and a 29-5 K/BB ratio in 22 1/3 innings since the Yanks declined to trade for him.
And at 6:45 pm in Washington, it's Cole vs. Corbin.
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Post by ypaterson on Aug 27, 2024 16:47:11 GMT -5
Any day that I don't see Austin Wells in the batting order is a day the Yankees are not putting their best players on the field.
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Post by bumper on Aug 27, 2024 17:02:08 GMT -5
gonna guess w a lefty starter and cole starting, trevino gets the start and wells sits.
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Post by JEGnj on Aug 27, 2024 17:29:09 GMT -5
I thought it wasn't outbid for Corbin it was not adding more years.
Boone likes his pets. Would not sit Gardy, would not sit Hicks, now it's Trevino.
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