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Post by chiyankee on Aug 28, 2024 18:18:34 GMT -5
D.J. gets a hit!
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Post by kaybli on Aug 28, 2024 18:19:36 GMT -5
Chisolm takes a first pitch fastball in the zone straight out to the deepest part of Nationals Park. It's a solo HR and the Yankees are on the board!
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Post by pippsheadache on Aug 28, 2024 18:19:48 GMT -5
I don't see how what Rodon did deceived the runners, which is supposed to be the key to what constitutes a balk. "Let's go now to Pipps who is with Bob Davidson to explain his favorite call." Haha, Balkin'Bob. Until Angel Hernandez came along he was my least favorite umpire ever. If it were up to me there wouldn't even be a balk rule. Let her rip.
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Post by rizzuto on Aug 28, 2024 18:20:13 GMT -5
I don't see how what Rodon did deceived the runners, which is supposed to be the key to what constitutes a balk. The OBR balk rule says nothing about deceiving runners. There is a definition of how a pitcher can throw a pitch. If he deviates from that, it's a balk. pippsheadacheRule 6.02(a) Comment: Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire's mind, the "intent" of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind: (A) Straddling the pitcher's rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk. (B) With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base.
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Post by nw on Aug 28, 2024 18:22:19 GMT -5
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6.02 Pitcher Illegal Action (a) Balks If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when: (1) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery; Rule 6.02(a)(1) Comment: If a left-handed or right-handed pitcher swings his free foot past the back edge of the pitcher’s rubber, he is required to pitch to the batter except to throw to second base on a pick-off play.
(2) The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first or third base and fails to complete the throw; (3) The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base; Rule 6.02(a)(3) Comment: Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk. A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base and is required to throw (except to second base) because he steps. It is a balk if, with runners on first and third, the pitcher steps toward third and does not throw, merely to bluff the runner back to third; then seeing the runner on first start for second, turn and step toward and throw to first base. It is legal for a pitcher to feint a throw to second base. (4) The pitcher, while touching his plate, throws, or feints a throw to an unoccupied base, except for the purpose of making a play;
Rule 6.02(a)(4) Comment: When determining whether the pitcher throws or feints a throw to an unoccupied base for the purpose of making a play, the umpire should consider whether a runner on the previous base demonstrates or otherwise creates an impression of his intent to advance to such unoccupied base. (5) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch; Rule 6.02(a)(5) Comment: A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batter’s box. With runners on base the penalty is a balk; with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted. (6) The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter; 79 Rule 6.02(a)(7) to 6.02(a)(13) (7) The pitcher makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch while he is not touching the pitcher’s plate;
(8) The pitcher unnecessarily delays the game; Rule 6.02(a)(8) Comment: Rule 6.02(a)(8) shall not apply when a warning is given pursuant to Rule 6.02(c)(8) (which prohibits intentional delay of a game by throwing to fielders not in an attempt to put a runner out). If a pitcher is ejected pursuant to Rule 6.02(c)(8) for continuing to delay the game, the penalty in Rule 6.02(a)(8) shall also apply. Rule 5.07(c) (which sets a time limit for a pitcher to deliver the ball when the bases are unoccupied) applies only when there are no runners on base. (9) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitcher’s plate or while off the plate, he feints a pitch; (10) The pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base; (11) The pitcher, while touching his plate, accidentally or intentionally has the ball slip or fall out of his hand or glove; (12) The pitcher, while giving an intentional base on balls, pitches when the catcher is not in the catcher’s box; (13) The pitcher delivers the pitch from Set Position without coming to a stop. PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk.
APPROVED RULING: In cases where a pitcher balks and throws wild, either to a base or to home plate, a runner or runners may advance beyond the base to which he is entitled at his own risk. APPROVED RULING: A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal shall be considered as having advanced one base for the purpose of this rule. 80 Rule 6.02(a) to 6.02(c)(1)
Rule 6.02(a) Comment: Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire’s mind, the “intent” of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind: (A) Straddling the pitcher’s rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk. (B) With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base.
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This is the entire MLB balk rule. It does note in the last comment the purpose of the rule. However, that is after pages that instruct the umpire to call a balk if certain criteria are not met.
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Post by nw on Aug 28, 2024 18:23:52 GMT -5
"Let's go now to Pipps who is with Bob Davidson to explain his favorite call." Haha, Balkin'Bob. Until Angel Hernandez came along he was my least favorite umpire ever. If it were up to me there wouldn't even be a balk rule. Let her rip. As an umpire, I liked Balkin' Bob. After his retirement, he often interacts with fans on umpire websites. He's definitely a personality.
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 28, 2024 18:24:50 GMT -5
The OBR balk rule says nothing about deceiving runners. There is a definition of how a pitcher can throw a pitch. If he deviates from that, it's a balk. pippsheadache Rule 6.02(a) Comment: Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire's mind, the "intent" of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind: (A) Straddling the pitcher's rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk. (B) With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base. I thought Rodon forgot to step off the rubber before calling a timeout, which is a balk when there's runners on base. A brain cramp by Rodon since he was already frustrated how the inning was going.
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Post by nw on Aug 28, 2024 18:25:17 GMT -5
Nice play by Chisolm but not good enough to get Young. This is the kind of thing that will get into Rodon's head. He needs to get the #9 guy here.
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 28, 2024 18:27:46 GMT -5
Come on Rodon. Teams that can run really make the Yankees look slow and old at times.
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Post by nw on Aug 28, 2024 18:27:48 GMT -5
Nunez singles and Verdugo makes the braindead play of throwing to home and not hitting the cutoff (which was only half his braindead action because DJ was not there to make the cutoff).
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Post by presceo on Aug 28, 2024 18:28:02 GMT -5
good lord
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Post by nw on Aug 28, 2024 18:29:12 GMT -5
It seems that any runner that gets to first automatically gets to third tonight. Wells isn't a great thrower but it doesn't help when Rodon doesn't even look at the runner.
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Post by nw on Aug 28, 2024 18:30:40 GMT -5
Flash is saying that Chisolm should be making that cutoff. I played through college and it was never the 3B cut in that situation. The 1B came in, the 2B went behind the batter-runner to first, and the SS to cover 2nd. But hey, maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 28, 2024 18:31:44 GMT -5
Almost 50 pitches for Rodon.
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Post by ill636 on Aug 28, 2024 18:31:52 GMT -5
Flash is saying that Chisolm should be making that cutoff. I played through college and it was never the 3B cut in that situation. The 1B came in, the 2B went behind the batter-runner to first, and the SS to cover 2nd. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. You are correct
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