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Post by qwik3457bb on Sept 14, 2024 15:08:06 GMT -5
Yanks were in the race in 2020, 4th in the Cy Young. Again in 2021, 2nd in the Cy Young. Average Joe in 2022 was 13-8, led the league in K's. 9th in the Cy Young, and that was a BAD year for him. He's now in his mid-30's and has adjusted to losing his top FB. He now tops at 98, maybe because of the elbow injury he suffered in the spring. Again: in this average Joe year: 4 starts against the Sox and Mets, 23 ER in 18 1/3 innings, 11.30 ERA. Against everyone else in 11 starts, 12 ERA in 61 innings, 1.77 ERA including good games against the O's, the Guardians, two good games against the Rangers. In 2020 Cole couldn't make it through 6 innings losing game 5 of the ALCS ... I believe he pulled himself at like 90 pitches ...Thanks ACE! Cole embarrassed himself in 2021 - Taking the Yankees out of the ALWC Game in the 1st inn against ... You guessed it, BOS ! He was pulled in the 6th inning of game 5 in the ALCS because he was already at 94 pitches and was pitching on 3 days' rest for the first time in his entire career. The batter before he left was Arozarena, who nearly got him for a HR. And yes, he had a bad game in the Wild Card game in 2021. But: he pitched two great games in the ALDS against Cleveland in 2022, and pitched a so-so game against the Astros in the ALCS, but it didn't matter at all: The Yanks were shutout that game on 3 hits, the Yanks didn't hit at all the first 3 games.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Sept 14, 2024 15:09:00 GMT -5
Weissert looks like he's been a positive this year in the Red Sox's beleaguered bullpen. Yanks have beaten Weissert a few games the last two season, including one big meltdown against them this year, if I remember right.
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Post by cocopugg on Sept 14, 2024 15:10:43 GMT -5
We'll find out tomorrow whether that IBB opened up a can of worms for the .500 Red Sox.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Sept 14, 2024 15:16:33 GMT -5
Not much to say about this one, Yanks taken out of it by Cole's meltdown in the middle innings. Yanks' lead back down 2 1/2 games, pending the O's Tigers game this evening.
The series finale is the usual later Sunday matinee at 1:37 pm back on YES, a battle of gopher ball specialists. Kutter Crawford (8-14, 4.09 ERA) starts for Boston; he leads the world in HR allowed, and has pitched 3 games against the Yanks already this year. One was sheer dominance, one was dominant after a poor start, and one was bad, so what will he give them tomorrow? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Carlos Rodon (14-9 with a 4.21 ERA) goes for the Yanks. He's hot on Crawford's trail with 29 HR allowed; he got undressed by the Sox in the early innings of his first start in Fenway this year, but came back to throw a good one in his 2nd start there 6 1/2 weeks later just 2 solo HR in 6 1/3 innings for an 8-2 Yankees win. What will he give the Yanks tomorrow? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Game preview done, I go to check notifications.
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 14, 2024 15:17:30 GMT -5
Weissert looks like he's been a positive this year in the Red Sox's beleaguered bullpen. Yanks have beaten Weissert a few games the last two season, including one big meltdown against them this year, if I remember right. Weissert has not given up an earned run since July 28, against the New York Yankees. The Yankees also got him for four runs on July 6.
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Post by bumper on Sept 14, 2024 15:19:12 GMT -5
looked like a give up AB by gleyber to end this misery.
the HBP in the 1st and then the IBB, shows that devers is in cole's head. the optics is not good. the walk itself was "innocent" enough. for a while teams were walking judge a lot. but if you walk devers there, you can't implode like that. can't let it bite you in the butt. but then the 5th was worse with the cherry on top being devers getting a base hit proving cole was "right" walking him. i "own" you. and of course there's cole's over 6 ERA against the sox since becoming a yankee. not good. hopefully cole bounces back from this.
the other culprit in this game was the continued ineptitude of the offense. no judge bail out or walk off. 5 hits says it all. the offense hit some hard hit balls early but the usual missed opportunities w gleyber driving in the only run. the offense was the co-gotg.
will give mayza a potg for the yankees for 3 2/3 scoreless saving the bullpen in a blowout. gave up some hits but made pitches when needed. given his 6 ERA as a yankee, the performance was a surprise and huge. hill pitched a shutdown 9th as well.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Sept 14, 2024 15:21:02 GMT -5
Not the best possible rejoinder, Cole went 20-5 with a 2.50 ERA, leading the league. Led the league with 326 K's, and was 2nd in the Cy Young voting. And he dominated in 5 of his 6 postseason starts, including game 5 when the series was tied at 2. If that's not an ace, there is no such thing, and a great staff can have more than one. Lot less pressure on the Bridesmaid than the bride That was 6 years ago and he has continued to prove he cant handle the role of ACE in NY He's also 6 years older and might be starting to lose his top stuff, as almost all power pitchers do at some point. He also probably came back from the injury too soon because the team needed him to with the injuries on the staff.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Sept 14, 2024 15:22:48 GMT -5
Yanks have beaten Weissert a few games the last two season, including one big meltdown against them this year, if I remember right. Weissert has not given up an earned run since July 28, against the New York Yankees. The Yankees also got him for four runs on July 6. Sounds right. Thanks, rizzuto.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Sept 14, 2024 15:23:57 GMT -5
Ok, notifications checked and responded to as needed. I'm going to get going; see you guys tomorrow for the series finale. Good afternoon to all. Bye for now.
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Post by bumper on Sept 14, 2024 15:39:30 GMT -5
Lot less pressure on the Bridesmaid than the bride That was 6 years ago and he has continued to prove he cant handle the role of ACE in NY He's also 6 years older and might be starting to lose his top stuff, as almost all power pitchers do at some point. He also probably came back from the injury too soon because the team needed him to with the injuries on the staff. "maybe" losing some of his stuff. last season he was a beast. this year as you said, think a lot of it was because he came back too soon. also wonder if he isn't suffering a bit from a case of "tanaka-itis" where because he didn't have the surgery, he can't consistently bring it like he used to. will be able to better judge next spring.
as for the aging of pitchers losing top stuff - think in general they "age" better than hitters. cole is 34. degrom came back the other day at age 36 after missing nearly 2 years throwing 99. verlander and scherzer also continued to be great into their late 30's before injuries took over.
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Post by ypaterson on Sept 14, 2024 15:54:06 GMT -5
After listening to Boone I know less. If Cole did that on his own he deserves all the crao he is going to get. If it a suggested strategy. fire the guy who came up with it.
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Post by bumper on Sept 14, 2024 16:38:29 GMT -5
After listening to Boone I know less. If Cole did that on his own he deserves all the crao he is going to get. If it a suggested strategy. fire the guy who came up with it. listening to cole, seems like it was a strategy discussed as an option w boone & the coaches (blake) leading up the game and that there was a discussion at least w blake prior to the inning where they decided to stay with "the plan" and be "aggressive" - ie walk devers (to me that sounds like a "passive" solution). as i've said, we've seen judge walked 19 times this season including 3 in one game. in those situations when judge is walked, it's incumbent on the offense to make the other team pay (wonder how many times we have) and just as incumbent on the pitcher to shut it down. in this case think it was unnecessary with us holding a 1 run lead in the 4th inning with the worst that happen could is a tied game. if it was later in the game and there were men on and an open base it would make more sense. but if cole executed and shuts the inning down, it's no harm, no foul and people might actually laud it as a "good" call. can recall many times on this forum when folks were screaming for us to walk devers only for him to come through with the big hit. in this case, boston won & we lost. ultimately no matter who called it, cole didn't get it done.
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 14, 2024 16:43:02 GMT -5
in this case think it was unnecessary with us holding a 1 run lead in the 4th inning with the worst that happen could is a tied game. Yep...didn't make much sense in that situation and at that point in the game.
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Post by kaybli on Sept 14, 2024 18:20:11 GMT -5
Missed the game, but what a strange move walking Devers. Just hope this doesn't affect Cole going forward. I don't think it will.
Cole's postgame:
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Post by kaybli on Sept 14, 2024 18:25:13 GMT -5
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