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Post by bigjeep on Sept 14, 2024 18:27:32 GMT -5
I was out all day! And as it turned out, I was lucky!  |
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Post by kaybli on Sept 14, 2024 18:32:59 GMT -5
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Sept 14, 2024 18:37:39 GMT -5
Oofta. Glad I missed this one. On to the next one...
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Post by bumper on Sept 14, 2024 19:20:11 GMT -5
interestingly in the first 2 games devers was 1-7 w 3 Ks (cortes) and no IBB. why didn't they IBB him in the either of those games. did the "right" situation not come up? it seems something very specific to cole. don't have a problem with giving 4 fingers in the right situation but as i said, 1-0 one out in the 4th isn't one of them.
on the other hand, cole had o'neill 1-2 in the count. just make pitches and get out the inning and no one would care. also the anemic yankee offense shares some guilt scoring only one run. wipe the slate. tomorrow is another game.
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Post by bumper on Sept 14, 2024 19:22:29 GMT -5
speaking of the yankee "offense", despite winning 3-in-row, the team is batting .178 over the last 5 games. not very good.
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 14, 2024 19:43:58 GMT -5
Missed the game, but what a strange move walking Devers. Just hope this doesn't affect Cole going forward. I don't think it will.
Cole's postgame:
It effected him the rest of this game, but the next one is clean start, I doubt there will be any carry over. |
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Post by qimqam on Sept 14, 2024 20:12:51 GMT -5
interestingly in the first 2 games devers was 1-7 w 3 Ks (cortes) and no IBB. why didn't they IBB him in the either of those games. did the "right" situation not come up? it seems something very specific to cole. don't have a problem with giving 4 fingers in the right situation but as i said, 1-0 one out in the 4th isn't one of them.
on the other hand, cole had o'neill 1-2 in the count. just make pitches and get out the inning and no one would care. also the anemic yankee offense shares some guilt scoring only one run. wipe the slate. tomorrow is another game.
Not fair to blame the offense in that game ... Cole completely took the Yankees out of that game mentally |
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Post by qimqam on Sept 14, 2024 20:16:30 GMT -5
Missed the game, but what a strange move walking Devers. Just hope this doesn't affect Cole going forward. I don't think it will.
Cole's postgame:
It effected him the rest of this game, but the next one is clean start, I doubt there will be any carry over. He might never beat Boston again but hey ... they are only our biggest rival |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Sept 14, 2024 20:33:41 GMT -5
He's also 6 years older and might be starting to lose his top stuff, as almost all power pitchers do at some point. He also probably came back from the injury too soon because the team needed him to with the injuries on the staff. "maybe" losing some of his stuff. last season he was a beast. this year as you said, think a lot of it was because he came back too soon. also wonder if he isn't suffering a bit from a case of "tanaka-itis" where because he didn't have the surgery, he can't consistently bring it like he used to. will be able to better judge next spring.
as for the aging of pitchers losing top stuff - think in general they "age" better than hitters. cole is 34. degrom came back the other day at age 36 after missing nearly 2 years throwing 99. verlander and scherzer also continued to be great into their late 30's before injuries took over.
Verlander and Scherzer definitely lost top velocity the last few years. Compensated in other ways. Scherzer failling apart physically for several seasons now, which is what happens to some power pitchers who can't adjust their approach. DeGrom keeps getting hurt for long stretch every season now. |
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Post by rizzuto on Sept 14, 2024 20:58:44 GMT -5
I guess there is just no way for Boone to communicate with Cole after the game begins.  |
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 14, 2024 21:01:57 GMT -5
It effected him the rest of this game, but the next one is clean start, I doubt there will be any carry over. He might never beat Boston again but hey ... they are only our biggest rival The main goal is to win the World Series and Boston won't be participating in that tournament. |
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Post by ypaterson on Sept 15, 2024 8:42:17 GMT -5
After listening to Boone I know less. If Cole did that on his own he deserves all the crao he is going to get. If it a suggested strategy. fire the guy who came up with it. listening to cole, seems like it was a strategy discussed as an option w boone & the coaches (blake) leading up the game and that there was a discussion at least w blake prior to the inning where they decided to stay with "the plan" and be "aggressive" - ie walk devers (to me that sounds like a "passive" solution). as i've said, we've seen judge walked 19 times this season including 3 in one game. in those situations when judge is walked, it's incumbent on the offense to make the other team pay (wonder how many times we have) and just as incumbent on the pitcher to shut it down. in this case think it was unnecessary with us holding a 1 run lead in the 4th inning with the worst that happen could is a tied game. if it was later in the game and there were men on and an open base it would make more sense. but if cole executed and shuts the inning down, it's no harm, no foul and people might actually laud it as a "good" call. can recall many times on this forum when folks were screaming for us to walk devers only for him to come through with the big hit. in this case, boston won & we lost. ultimately no matter who called it, cole didn't get it done. After hearing Boone and Cole what emerges is that the Yankee braintrust came up with the idea of the leadoff IBB to Devers to keeoi the pitchcount to a minimum. Talk about out of the box thinking ! In 150 years of baseball no one ever used that strategy for sluggers from Roger O'Connor to Aaron Judge. Yesterday the Yankee staff did. Makes me wonder what other dumbazz ideas get applied to Yankee games. Makes me understand why the team with the biggest payroll can avoid the WS. |
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Post by cocopugg on Sept 15, 2024 10:56:53 GMT -5
listening to cole, seems like it was a strategy discussed as an option w boone & the coaches (blake) leading up the game and that there was a discussion at least w blake prior to the inning where they decided to stay with "the plan" and be "aggressive" - ie walk devers (to me that sounds like a "passive" solution). as i've said, we've seen judge walked 19 times this season including 3 in one game. in those situations when judge is walked, it's incumbent on the offense to make the other team pay (wonder how many times we have) and just as incumbent on the pitcher to shut it down. in this case think it was unnecessary with us holding a 1 run lead in the 4th inning with the worst that happen could is a tied game. if it was later in the game and there were men on and an open base it would make more sense. but if cole executed and shuts the inning down, it's no harm, no foul and people might actually laud it as a "good" call. can recall many times on this forum when folks were screaming for us to walk devers only for him to come through with the big hit. in this case, boston won & we lost. ultimately no matter who called it, cole didn't get it done. After hearing Boone and Cole what emerges is that the Yankee braintrust came up with the idea of the leadoff IBB to Devers to keeoi the pitchcount to a minimum. Talk about out of the box thinking ! In 150 years of baseball no one ever used that strategy for sluggers from Roger O'Connor to Aaron Judge. Yesterday the Yankee staff did. Makes me wonder what other dumbazz ideas get applied to Yankee games. Makes me understand why the team with the biggest payroll can avoid the WS. Sadly, the game of baseball stopped being THE GAME OF BASEBALL, probably late in the last century. I view all of today's games as nothing more than an exhibition by highly paid puppets of the owners. Enjoyable at times though, but when we see them talk about "chasing records" and comparing today's "exhibitionists" with the real players (when it actually WAS a game), do they ever mention how much they juice up the baseball now in order to bring in bigger crowds? I'm sure the pitchers are well aware of it. I'm just grateful I remember the game when it was a game! |
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Post by inger on Sept 15, 2024 12:04:19 GMT -5
listening to cole, seems like it was a strategy discussed as an option w boone & the coaches (blake) leading up the game and that there was a discussion at least w blake prior to the inning where they decided to stay with "the plan" and be "aggressive" - ie walk devers (to me that sounds like a "passive" solution). as i've said, we've seen judge walked 19 times this season including 3 in one game. in those situations when judge is walked, it's incumbent on the offense to make the other team pay (wonder how many times we have) and just as incumbent on the pitcher to shut it down. in this case think it was unnecessary with us holding a 1 run lead in the 4th inning with the worst that happen could is a tied game. if it was later in the game and there were men on and an open base it would make more sense. but if cole executed and shuts the inning down, it's no harm, no foul and people might actually laud it as a "good" call. can recall many times on this forum when folks were screaming for us to walk devers only for him to come through with the big hit. in this case, boston won & we lost. ultimately no matter who called it, cole didn't get it done. After hearing Boone and Cole what emerges is that the Yankee braintrust came up with the idea of the leadoff IBB to Devers to keeoi the pitchcount to a minimum. Talk about out of the box thinking ! In 150 years of baseball no one ever used that strategy for sluggers from Roger O'Connor to Aaron Judge. Yesterday the Yankee staff did. Makes me wonder what other dumbazz ideas get applied to Yankee games. Makes me understand why the team with the biggest payroll can avoid the WS. . I let a nice older lady go ahead of me at the store and she bought the last loaf of bread…Oh, I got bread, after I drove to the next store, but it threw me off, and I hit a fire plug in the parking lot… and fell down getting out of the car. I skinned my knee, which is now infected and they’re talking amputation… |
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Post by inger on Sept 15, 2024 12:05:29 GMT -5
After hearing Boone and Cole what emerges is that the Yankee braintrust came up with the idea of the leadoff IBB to Devers to keeoi the pitchcount to a minimum. Talk about out of the box thinking ! In 150 years of baseball no one ever used that strategy for sluggers from Roger O'Connor to Aaron Judge. Yesterday the Yankee staff did. Makes me wonder what other dumbazz ideas get applied to Yankee games. Makes me understand why the team with the biggest payroll can avoid the WS. Sadly, the game of baseball stopped being THE GAME OF BASEBALL, probably late in the last century. I view all of today's games as nothing more than an exhibition by highly paid puppets of the owners. Enjoyable at times though, but when we see them talk about "chasing records" and comparing today's "exhibitionists" with the real players (when it actually WAS a game), do they ever mention how much they juice up the baseball now in order to bring in bigger crowds? I'm sure the pitchers are well aware of it. I'm just grateful I remember the game when it was a game! You sound like a bitter old fart. Welcome to the club… 😂 |
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