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Post by kaybli on Sept 19, 2024 0:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 19, 2024 8:29:02 GMT -5
Well, you can take Holmes out of the 9th, but you can't take the blown save out of Holmes. yeah he's a real problem. boone keeps going to him, "hoping" to get him going but at this point, he's a lost cause.
at this point, i'd put weaver, hamilton, kahnle, cousins and hill ahead of him. even stroman and when the PS begins, another starter goes to the pen. maybe you only bring him when we're losing or in a blowout like mayza or leiter.
hamilton looks to be back and can be a real asset.
I went to bed as soon as Holmes came into the game, I wasn't about to let him ruin my night. Seeing the game recap this morning, I started wondering how many more games the Yanks would have won this season if Holmes wasn't on this team? |
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Post by Lola on Sept 19, 2024 8:37:25 GMT -5
we're 9-3 over our last 12. so hopefully getting hot at the right time. after a terrible 6 weeks, since july 26, we're 29-18, which i believe i heard kay say was the best record in baseball over that time frame. only suzyn knows why that happens. despite holmes, in the last week, definitely winning some tough games w 2 walk-offs and now tonight's extra inning win. so despite all the warts, we have both the best road record and best against teams over .500 which augurs well for the PS. good night, alarm goes off in 5 hrs. This is a funny team.... early on they looked unstoppable. That mid season slump (nose dive) was telling. Hopefully getting hot at the right time and staying healthy are the keys to moving on... the bp (Holmes) are concerning. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Sept 19, 2024 9:48:17 GMT -5
I turned on in time to see the bottom of the 10th, that was a real heads up play by Wells. Can't help remembering how many analysts said he wasn't good enough defensively to stay at catcher. He's a real heady player who seems to do somthing positive each game even if he's not hitting. Rapidly becoming one of my favorite plaayers. He is slumping a bit and has been playing a lot more than expected. Bye's can be tricky, they sometimes cool off a hot team but I think his bat might benefit from a couple days off.
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Post by Renfield on Sept 19, 2024 9:56:51 GMT -5
yeah he's a real problem. boone keeps going to him, "hoping" to get him going but at this point, he's a lost cause.
at this point, i'd put weaver, hamilton, kahnle, cousins and hill ahead of him. even stroman and when the PS begins, another starter goes to the pen. maybe you only bring him when we're losing or in a blowout like mayza or leiter.
hamilton looks to be back and can be a real asset.
I went to bed as soon as Holmes came into the game, I wasn't about to let him ruin my night. Seeing the game recap this morning, I started wondering how many more games the Yanks would have won this season if Holmes wasn't on this team? Start with 11 or 12 blown saves. Tonight, we won despite the blown save. Of the 10 or 11 remaining, I assume we won a few. I'd guess 5 to 7 more wins. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Sept 19, 2024 10:08:43 GMT -5
I went to bed as soon as Holmes came into the game, I wasn't about to let him ruin my night. Seeing the game recap this morning, I started wondering how many more games the Yanks would have won this season if Holmes wasn't on this team? Start with 11 or 12 blown saves. Tonight, we won despite the blown save. Of the 10 or 11 remaining, I assume we won a few. I'd guess 5 to 7 more wins. I've defended Holmes more than most but now I don't even believe he should be on the post season roster. Doesn't matter how "good" his stuff is, right now his command isn't good and his confidence has to be shot. You can't use him in a tight game and he's not a mop up guy. Right now there may be better options down on the farm. |
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Post by nw on Sept 19, 2024 10:42:34 GMT -5
yeah he's a real problem. boone keeps going to him, "hoping" to get him going but at this point, he's a lost cause.
at this point, i'd put weaver, hamilton, kahnle, cousins and hill ahead of him. even stroman and when the PS begins, another starter goes to the pen. maybe you only bring him when we're losing or in a blowout like mayza or leiter.
hamilton looks to be back and can be a real asset.
I went to bed as soon as Holmes came into the game, I wasn't about to let him ruin my night. Seeing the game recap this morning, I started wondering how many more games the Yanks would have won this season if Holmes wasn't on this team? How many more games would they have lost if Holmes didn't have the terrific start he had? Unfortunately, with relievers you take the good with the bad. The Mets have learned that with Diaz and the Yankees are learning that with Holmes. I don't think there's any reason to believe that Holmes has lost it at age 31 like Kimbrel seems to have done at 37. The Yankees are doing the right thing by limiting his role and working with him to find what he has lost. That doesn't mean that I'd have him on the postseason roster at this point or that I'd resign him in the offseason, but they've got to keep trying to get him right. |
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Post by bumper on Sept 19, 2024 10:46:09 GMT -5
I went to bed as soon as Holmes came into the game, I wasn't about to let him ruin my night. Seeing the game recap this morning, I started wondering how many more games the Yanks would have won this season if Holmes wasn't on this team? Start with 11 or 12 blown saves. Tonight, we won despite the blown save. Of the 10 or 11 remaining, I assume we won a few. I'd guess 5 to 7 more wins. last night was blown save 13. gonna guess at least 8 wound up directly in the loss column. we'd by far have the best record in baseball.
don't think they'd do it but i have no attachment to keeping him on the PS roster. believe the replacement possibilities from the 40 man are warren, marinaccio, effross, gomez and beeter. you decide if any of them are an upgrade. as i said, he, leiter and mayza are the weak links in an 0therwise solid pen.
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Post by bumper on Sept 19, 2024 10:49:14 GMT -5
just saw the post below. sure it was the same for both sides but that umpiring last nite was atrocious. missed 21 calls. here's the video compilation.
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Post by nw on Sept 19, 2024 10:51:32 GMT -5
Start with 11 or 12 blown saves. Tonight, we won despite the blown save. Of the 10 or 11 remaining, I assume we won a few. I'd guess 5 to 7 more wins. I've defended Holmes more than most but now I don't even believe he should be on the post season roster. Doesn't matter how "good" his stuff is, right now his command isn't good and his confidence has to be shot. You can't use him in a tight game and he's not a mop up guy. Right now there may be better options down on the farm. None of those options down on the farm are a fit into the postseason roster, so the Yankees are doing the right thing to try to get Holmes right. If they can in the next couple of weeks, it significantly improves our bullpen. If not, you leave him off the roster. I think the Yankees are already showing you their playoff plan for pitching. Cole, Gil, Schmidt (and Rodon) are going to be your starters. Rodon in parenthesis because in the ALDS, if the Yankees get the #1 seed, the off days in that series would only require 3 starters, even on normal rest. I think when the Yankees go into the ALDS round, their plan would be Cole, Gil, Schmidt, and Rodon pitches game 4 if they're up 2-1, back to Cole if they're down 1-2. I think both Nestor and Stroman have passed their tests as long options out of the pen and both will be on the roster. That will allow Boone to work with less high leverage relievers. |
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Post by nw on Sept 19, 2024 10:54:30 GMT -5
It was good to see the Yankees celebrate last night, but honestly, it couldn't have come at a worse time. On the West Coast, with a day game on getaway day following. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a tired looking group today. Honestly, they already looked tired last night, which is not uncommon on the second day of a west coast trip.
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 19, 2024 10:57:57 GMT -5
I went to bed as soon as Holmes came into the game, I wasn't about to let him ruin my night. Seeing the game recap this morning, I started wondering how many more games the Yanks would have won this season if Holmes wasn't on this team? How many more games would they have lost if Holmes didn't have the terrific start he had? Unfortunately, with relievers you take the good with the bad. The Mets have learned that with Diaz and the Yankees are learning that with Holmes. I don't think there's any reason to believe that Holmes has lost it at age 31 like Kimbrel seems to have done at 37. The Yankees are doing the right thing by limiting his role and working with him to find what he has lost. That doesn't mean that I'd have him on the postseason roster at this point or that I'd resign him in the offseason, but they've got to keep trying to get him right. Using him in high leverage situations like last night when there are other options is foolish. There's less than two weeks to go in the season, so there's no time to get him right, bury at the back of the pen and go with others. |
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Post by azbob643 on Sept 19, 2024 10:59:59 GMT -5
Have trouble getting excited about something that's been a foregone conclusion for quite some time.
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Post by chiyankee on Sept 19, 2024 11:02:41 GMT -5
Have trouble getting excited about something that's been a foregone conclusion for quite some time. I agree, other sports don't have these wild, over the top celebrations for just making the playoffs like baseball does. I wonder if the Yankees have to pay the compensate the Mariners for trashing their visitors locker room? |
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Post by nw on Sept 19, 2024 11:04:17 GMT -5
How many more games would they have lost if Holmes didn't have the terrific start he had? Unfortunately, with relievers you take the good with the bad. The Mets have learned that with Diaz and the Yankees are learning that with Holmes. I don't think there's any reason to believe that Holmes has lost it at age 31 like Kimbrel seems to have done at 37. The Yankees are doing the right thing by limiting his role and working with him to find what he has lost. That doesn't mean that I'd have him on the postseason roster at this point or that I'd resign him in the offseason, but they've got to keep trying to get him right. Using him in high leverage situations like last night when there are other options is foolish. There's less than two weeks to go in the season, so there's no time to get him right, bury at the back of the pen and go with others. Your assertion that there's "no time" is frankly incorrect. There's a reason Boone is using him in high leverage situations, even if they aren't save situations. They want to get him right and they're going to keep running him out there, especially now with a 5 game pad in the AL East. If he can put together 4 or 5 good outings in the last couple of weeks, he gets back in the circle of trust. |
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