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Post by Lola on Oct 19, 2024 11:43:14 GMT -5
So how is everyone feeling today? Even with last nights win, I have an emotional Yankee hangover! 2 nights in a row of emotional up and down! I couldn't sleep, even with the win. I'm getting too old for this. I'm sure the players on both teams are feeling it... I hope tonights game is not another nail biter, but I feel like we'll be on the edge of our seats from the 8th inning on. Pretty good! One win away from the World Series! Let's wrap it up tonight! You’re a better man than I! *wink wink! Wrap it up sounds good to me! I hope we OCab in place of Jazz… he couldn’t be any worse… and probably a better defender. |
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Post by JEGnj on Oct 19, 2024 11:48:02 GMT -5
The Indians are getting good wood on the ball. The Yankees took 3 but not dominate. If we can end it tonight and advance that's the best thing.
YES I'm hoping to see OC over Jazz.
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 13:17:20 GMT -5
Again I dunno how doable that play is there, but Rizzo doesn't look right this whole series defensively. In my opinions... That play was harder than it looks. Similar to if someone was playing school yard handball trying to return a serve being too close to the wall after his opponent hits the ball.
Leiter was under pressure to rush his toss to Rizzo, he was close to Rizzo and tossed the ball too hard. If I'm not mistaken, that play was called an infield hit. |
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Post by azbob643 on Oct 19, 2024 13:21:44 GMT -5
That play was harder than it looks.
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 13:22:03 GMT -5
Rizzo needs to catch that. Naylor has outplayed him defensively by a lot. Leiter could have easily tagged him out as well In my opinion, if it was possible, that was the play to make. Sometimes the less the ball is thrown the better. |
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 13:40:36 GMT -5
I'm hoping to see OC over Jazz. I'm not. Jazz might be due to have a good game. |
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Post by qwik3457bb on Oct 19, 2024 13:48:31 GMT -5
It's a good thing his change has multiple looks: There's the one that dives straight down, getting batters to swing over and early or topping grounders. There's the one that dives outside, getting chases. There's the one that dives two-planes, both outside and down, in case the one that dives just outside doesn't work. There's the one that tails to the outside corner against righties and the inside corner against lefties, like the one that got Thomas in the 9th. And there's the change he starts high that drops into the top or upper part of the zone that hitters mistake for his fastball and take for strikes, especially with 2 strikes. So his change acts like two or three different pitches, really. A slider or curve dropping into the top of the zone; a splitter diving down, away or down and away (from lefties) or down and in to righties, and a sinker tailing into the zone down and in against lefties and down and away from righties, sort of a Maddux "spillback" sinker when it's thrown upper 80's. Which allows him to get away with a fastball and "just a changeup". Qwik, you make a really good point. Kahnle isn't trying to fool batters with change of speed, it's all about movement. It is that, but it's not the change of speed between pitches, as he throws the FB maybe 20-25% and ess than that in crucial spots. It's the difference between the speed of the actual changeup thrown and the perceived speed because of his arm speed on the release. That and the fact that although I think he does try slightly different grips and possibly releases to change the movement angle, his command is not pinpoint and the randomness of the where it starts and where it winds up deceives the hitter greatly. So his change works the way an elite splitter works, when he's going well. |
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Post by azbob643 on Oct 19, 2024 13:48:52 GMT -5
Leiter could have easily tagged him out as well In my opinion, if it was possible, that was the play to make. Sometimes the less the ball is thrown the better. As with many plays, easy to say in hindsight. Leiter had his back to the baserunner as he picked the ball up with his right hand. I don't think he could've tagged him. If anything, he could be faulted for not initially fielding the ball. |
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 13:49:21 GMT -5
Not a full day of rest for Weaver, but he should be ready for an inning tomorrow. Kahnle should have an inning. Advice to Boone: let Holmes have tomorrow off. And Sunday. And Monday and Tuesday, if needed. I really believe Holmes is being used at the wrong times. Give him a clean inning in the sixth or seventh, not two on and no outs. Agreed. Giving him a clean inning seems to be a must. |
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 14:00:58 GMT -5
In my opinion, if it was possible, that was the play to make. Sometimes the less the ball is thrown the better. As with many plays, easy to say in hindsight. Leiter had his back to the baserunner as he picked the ball up with his right hand. I don't think he could've tagged him. If anything, he could be faulted for not initially fielding the ball. Yep, that's why I said if possible. Weird play, tough play, and he was under pressure too. On the YES board, we both shared how much baseball we played growing up, so I'm sure we both saw how weird things can happen during a game, especially a playoff game. I can only imagine how much more pressure there is in a MLB game/playoff game. I'm not suggesting that the pressure got to him, it's more of how weird things can happen on a baseball field. Just look at the Guardians shortstop. He's an excellent fielder, yet he made 2 key errors on routine plays. If that isn't weird I don't know what is.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Oct 19, 2024 14:08:14 GMT -5
So, was Boone the only person that had confidence in Leiter last night? He pitched better than fielded.  I still am having a hardtime understanding wht Fry was given a hit. Whether you are of the opinion that Leiter should have tagged him, made a better throw or Rizzo should have caught the ball it's a play that should have been made. The ball beat him by two or three steps. Sometimes I think it simply boils down to official scorers would rather give the hometown player a hit, even if it's not earned. I find myself disagreeing with them quite often. Just an observation, I don't lose sleep over it. The most likely explanation is "degree of difficulty". When it was hit back to Leiter, it became a hard play when he "kicked" it toward the 1st base line after lunging to knock it down. Once that happened, he was running full out to track it down, and if you look at the replay 1) he almost certainly doesn't know where Fry is coming down the line because all of his attention is on the ball, and 2) he's running so hard that when he gets it and flings it at Rizzo in desperation he can't set to make an easy throw to catch and he winds up throwing it too hard out of desperation for the distance between them, handcuffing Rizzo. So it either has to be scored an error on the initial failure to play the ball or scored a hit. The score can't give an error for failing to realize how much time he had, because that's not an error, and he can't really give him a throwing error because the throw was right at Rizzo's lower abdomen of just below that and he can't really give Rizzo an error because the throw was too hard to handle for the distance between them. Throwing a ball accurately and too hard isn't a error, really. Looking at the replay again, he has to move quickly to get a piece of the ball and knock it down, or it gets to Torres too slowly to get the out. After knocking it down, it becomes a more difficult play when he kicks it toward the line in his haste to recover. In my opinion, "hit" is the correct call. |
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Post by azbob643 on Oct 19, 2024 14:10:32 GMT -5
As with many plays, easy to say in hindsight. Leiter had his back to the baserunner as he picked the ball up with his right hand. I don't think he could've tagged him. If anything, he could be faulted for not initially fielding the ball. Yep, that's why I said if possible. Weird play, tough play, and he was under pressure too. On the YES board, we both shared how much baseball we played growing up, so I'm sure we both saw how weird things can happen during a game, especially a playoff game. I can only imagine how much more pressure there is in a MLB game/playoff game. I'm not suggesting the pressure go to him, it's more of how weird things can happen on a baseball field. Just look at the Guardians shortstop. He's an excellent fielder, yet he made 2 key errors on routine plays. If that isn't weird I don't know what is.
Yep...errors are part of the game. Berti is also an excellent fielder...but almost made a critical error on the ball that was hit to him to end the game. Had that been Gleyber imagine the thread posts. Ironically, Gleyber was pinch run for after his huge RBI single in the 9th. Boone has done that several times during the season, IMO, for defensive purposes. |
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 14:10:32 GMT -5
Hopefully the Yanks will be determined to put the nail into the coffin and move on. Should be no let down, per Stanton's post game... I also thought Boone's post game was one of his best, for what it is worth.. Obviously, Cleveland is under immense pressure.. Win, advance to the WS and get the pen some rest. A Yankees win in a laugher would be welcomed. |
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 14:18:34 GMT -5
Prob even worse since other team never gets a chance to match the score in OT. I've felt this way since game 5 of the first round of the 1984 Stanley Cup Playoffs, Rangers vs. Islanders at the Nassau Coliseum. The Islanders were the better team, looking to try to win their 5th Stanley Cup in a row, The Rangers were 4th in the Patrick Division; the Islanders first, but they were 11 points better, or about 5 games in the standings. The series was tied 2-2, and the Rangers scored with 39 seconds left in regulation to force it into overtime. At some point in the overtime, I remember Rangers' defenseman Reijo Ruotsalainen ripped a slap shot from near the blue line. It shouldn't have had a chance of going in, but the Islanders' great goalie Billy Smith was partially screened, and the shot beat Smith clean...only to miss wide a bit more than a puck width. A couple of minutes later, the Islanders came down the ice and Ken Morrow scored the series-winner. The Rangers missed dethroning the 4-time champs by about 6 inches, and the series was lost a few minutes after that. Nothing in all of sports like sudden-death overtime in the Stanley Cup playoffs, especially in a winner-take-all game 5 or game 7. The chances back and forth, the great plays, the great stops with the season on the line. The penalties called or not called. Nothing like it in all of sports As an NYI fan I always said that if it wasn't for all those great NYI teams, the NYR would have won at least 1 Stanley Cup in the 80's.
Just my opinion, and I know that many will disagree. But when both the NYI and NYR are Stanley Cup contenders there's no better rivalry in sports.
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Post by Max on Oct 19, 2024 14:20:38 GMT -5
It's a good thing his change has multiple looks: There's the one that dives straight down, getting batters to swing over and early or topping grounders. There's the one that dives outside, getting chases. There's the one that dives two-planes, both outside and down, in case the one that dives just outside doesn't work. There's the one that tails to the outside corner against righties and the inside corner against lefties, like the one that got Thomas in the 9th. And there's the change he starts high that drops into the top or upper part of the zone that hitters mistake for his fastball and take for strikes, especially with 2 strikes. So his change acts like two or three different pitches, really. A slider or curve dropping into the top of the zone; a splitter diving down, away or down and away (from lefties) or down and in to righties, and a sinker tailing into the zone down and in against lefties and down and away from righties, sort of a Maddux "spillback" sinker when it's thrown upper 80's. Which allows him to get away with a fastball and "just a changeup". He throws it so much I can't even call it a change up anymore, to me it's a screwball. |
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