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Post by qwik3457bb on Oct 20, 2024 15:18:51 GMT -5
No game or series preview to be done, yet. Yanks don't who know who they'll be playing, or where, all they know is that Game 1 is Friday, October 25, on the FOX network, time to be determined.Ugh, going from Darling to Smoltz is a big drop off. Not if you play the "short porch" drinking game.  |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 20, 2024 15:28:01 GMT -5
absolutely perfect throw. rojas took a chance sending gleyber Didn't care for that decision by Rojas, because I liked the idea of the Yankees having 2nd and 3rd with no outs, with the heart of their lineup coming up. I thought it was a terrible decision. You got the heart of the order coming up and you make the first out at home plate when you are a team that has been criticized for bad base running. Gleyber looked to be laboring. In that situation you need to be 100% sure he scores. At least Boone didn't have to comment on it as he would have had to if we did not win. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 20, 2024 16:23:40 GMT -5
Right now Giancarlo Stanton for Starlin Castro is looking pretty good too. In terms of comparable talent level from an outright trade, and not considering what we gave up, only Clemens and A-Rod are in that conversation, but we ruefully have to acknowledge the very heavy baggage with those. Getting six years of David Cone for three guys nobody ever heard of was good. Tino Martinez and Jeff Nelson for Russ Davis and Sterling Hitchcock worked out well. Roger Maris for a washed up Hank Bauer and Don Larsen, not yet legendary Marv Throneberry and a very solid Norm Siebern also ranks way up there. But Soto was definitely transformative. No Soto and no way the Yanks are still playing now. No possible way. All those trade were huge wins for the Yanks...some others submitted for your consideration: The trade for Graig Nettles...you don't need to look at WAR, but i did anyway, 44 bWAR for Nettles in his 11 years with the Yanks,, plus his glove saved a tiring Guidry both against the Royals in the 1978 ALCS and in against the Dodgers in 1978 World Series. The four players traded for him: Ellis, Spikes, Torres and Kenny went on to play a combined 24 MLB seasons after the trade, and a couple had some decent seasons, but their combine bWAR in the 24 seasons adds up to about 3. If you're looking at 1 for 1 trades, Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill isn't bad, pickup of 20 bWAR, plus a batting title, 4 All-Star games and down-ballot MVP seasons, and a key part of 4 title-winning teams. Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater wasn't really 1 for 1, and the Yanks gained just 10 bWAR from it, but also 3 All-Star appearance, 2 down-ballot MVP seasons, top 10 in the Cy Young award in 1972, and then won the Cy in 1977, and basically won the 1977 ALCS with his 5 1/3 innings and 54 pitches for the win in game 5, and 1 1/3 innings and 11 pitches for the win in game 5, the next day. Willie Randolph (together with Ken Brett, who got hurt and didn't pitch and Doc Ellis who had one good season with the Yanks, even winning game 3 of the 1976 ALCS) for Doc Medich...Medich went on to compile about 9 bWAR over his last 7 seasons. Willie put up 54 bWAR in his 14 years with the Yanks. There are a few others, Cedric Durst and $50,000 in cash (a lot of cash in 1930 especially with the Great Depression just getting started, equivalent to just under $1 million today) for Red Ruffing, who won 230 games over the next 14 seasons for the Yanks and was part of 7 World Series winners...Del Pratt, Muddy Ruel and two others for Waite Hoyt and three others. 3 scrubs and $50,000 (again!) to Harry Frazee for Herb Pennock. Lastly, one of the most unusual trades in baseball history. In the early 1930s, there were still some vestiges of independent minor league teams, especially West of the Mississippi where no major league teams played; for example, the Pacific Coast League. It was common for major league teams to purchase players from elite independent AAA teams. It's how the Red Sox acquired Babe Ruth and the Athletics picked up Lefty Grove. The Yankees sort of did this in the off-season of 1934-1935. They made a trade sending two major leaguers nearly no value, Doc Farrell and Floyd Newkirk, plus two prospects, Jimmy Densmore and Ted Norbert, along with $5,000, to the independent San Francisco Seals of the PCL for a hot young outfield prospect that was an enormous home-town favorite. Seals fans were livid, but the player they traded who became a living legend in New York and throughout baseball: Joe DiMaggio. All good ones, qwik. The path for the first great Yankee teams of the 1920s went straight through Boston, as you noted. Three HOF pitchers in Hoyt, Pennock and Ruffing (still the Yanks all-time winningest righty) plus another decent pitcher named Bullet Joe Bush; excellent catcher Wally Schang also came over in the Hoyt deal, plus Jumping Joe Dugan, the Yanks regular third baseman through most of the 20s, was another acquisition from Boston. Throw in The Bambino and all of those guys came over in transactions between 1920-1929. Not a bad haul! The Nettles, Randolph and Lyle trades were brilliant and shored up the outstanding run of the 70s-80s. The Bombers have made their share of good ones. |
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Post by Max on Oct 21, 2024 13:03:49 GMT -5
All those trade were huge wins for the Yanks...some others submitted for your consideration: The trade for Graig Nettles...you don't need to look at WAR, but i did anyway, 44 bWAR for Nettles in his 11 years with the Yanks,, plus his glove saved a tiring Guidry both against the Royals in the 1978 ALCS and in against the Dodgers in 1978 World Series. The four players traded for him: Ellis, Spikes, Torres and Kenny went on to play a combined 24 MLB seasons after the trade, and a couple had some decent seasons, but their combine bWAR in the 24 seasons adds up to about 3. If you're looking at 1 for 1 trades, Roberto Kelly for Paul O'Neill isn't bad, pickup of 20 bWAR, plus a batting title, 4 All-Star games and down-ballot MVP seasons, and a key part of 4 title-winning teams. Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater wasn't really 1 for 1, and the Yanks gained just 10 bWAR from it, but also 3 All-Star appearance, 2 down-ballot MVP seasons, top 10 in the Cy Young award in 1972, and then won the Cy in 1977, and basically won the 1977 ALCS with his 5 1/3 innings and 54 pitches for the win in game 5, and 1 1/3 innings and 11 pitches for the win in game 5, the next day. Willie Randolph (together with Ken Brett, who got hurt and didn't pitch and Doc Ellis who had one good season with the Yanks, even winning game 3 of the 1976 ALCS) for Doc Medich...Medich went on to compile about 9 bWAR over his last 7 seasons. Willie put up 54 bWAR in his 14 years with the Yanks. There are a few others, Cedric Durst and $50,000 in cash (a lot of cash in 1930 especially with the Great Depression just getting started, equivalent to just under $1 million today) for Red Ruffing, who won 230 games over the next 14 seasons for the Yanks and was part of 7 World Series winners...Del Pratt, Muddy Ruel and two others for Waite Hoyt and three others. 3 scrubs and $50,000 (again!) to Harry Frazee for Herb Pennock. Lastly, one of the most unusual trades in baseball history. In the early 1930s, there were still some vestiges of independent minor league teams, especially West of the Mississippi where no major league teams played; for example, the Pacific Coast League. It was common for major league teams to purchase players from elite independent AAA teams. It's how the Red Sox acquired Babe Ruth and the Athletics picked up Lefty Grove. The Yankees sort of did this in the off-season of 1934-1935. They made a trade sending two major leaguers nearly no value, Doc Farrell and Floyd Newkirk, plus two prospects, Jimmy Densmore and Ted Norbert, along with $5,000, to the independent San Francisco Seals of the PCL for a hot young outfield prospect that was an enormous home-town favorite. Seals fans were livid, but the player they traded who became a living legend in New York and throughout baseball: Joe DiMaggio. All good ones, qwik. The path for the first great Yankee teams of the 1920s went straight through Boston, as you noted. Three HOF pitchers in Hoyt, Pennock and Ruffing (still the Yanks all-time winningest righty) plus another decent pitcher named Bullet Joe Bush; excellent catcher Wally Schang also came over in the Hoyt deal, plus Jumping Joe Dugan, the Yanks regular third baseman through most of the 20s, was another acquisition from Boston. Throw in The Bambino and all of those guys came over in transactions between 1920-1929. Not a bad haul! The Nettles, Randolph and Lyle trades were brilliant and shored up the outstanding run of the 70s-80s. The Bombers have made their share of good ones. The Chambliss/Tidrow trade was another good trade for the Yankees. Even though one of my favorite Yankees was traded to Cleveland (Fritz Peterson). |
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Post by inger on Oct 21, 2024 13:56:52 GMT -5
All good ones, qwik. The path for the first great Yankee teams of the 1920s went straight through Boston, as you noted. Three HOF pitchers in Hoyt, Pennock and Ruffing (still the Yanks all-time winningest righty) plus another decent pitcher named Bullet Joe Bush; excellent catcher Wally Schang also came over in the Hoyt deal, plus Jumping Joe Dugan, the Yanks regular third baseman through most of the 20s, was another acquisition from Boston. Throw in The Bambino and all of those guys came over in transactions between 1920-1929. Not a bad haul! The Nettles, Randolph and Lyle trades were brilliant and shored up the outstanding run of the 70s-80s. The Bombers have made their share of good ones. The Chambliss/Tidrow trade was another good trade for the Yankees. Even though one of my favorite Yankees was traded to Cleveland (Fritz Peterson). The Kekich/Peterson swap worked out great for Kekich and the former Mrs. Peterson. Not so much for Peterson and the former Mrs. Kekich… |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 21, 2024 14:00:30 GMT -5
The Chambliss/Tidrow trade was another good trade for the Yankees. Even though one of my favorite Yankees was traded to Cleveland (Fritz Peterson). The Kekich/Peterson swap worked out great for Kekich and the former Mrs. Peterson. Not so much for Peterson and the former Mrs. Kekich… What about the family pets? |
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Post by inger on Oct 21, 2024 14:02:50 GMT -5
The Kekich/Peterson swap worked out great for Kekich and the former Mrs. Peterson. Not so much for Peterson and the former Mrs. Kekich… What about the family pets? We have to assume the new Kekich family had it best due to stability…The new Petersons only made it about 2.5 years. Somebody lost a “daddy”… |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 22, 2024 18:44:18 GMT -5
MLB Network is replaying Game 5 if anyone wants to relive the Yanks clinching the AL Pennant.
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Post by inger on Oct 22, 2024 20:27:53 GMT -5
MLB Network is replaying Game 5 if anyone wants to relive the Yanks clinching the AL Pennant. Thanks Chi! Watched on the 65” screen. Fast forwarded through the boring parts… 🤓 |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 22, 2024 21:19:59 GMT -5
MLB Network is replaying Game 5 if anyone wants to relive the Yanks clinching the AL Pennant. Thanks Chi! Watched on the 65” screen. Fast forwarded through the boring parts… 🤓 Yeah, things got really interesting in the top of the 6th.  |
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