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Post by cocopugg on Oct 26, 2024 9:07:42 GMT -5
No, you can clearly see in the video replay that the ball was definitely in front of the wall, and below the fence. They made the correct call. Good thing they didn't have instant replays deciding the calls in 1996, or we might have only 26 WS championships today instead of 27! |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 26, 2024 9:14:44 GMT -5
I think he was being sarcastic, sardonic, derisive, whatever word you want to use. Nestor should only be used in a blowout we’re losing…other than that I don’t even know why he’s on the roster! They wanted another lefty in the pen and I'm sure he could be useful in spots, but you have to use the right spots not save the first game of the World Series with Ohtani, Betts, Freeman in your way. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 26, 2024 9:17:37 GMT -5
No, you can clearly see in the video replay that the ball was definitely in front of the wall, and below the fence. They made the correct call. Good thing they didn't have instant replays deciding the calls in 1996, or we might have only 26 WS championships today instead of 27! I agree the glove was in front of the wall but it was also higher than the fence when the ball enters the glove. It then drops quickly below the fence after the ball is caught. It's hard to tell how far his arm was on the field and what tragectory the ball would have taken if not interferred with. Look at the still picture and tell me the ball was below the fence when it entered the glove. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 26, 2024 9:19:24 GMT -5
Tough loss, and while I've been a defender of Boone in the past, I agree he had a terrible game and it started with his decison to take Cole out so early. I would have allowed him to try to finish the 7th. I've mentioned before that I thought the Yankees were a below average defensive team, I know the metrics say otherwise but they just don't pass the eye test for me and it's not just crucial errors, it's also not making the plays that should be made which aren't scored as errors. Hopefully we see a bounce back game today but that was a painful loss. Kay said on the post game that he heard that Cole was not physically feeling the best there (remember like a month ago he had a similar exhaustion thing). Nothing wrong overall, but some starts he just doesn't have the stamina to go farther this year. |
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Post by qimqam on Oct 26, 2024 9:24:48 GMT -5
3 biggest problems that costs the yankees this game
1 - Taking Cole Out to Early (Not Hindsight - he was pitching great and only threw 88 pitches)
2 - Pinch Running for Gleyber? Why??? Gleyber is a capable runner (He's not Stanton or Rizzo) You weaken your offense and defense for the rest of the game ... Absolutely unnecesaay move
3 - And of Course Pitching a guy that hasnt pitched in a month and half when you have a guy that has been solid ready to go! Nester should have been nothing more than a last resort ... or rather than Mayza
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 26, 2024 9:30:09 GMT -5
Tough loss, and while I've been a defender of Boone in the past, I agree he had a terrible game and it started with his decison to take Cole out so early. I would have allowed him to try to finish the 7th. I've mentioned before that I thought the Yankees were a below average defensive team, I know the metrics say otherwise but they just don't pass the eye test for me and it's not just crucial errors, it's also not making the plays that should be made which aren't scored as errors. Hopefully we see a bounce back game today but that was a painful loss. Kay said on the post game that he heard that Cole was not physically feeling the best there (remember like a month ago he had a similar exhaustion thing). Nothing wrong overall, but some starts he just doesn't have the stamina to go farther this year. That is an issue. Going into the postseason I thought Cole's abbreviated season might work in his favor in October. His innings total this year is a modest 120. The lack of endurance is concerning. |
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Post by qimqam on Oct 26, 2024 9:32:39 GMT -5
No, you can clearly see in the video replay that the ball was definitely in front of the wall, and below the fence. They made the correct call. Good thing they didn't have instant replays deciding the calls in 1996, or we might have only 26 WS championships today instead of 27! I agree the glove was in front of the wall but it was also higher than the fence when the ball enters the glove. It then drops quickly below the fence after the ball is caught. It's hard to tell how far his arm was on the field and what tragectory the ball would have taken if not interferred with. Look at the still picture and tell me the ball was below the fence when it entered the glove. Agree with this ... I was saying the same during the replay and I thought they might change the call Should be inconclusive and go to the Road team in that case |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 26, 2024 9:36:06 GMT -5
Kay said on the post game that he heard that Cole was not physically feeling the best there (remember like a month ago he had a similar exhaustion thing). Nothing wrong overall, but some starts he just doesn't have the stamina to go farther this year. That is an issue. Going into the postseason I thought Cole's abbreviated season might work in his favor in October. His innings total this year is a modest 120. The lack of endurance is concerning. Yea I hope he can figure that out in the off season. Having said that the clincher against KC an amazing start. So we know it's there. Remember that start a month ago he had to come out for the same thing? It's just kinda random when it happens it seems like. I was wondering why he didn't even fight to stay in. |
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Post by azbob643 on Oct 26, 2024 9:38:45 GMT -5
You're playing "what if" again. One AB/defensive "misplay" doesn't equal a loss. Gleyber should've kept Soto's throw in front of him, but to pin the loss on one misplay is a gross oversimplification. Ok well the entire post game crew that has way more baseball experience than me or you pointed out Gleyber and Osalwados plays as 2 of the 3 the biggest reasons they lost other than bringing in Nestor. None of them saw any other issues with the bullpen. You can't give teams 4 or 5 outs in an inning. Nothing the bullpen did caused that. It doesn't take much "baseball experience" to understand that Gleyber's misplay and Cabrera's failure to field Edman's ball were factors in the loss, as were Ohtani's double and Freeman's HR. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 26, 2024 9:40:58 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Verdugo for having a solid game tonight. 2 great catches and had a hit. He hasn't been perfect or anything, but he's had these solid plays/abs at times this post season at times obv you want some more power and a higher OPS, but he's had some key moments. The catches were great but he's hitting .200 in the postseason with a .539 OPS. |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 26, 2024 9:46:58 GMT -5
Gotta give it to Verdugo for having a solid game tonight. 2 great catches and had a hit. He hasn't been perfect or anything, but he's had these solid plays/abs at times this post season at times obv you want some more power and a higher OPS, but he's had some key moments. The catches were great but he's hitting .200 in the postseason with a .539 OPS. After the game Verdugo admitted that he did not know the rule about the advance of runners when a fielder lands in the stands. It is 100% specualtion, but I wonder if he could have kept himself from falling over if he knew the consequences. IMO he should have known the rule as the same ball could have been hit with a runner on 3rd/ |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 26, 2024 9:47:55 GMT -5
Ok well the entire post game crew that has way more baseball experience than me or you pointed out Gleyber and Osalwados plays as 2 of the 3 the biggest reasons they lost other than bringing in Nestor. None of them saw any other issues with the bullpen. You can't give teams 4 or 5 outs in an inning. Nothing the bullpen did caused that. It doesn't take much "baseball experience" to understand that Gleyber's misplay and Cabrera's failure to field Edman's ball were factors in the loss, as were Ohtani's double and Freeman's HR. You're missing the point that if Ohtani's double STAYED a double. They likely don't score there and the score is 2-1 going into the 9th. It became a double plus an error allowing the runner going to third. Freemans ab likely doesnt even happen if the doesn't happen. |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 26, 2024 9:49:35 GMT -5
Ok well the entire post game crew that has way more baseball experience than me or you pointed out Gleyber and Osalwados plays as 2 of the 3 the biggest reasons they lost other than bringing in Nestor. None of them saw any other issues with the bullpen. You can't give teams 4 or 5 outs in an inning. Nothing the bullpen did caused that. It doesn't take much "baseball experience" to understand that Gleyber's misplay and Cabrera's failure to field Edman's ball were factors in the loss, as were Ohtani's double and Freeman's HR. I am sure Dodger fans would be saying the same things about Edmans if Freeman had missed Nestor's pitch and popped it up. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 26, 2024 9:53:12 GMT -5
Your weakness always comes back to haunt you! We haven't had a "REAL" closer this year and when you parade out pitchers like Cousins and Cortes in such a big game, as closers, your in big trouble! Holmes was never a true closer and now we pay the price! The real closer got 5 outs earlier in the game. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 26, 2024 9:53:27 GMT -5
It doesn't take much "baseball experience" to understand that Gleyber's misplay and Cabrera's failure to field Edman's ball were factors in the loss, as were Ohtani's double and Freeman's HR. I am sure Dodger fans would be saying the same things about Edmans if Freeman had missed Nestor's pitch and popped it up. Exactly errors that give extra outs are factors in losses. I dunno why this is even being argued. The bullpen was fine before Nestor. I'll give criticizing the lux walk, but I can't fault Weaver for giving up a sac fly when its an out, Kahnle for giving up a double that turns into a 3rd base from nothing he did to give up that 3rd base. |
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