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Post by Max on Oct 26, 2024 11:50:28 GMT -5
judge I guess gets too nervous in the play offs. I doubt it, because he hit 62 HRs under pressure playing for the Yankees in the media capital of the world. |
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Post by Max on Oct 26, 2024 11:52:14 GMT -5
wells called out on strikes. On a meatball right down the middle of the plate. |
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Post by bumper on Oct 26, 2024 11:55:41 GMT -5
Some voices are heard more clearly than others:It was a move Yankees legend Derek Jeter couldn't understand. “Look, I know we talk about this all the time and I don’t want to be one of those guys who says, ‘Back in the day when we played,’ but we were talking about how when we played the Mets in 2000 Al Leiter pitched Game 6 and threw 140-something pitches,” Jeter said on the Fox postgame show. “Gerrit Cole was dominating this game. He was dominating the game. And if you take him out after 88 pitches for, I don’t know what reason, it’s a domino effect on not only this game tonight, but tomorrow’s game and the rest of the series. I just think when you have someone who’s dealing like Gerrit Cole was dealing tonight, you leave him out there as long as you can.” www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/derek-jeter-rips-yankees-manager-for-pulling-gerrit-cole-early-in-game-1/ar-AA1sYwrZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7b38cec53bbe46d3bf9fb02c503c7113&ei=12 i saw a different game than jeter. cole was not "dominating". only had 4 Ks. got hit very hard in the 1st but then settled in. once again in the 6th (3rd time through the order), 3 of the 4 balls were hard hit. i thought he was done. in the 7th, teoscar put on a tough 8 pitch AB resulting in a hit. boone had seen enough. this was not CY cole. clearly not at full strength. we've seen it all season. jeter hasn't. however totally agree w the domino effect comment. with pitching, what happens in one game ripples through the next couple games. |
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Post by Max on Oct 26, 2024 12:00:05 GMT -5
You can miss almost everywhere with a first pitch FB to a lefty power hitter except down and in, and that's where Nestor missed. Nestor wants to challenge and get ahead, but probably should've thrown something else. Ah, hell that's just 2nd guessing. Yanks chances of winning the series dealt a crushing blow, 1 out away from taking homefield away in game 1 I could be wrong, but I didn't think it was a bad pitcher's pitch. The problem was that Cortes didn't have enough mustard on that pitch. I think Cortes' pitch to Ohtani was a bigger meatball. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Oct 26, 2024 12:08:42 GMT -5
I agree the glove was in front of the wall but it was also higher than the fence when the ball enters the glove. It then drops quickly below the fence after the ball is caught. It's hard to tell how far his arm was on the field and what tragectory the ball would have taken if not interferred with. Look at the still picture and tell me the ball was below the fence when it entered the glove. agree. think the ball was above the wall and would have hit the top of the wall. then it's a matter of which way it bounces. things eventually balance out in baseball even if in this case it took 28 years  .
in another post, you thought boone should have left cole in. disagree. even in the game thread after the 6th, i said i thought cole was done. had 3 hard hit balls in the inning. a peeve of mine (and i understand why they do it) is managers leaving their starter in to start another inning and going batter to batter until someone gets on. invariably the pitcher allows a hit or walk and now you're bringing a reliever in with men on base. particularly in holme's case, i want him starting a clean inning. he can create enough trouble on his own.
Bumper, I get your point about Cole but I think I'd still take an 80% Cole over Holmes at this stage of the season. If we had more reliable guys in the pen, I would agree with you but outside of Weaver I don't have a great deal of trust in anyone. |
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Post by ypaterson on Oct 26, 2024 12:12:25 GMT -5
Some voices are heard more clearly than others:It was a move Yankees legend Derek Jeter couldn't understand. “Look, I know we talk about this all the time and I don’t want to be one of those guys who says, ‘Back in the day when we played,’ but we were talking about how when we played the Mets in 2000 Al Leiter pitched Game 6 and threw 140-something pitches,” Jeter said on the Fox postgame show. “Gerrit Cole was dominating this game. He was dominating the game. And if you take him out after 88 pitches for, I don’t know what reason, it’s a domino effect on not only this game tonight, but tomorrow’s game and the rest of the series. I just think when you have someone who’s dealing like Gerrit Cole was dealing tonight, you leave him out there as long as you can.” www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/derek-jeter-rips-yankees-manager-for-pulling-gerrit-cole-early-in-game-1/ar-AA1sYwrZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7b38cec53bbe46d3bf9fb02c503c7113&ei=12 i saw a different game than jeter. cole was not "dominating". only had 4 Ks. got hit very hard in the 1st but then settled in. once again in the 6th (3rd time through the order), 3 of the 4 balls were hard hit. i thought he was done. in the 7th, teoscar put on a tough 8 pitch AB resulting in a hit. boone had seen enough. this was not CY cole. clearly not at full strength. we've seen it all season. jeter hasn't. however totally agree w the domino effect comment. with pitching, what happens in one game ripples through the next couple games.
As for the dominating Cole, I did not see enough of the game. I don't think it is easy to judge from television either. What I am thinking is that if a 34 year old Cole cannot give me 110 pitches in the World Series after working 120 innings this year, I have real questions about picking up an option year on that deal. |
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Post by Max on Oct 26, 2024 12:21:07 GMT -5
A few thoughts about Game 1: Part 1: I figure that I'm in the minority here, but I thought Boone pitching Cortes was the right call. But, I also thought that Cortes should have started the inning. As for him not pitching in a month, if that was an issue for the Yankees then he shouldn't be on the world series roster. But he is on the roster, so what better time to use him in an extra inning game when the Yankees have already used their Closer. If Cortes isn't going to pitch in that situation, then when should he pitch since he's not going to start? Hill is pitching well, but he isn't exactly Sparky Lyle. In my opinion, out of the options of pitching Cousins, Hill, or Cortes, Cortes has the most talent. Yeah, the Yankees lost, but at least they lost with their best option on the mound at that time. There was also Stroman, Mark Leiter Jr, and Mayza, but I don't think any of them are any better. If we believe Boone's post game the Cortes vs Hill thing was decided when he felt Hill would be likelier to give up a ground ball there which would maybe score the runner from third if it was not fielded cleanly or something. I do agree the timing of the pitching decision seems to be what had the most negative effect of anything. The inning started out with the bottom of the order Smith, Lux, Edman. Those are guys you need to get out for sure. The reason why I thought Cortes should have started the inning was because the inning started out with the bottom of the Dodgers lineup. |
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Post by bumper on Oct 26, 2024 12:29:49 GMT -5
agree. think the ball was above the wall and would have hit the top of the wall. then it's a matter of which way it bounces. things eventually balance out in baseball even if in this case it took 28 years .
in another post, you thought boone should have left cole in. disagree. even in the game thread after the 6th, i said i thought cole was done. had 3 hard hit balls in the inning. a peeve of mine (and i understand why they do it) is managers leaving their starter in to start another inning and going batter to batter until someone gets on. invariably the pitcher allows a hit or walk and now you're bringing a reliever in with men on base. particularly in holme's case, i want him starting a clean inning. he can create enough trouble on his own.
Bumper, I get your point about Cole but I think I'd still take an 80% Cole over Holmes at this stage of the season. If we had more reliable guys in the pen, I would agree with you but outside of Weaver I don't have a great deal of trust in anyone. agree. a "gassed" cole is probably better than holmes. at this point, i prefer cousins over holmes. but really once you get past weaver & kahnle, it's not a scary bullpen. hill & cousins were great against cleveland but neither are considered high leverage guys like the guardian or dodger relievers. |
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Post by bumper on Oct 26, 2024 12:33:17 GMT -5
i saw a different game than jeter. cole was not "dominating". only had 4 Ks. got hit very hard in the 1st but then settled in. once again in the 6th (3rd time through the order), 3 of the 4 balls were hard hit. i thought he was done. in the 7th, teoscar put on a tough 8 pitch AB resulting in a hit. boone had seen enough. this was not CY cole. clearly not at full strength. we've seen it all season. jeter hasn't. however totally agree w the domino effect comment. with pitching, what happens in one game ripples through the next couple games.
As for the dominating Cole, I did not see enough of the game. I don't think it is easy to judge from television either. What I am thinking is that if a 34 year old Cole cannot give me 110 pitches in the World Series after working 120 innings this year, I have real questions about picking up an option year on that deal. coming back from the injury, don't think we saw the "full strength" cole this season. hopefully he's better next season but again, maybe it's like the tanaka situation, where you dodge the TJ surgery and you're still "good" but never are full strength again. we'll see. |
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Post by bumper on Oct 26, 2024 12:41:24 GMT -5
aside from the avalanche of 2nd guess and coulda/shouda, there were some positives ...
jazz had 2 hits and created that lead run with his speed. perhaps he's gonna be the force in the middle of that lineup that he needs to be.
a bit under the radar was volpe's AB in the 10th, putting the ball in play to drive jazz in with the lead run at the time.
stanton again w a HR.
gleyber aside from the huge misplay or whatever you wanna call it, did have 2 more hits including an almost HR.
soto on base 3 of 5 times.
2 great plays by verdugo including doing the jeter dive into the stands thing.
somehow wells needs to get going. pretty much an automatic out.
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Post by qwik3457bb on Oct 26, 2024 15:02:43 GMT -5
You can miss almost everywhere with a first pitch FB to a lefty power hitter except down and in, and that's where Nestor missed. Nestor wants to challenge and get ahead, but probably should've thrown something else. Ah, hell that's just 2nd guessing. Yanks chances of winning the series dealt a crushing blow, 1 out away from taking homefield away in game 1 I could be wrong, but I didn't think it was a bad pitcher's pitch. The problem was that Cortes didn't have enough mustard on that pitch. I think Cortes' pitch to Ohtani was a bigger meatball. In terms of being closer to the center of the zone, yes, the pitch to Ohtani was closer to the center. But left-hand power hitters, far more than righties, love the pitch into what I call the "drop-the-bat-happy-zone) waist high to the knees, middle of the plate to the inside corner. Amazing as it seems, the fastballs to Ohtani and to Freeman were almost exactly the same velocity, but Ohtani hesitates for the a moment so that the FB above and inside of middle-middle tied him up a bit, whereas Freeman was looking FB first pitch and Cortes gave him in his natural pull for power zone, and he dropped the bat on it, and pulled it way out of the park. To be fair, neither was in a "good" location. Think of hitters like Oscar Gamble and Bobby Murcer and even Mickey Rivers and Roy White when batting left-handed, as well as more modern guys like Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira. They would do this constantly at home. |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 26, 2024 15:14:08 GMT -5
Is it just me or does Boone seem to have an odd relationship with Kahnle? Seems like he trusts him enough to be the 8th inning guy but yanks him at the first sign of trouble. Typical Boone move. Boone yanked Cole after one measly single in the seventh. Boone never takes the cash, always wanting to know what's behind door number three. |
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Post by qimqam on Oct 26, 2024 16:19:04 GMT -5
i saw a different game than jeter. cole was not "dominating". only had 4 Ks. got hit very hard in the 1st but then settled in. once again in the 6th (3rd time through the order), 3 of the 4 balls were hard hit. i thought he was done. in the 7th, teoscar put on a tough 8 pitch AB resulting in a hit. boone had seen enough. this was not CY cole. clearly not at full strength. we've seen it all season. jeter hasn't. however totally agree w the domino effect comment. with pitching, what happens in one game ripples through the next couple games.
As for the dominating Cole, I did not see enough of the game. I don't think it is easy to judge from television either. What I am thinking is that if a 34 year old Cole cannot give me 110 pitches in the World Series after working 120 innings this year, I have real questions about picking up an option year on that deal. Cole could opt out after this season and become a FA (I hope he does) If he does the Yankees can void the opt out by adding another year (2029) @ $36M (that would be foolish) I don't think Cole will execise the Opt out coming off a half season of Elbow injury If he does ... the Yankees should absolutely let him walk and go after Burns |
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Post by cocopugg on Oct 26, 2024 17:08:29 GMT -5
For me the story to that story is the source of the opinion. Jeter is well known for saying nothing...no matter how many words he needs to say it. I am wondering why he chose to so clearly let his feelings known.
As for the dominating Cole, I did not see enough of the game. I don't think it is easy to judge from television either. What I am thinking is that if a 34 year old Cole cannot give me 110 pitches in the World Series after working 120 innings this year, I have real questions about picking up an option year on that deal. Cole could opt out after this season and become a FA (I hope he does) If he does the Yankees can void the opt out by adding another year (2029) @ $36M (that would be foolish) I don't think Cole will execise the Opt out coming off a half season of Elbow injury If he does ... the Yankees should absolutely let him walk and go after Burns I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post. I hope the Yankees win it all this year, because they won't be coming back to the World Series stage again for a long time...most of their star players are getting old, they're not defensively strong, bad base running, weak pen, questionable starting rotation...combine that with the youth movement of a strong Orioles team, and younger teams that are rising like Cleveland and the Royals, and this season looks more like win it NOW is a must. This is NOT the 1976 Yankees, that only got better after they lost to the Big Red Machine. |
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Post by azbob643 on Oct 26, 2024 17:23:19 GMT -5
I hope the Yankees win it all this year, because they won't be coming back to the World Series stage again for a long time...most of their star players are getting old... 3 players in the starting lineup over 30...Judge (32) / Stanton (34) / Rizzo (34) and Rizzo will be replaced next year. |
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