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Post by greatfatness on Oct 1, 2019 6:26:50 GMT -5
My Steelers won't go 0-16. That's all I got. What a miserable performance by the Bengals. I needed some points out of Tyler Boyd. Didn't get it. [img alt="  " class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/gszgVuvxUtZEFrgJSkis.gif"] The Bengals are terrible. Maybe as bad as the Dolphins |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 1, 2019 9:20:34 GMT -5
My Steelers won't go 0-16. That's all I got. I didn’t realize they were still winless. Is Big Ben on the way out, Chi?... On the other hand, I’m stunned that the Colts are 2-2 and tied for first. I’m really not watching them. I tried this week, but they were blacked out and I got the Pats/Bills and just couldn’t decelop an interest in watching. I’ve gone through these little football slumps before where for a year or two my interest just dies. Then, somehow something gets my attention and I start watching more... Ben is out for the season with an elbow injury. He had surgery but it wasn't Tommy John, however, he's older and he's never been know to be a workout warrior during the off season, so who knows what he will have left next fall. The only NFL games I've seen this season are last night's and Sunday night's Cowboy/Saints game, mainly because there was no baseball games on either night. My interest in the league has gone down, mostly because of all the rule changes and the style of play, the latest being all these ridiculous pass interference calls that we're seeing. I get it that the Saints got screwed in the NFC championship game last season, but the league is going overboard and calling way too many of these penalties. It's hurting the game. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 1, 2019 9:22:36 GMT -5
What a miserable performance by the Bengals. I needed some points out of Tyler Boyd. Didn't get it. [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/gszgVuvxUtZEFrgJSkis.gif" class="smile" alt=" "] The Bengals are terrible. Maybe as bad as the Dolphins Cincy looked really bad last night, plus they pretty much quit midway through the second half. |
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Post by inger on Oct 1, 2019 11:31:58 GMT -5
Football was created as a way men could go out and beat the tar out of each other in the mud, rain, snow and freezing cold. You played until you were physically or mentally impaired to the point you had to quit. Few could play through long careers.
Now, it seems they play to protect players. “He has a big contract! You can’t hit him like that”!
Somewhere in between there is a game with a bit of balance where players are adequately protected, but can still accomplish the tasks that the game used to require. Now, there are very specialized things the players are doing that I don’t even comprehend...
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 1, 2019 12:02:57 GMT -5
Football was created as a way men could go out and beat the tar out of each other in the mud, rain, snow and freezing cold. You played until you were physically or mentally impaired to the point you had to quit. Few could play through long careers. Now, it seems they play to protect players. “He has a big contract! You can’t hit him like that”! Somewhere in between there is a game with a bit of balance where players are adequately protected, but can still accomplish the tasks that the game used to require. Now, there are very specialized things the players are doing that I don’t even comprehend... The changes in the levels below the professional level have been profound because the injury risk is very serious. Kids don’t play football nearly as much anymore. It has been documented that increasingly the draft pool going into the college programs is disproportionately lower income kids who are taking a chance on their physical health because of the option that even a brief professional career offers. I believe that the league has an existential crisis related how it manages the concussion injury issue because the science now on this is unambiguous. Either they solve it or they’re going to see their pipeline of talent wind down as parents of kids who won’t let their kids play the sport start to lose interest in watching some other gladiator risk their lives. |
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Post by inger on Oct 1, 2019 14:51:47 GMT -5
Football was created as a way men could go out and beat the tar out of each other in the mud, rain, snow and freezing cold. You played until you were physically or mentally impaired to the point you had to quit. Few could play through long careers. Now, it seems they play to protect players. “He has a big contract! You can’t hit him like that”! Somewhere in between there is a game with a bit of balance where players are adequately protected, but can still accomplish the tasks that the game used to require. Now, there are very specialized things the players are doing that I don’t even comprehend... The changes in the levels below the professional level have been profound because the injury risk is very serious. Kids don’t play football nearly as much anymore. It has been documented that increasingly the draft pool going into the college programs is disproportionately lower income kids who are taking a chance on their physical health because of the option that even a brief professional career offers. I believe that the league has an existential crisis related how it manages the concussion injury issue because the science now on this is unambiguous. Either they solve it or they’re going to see their pipeline of talent wind down as parents of kids who won’t let their kids play the sport start to lose interest in watching some other gladiator risk their lives. Correct. Not that it was ever smart to make yourself a human battering ram for the moment, followed by being crippled for life, but now science is proving it. Of course, it was never necessarily right for coal miners to be working under the conditions they worked under, nor skyscraper builders to be working at ridiculous heights without safety harnesses. Heck, go back even further and we were entertained by real gladiators, and that went away. I suppose it’s simple advancement of civilization and evolution. When I think about it, I used to climb up on greenhouse roofs and rip the plastic off on both sides, leaving only a gutter only about the width of my foot that was 24 feet high in the air to walk on, then carry a new roll of plastic up the ladder to recover the bays. We had about Ten acres of those bays to do, and would half every year...Wasn’t smart, but it paid the bills in the off-season of plant shipping... |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 1, 2019 16:51:10 GMT -5
Become a Saints’ fan; there’s never a dull moment. I gotta question for you Rizzuto. Was the Saints defense for real this game? Would you start Jameis Winston against the Saints next week over Dak Prescott against a tough Green Bay secondary? Difficult question, because the Saints defense is rather mercurial. On one hand, the Saints historically (Payton era) play quite well in prime time, and without Brees solid defense is a MUST. On the other, the Saints overall defensive statistics are unimpressive; however, much of that has to do with absences on their defensive front. In the first three games this season, they were without Sheldon Rankins, their number one interior defensive lineman. Also, in the first game (even the second game, he didn’t play his normal number of snaps), they were without David Onyemata, their number two interior defensive lineman. So, the Dallas game was the first this season with a healthy composition of their front four, which includes Marcus Davenport and Cameron Jordan. This revitalized their stout rush defense from last season and provided an interior pass pressure largely missing against Houston, the Rams, and even the Seahawks. Being able to rush with four was essential for their defensive backs, especially Marshon Lattimore and Eli Apple. Still, the Saints are susceptible at linebacker, struggling in coverage without Alex Anzalone who is out for the season with a shoulder injury. The other soft spot is PJ Williams, a defensive back better against the run than the pass. AJ Klein and PJ Williams are the two to pick on through the air. |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 1, 2019 16:59:46 GMT -5
I gotta question for you Rizzuto. Was the Saints defense for real this game? Would you start Jameis Winston against the Saints next week over Dak Prescott against a tough Green Bay secondary? Difficult question, because the Saints defense is rather mercurial. On one hand, the Saints historically (Payton era) play quite well in prime time, and without Brees solid defense is a MUST. On the other, the Saints overall defensive statistics are unimpressive; however, much of that has to do with absences on their defensive front. In the first three games this season, they were without Sheldon Rankins, their number one interior defensive lineman. Also, in the first game (even the second game, he didn’t play his normal number of snaps), they were without David Onyemata, their number two interior defensive lineman. So, the Dallas game was the first this season with a healthy composition of their front four, which includes Marcus Davenport and Cameron Jordan. This revitalized their stout rush defense from last season and provided an interior pass pressure largely missing against Houston, the Rams, and even the Seahawks. Being able to rush with four was essential for their defensive backs, especially Marshon Lattimore and Eli Apple. Still, the Saints are susceptible at linebacker, struggling in coverage without Alex Anzalone who is out for the season with a shoulder injury. The other soft spot is PJ Williams, a defensive back better against the run than the pass. AJ Klein and PJ Williams are the two to pick on through the air. Thanks for your analysis rizz!  |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 1, 2019 17:01:31 GMT -5
Difficult question, because the Saints defense is rather mercurial. On one hand, the Saints historically (Payton era) play quite well in prime time, and without Brees solid defense is a MUST. On the other, the Saints overall defensive statistics are unimpressive; however, much of that has to do with absences on their defensive front. In the first three games this season, they were without Sheldon Rankins, their number one interior defensive lineman. Also, in the first game (even the second game, he didn’t play his normal number of snaps), they were without David Onyemata, their number two interior defensive lineman. So, the Dallas game was the first this season with a healthy composition of their front four, which includes Marcus Davenport and Cameron Jordan. This revitalized their stout rush defense from last season and provided an interior pass pressure largely missing against Houston, the Rams, and even the Seahawks. Being able to rush with four was essential for their defensive backs, especially Marshon Lattimore and Eli Apple. Still, the Saints are susceptible at linebacker, struggling in coverage without Alex Anzalone who is out for the season with a shoulder injury. The other soft spot is PJ Williams, a defensive back better against the run than the pass. AJ Klein and PJ Williams are the two to pick on through the air. Thanks for your analysis rizz! [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/GQenTev0hfkprTOBBlGu.gif" class="smile" style="max-width:100%;" alt=" "] I'm not done...haven't answered your question, yet! I posted so I wouldn't lose what I had written. |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 1, 2019 17:04:06 GMT -5
Thanks for your analysis rizz! [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/GQenTev0hfkprTOBBlGu.gif" style="max-width:100%;" class="smile" alt=" "] I'm not done...haven't answered your question, yet! I posted so I wouldn't lose what I had written. LOL, OK. Can't wait for the rest! |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 1, 2019 17:22:39 GMT -5
The Saints and Buccaneers have split wins in 2018, 2017, 2016, and 2015. The Bucs have won at New Orleans in two of those four splits. And, all of these games were with a healthy Drew Brees! The one last season at home for the Saints was a barnburner, which was lost 48-40. This game scares me more than the Cowboys' game, to be honest. Here is why:
- The Bucs have arguably the best rush defense in the NFL, and Shaq Barrett leads all NFL players with 9 sacks in the first four games!
- The Bucs will force Teddy Bridgewater to beat them, which is an awful thought, as he holds on to the ball far too long in the pocket, does not have a particularly strong arm, and does not possess Drew Brees' accuracy or creativity.
- Tampa has arguably the best set of wide receivers in the NFL with Mike Evans (6'5" and can take it to the house) and Chris Godwin (even more dangerous in the open field), who is playing better than any wide out in the game right now in my opinion.
- Tampa also has two very good tight ends in O.J. Howard and Cameron Brate, who should create havoc in the middle of the field against the Saints' linebackers.
- In all, the Bucs have more offensive weapons than the Saints (The Saints number three receiver and deep threat is out due to injury, and their number four wide receiver is out for the season - they are depleted at the position).
Of course, the wild card in this scenario is Jameis Winston...he can look like an all-pro or a whiny, little...
To be honest, the Saints may have a let down following the wins at Seattle and over the Cowboys. If this is a low scoring game, the Saints win. If it is a shootout, Tampa will upset the Saints at home and have over 400 yards of offense.
I have not seen the Packers play this season, so it would be difficult for me to choose. For the Saints to win, the front four will need to get to Winston and force him into poor throws and a couple turnovers. Make no mistake, though, Tampa Bay has plenty of offensive weapons. And, Winston is mobile quarterback, which also creates problems when the Saints do break down the pocket.
I don't know if any of this helps, but that's my information as I see it. This one concerns me, even at home.
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Post by kaybli on Oct 1, 2019 17:34:53 GMT -5
The Saints and Buccaneers have split wins in 2018, 2017, 2016, and 2015. The Bucs have won at New Orleans in two of those four splits. And, all of these games were with a healthy Drew Brees! The one last season at home for the Saints was a barnburner, which was lost 48-40. This game scares me more than the Cowboys' game, to be honest. Here is why: - The Bucs have arguably the best rush defense in the NFL, and Shaq Barrett leads all NFL players with 9 sacks in the first four games! - The Bucs will force Teddy Bridgewater to beat them, which is an awful thought, as he holds on to the ball far too long in the pocket, does not have a particularly strong arm, and does not possess Drew Brees' accuracy or creativity. - Tampa has arguably the best set of wide receivers in the NFL with Mike Evans (6'5" and can take it to the house) and Chris Godwin (even more dangerous in the open field), who is playing better than any wide out in the game right now in my opinion. - Tampa also has two very good tight ends in O.J. Howard and Cameron Brate, who should create havoc in the middle of the field against the Saints' linebackers. - In all, the Bucs have more offensive weapons than the Saints (The Saints number three receiver and deep threat is out due to injury, and their number four wide receiver is out for the season - they are depleted at the position). Of course, the wild card in this scenario is Jameis Winston...he can look like an all-pro or a whiny, little... To be honest, the Saints may have a let down following the wins at Seattle and over the Cowboys. If this is a low scoring game, the Saints win. If it is a shootout, Tampa will upset the Saints at home and have over 400 yards of offense. I have not seen the Packers play this season, so it would be difficult for me to choose. For the Saints to win, the front four will need to get to Winston and force him into poor throws and a couple turnovers. Make no mistake, though, Tampa Bay has plenty of offensive weapons. And, Winston is mobile quarterback, which also creates problems when the Saints do break down the pocket. I don't know if any of this helps, but that's my information as I see it. This one concerns me, even at home. Thank you Rizz! Winston is so streaky but reading your posts, I think I will gamble with him rather than going with Prescott against the tough Green Bay defense. Thank you for your analysis. You definitely are a knowledgeable Saints fan, that's for sure! |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 1, 2019 17:48:59 GMT -5
Good luck, Kay! I just want another win, especially at home. I do live and die by the Saints and the Yankees. My wife used to remark, "Do you realize the only time you ever use foul language is when the Saints or Yankees are playing?"
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Post by kaybli on Oct 1, 2019 18:38:09 GMT -5
Good luck, Kay! I just want another win, especially at home. I do live and die by the Saints and the Yankees. My wife used to remark, "Do you realize the only time you ever use foul language is when the Saints or Yankees are playing?"  |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 3, 2019 19:29:17 GMT -5
Anyone with thoughts on the Rams vs. the Seahawks game tonight?
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