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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 6:32:24 GMT -5
Guys, I know that the Ryder Cup doesn’t resonate with most of you, but it’s a major world sporting event and I’m watching it overseas and we are getting pounded. I know there are a lot of golfers here so here’s what the international media feed is saying: Americans are good when they’re playing the course and the fairways are nice and wide and the rough isn’t really penalizimg and there are minimal water hazards. European players stay at the same hotel, eat together, drink together and their wags and kids hang out. It’s a team. They are a team and we are individuals. What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 8:47:52 GMT -5
Tigers record in Rydar Cup competition: 13-18-1
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Post by inger on Sept 29, 2018 9:56:13 GMT -5
Guys, I know that the Ryder Cup doesn’t resonate with most of you, but it’s a major world sporting event and I’m watching it overseas and we are getting pounded. I know there are a lot of golfers here so here’s what the international media feed is saying: Americans are good when they’re playing the course and the fairways are nice and wide and the rough isn’t really penalizimg and there are minimal water hazards. European players stay at the same hotel, eat together, drink together and their wags and kids hang out. It’s a team. They are a team and we are individuals. What do you think? Probably too true to dispute...Team golf is not that big on the professional level in the states. I think the Euros simply like the format more, too... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 30, 2018 18:51:16 GMT -5
As usual, we took our pounding in Europe. Tiger, Phil and Bubba all really suck at Ryder Cup play. I blame Furyk for making Phil a captain's pick (although I know it was a popular choice and he would have gotten grief had he not done so.) Probably wouldn't have made any difference who he took, though. And chokers like Poulter and Sergio (and Monty back in the day) suddenly have ice water in their veins when it comes to the Ryder Cup. You would think the US team would be more unified, but it seems like the Euros are when it comes to this. I don't really like the atmosphere at the Ryder Cup, whether here or in Europe. It is the most obnoxious golf galleries ever get (although they are getting increasingly obnoxious even at regular PGA events.)
I also think it means more to the Euros. Our guys just seem to blow it off as an exhibition. In a venue that strongly called for off-the-tee accuracy, players like Tiger and Phil are not well-suited. But hats off to the Europeans for a strong showing. And I am a fan of most of those guys -- I love Molinari's stoical approach -- only the fourth guy ever to go 5-0-0 in Ryder Cup -- the last was Larry Nelson in 1979. And Justin Rose is one of my favorites. I have gone to see him play several times here in the Philly area (and elsewhere, such as Augusta National), including a few weeks ago at Aronimink for the FedEx Cup and a few years ago when he won the US Open at Merion -- Philly is his adopted US home and he is very popular here. A good guy. I first saw Tommy Fleetwood at the Walker Cup in Merion back in 2009 -- Ricky "most overrated player in golf" Fowler was also there. Did you see where Michelle Wie asked Fleetwood what kind of hair conditioner he used?
I love golf almost as much as baseball. But baseball is always number one.
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Sept 30, 2018 18:56:45 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Sept 30, 2018 18:56:45 GMT -5
Pipps, do you still break out the sticks yourself???
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 30, 2018 19:14:55 GMT -5
Pipps, do you still break out the sticks yourself??? Hi Inger -- nah, unfortunately, I don't. Just enough back issues to keep me off the links, but I love the game -- love the history of the game -- and I try to get to any majors that are within convenient driving distance. I know you are a fellow duffer and I have always liked that. Do you get out to any PGA events? You are close enough (by Western US standards) to make it to the tournament in Phoenix -- that place is wild. And of course you have Broadmoor and Cherry Hills nearby, both classics. The best sports literature comes from baseball and golf. The two sports considered boring by a lot of people. I think they are both thinking persons games, with great histories and vivid personalities and a million different stats to analyze. |
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Post by inger on Sept 30, 2018 20:03:10 GMT -5
The only times i’ve Had the pleasure of being in the Gallery were at the US Open at Congressional in 1997 and then in either 2000 or 2001 I went to Castle Pines to watch one of the now-defunct annual Stableford scoring tournaments that used to throw a little curveball into the sport every year.
Both were fun events to attend. At the US Open, my greatest takeaway was how small Tom Watson was, yet what a great ball striker he was. I also got to see Tiger behave a bit childishly after hitting a poor shot from the fairway that day. There was also a lesser known fellow that hit a tee shot even I would have been ashamed of, and using language that I’m sure I wouldn’t have used in front of a gallery or in any other professional circumstance.
At Castle Pines, I made it a mission to follow Greg Norman on the back nine while he made a nice charge toward the lead. He spoke to his gallery when he was near the ropes like we were old friends. History will show that he faded the following day, but it was great fun to be there as he charged from back in the pack that day (Saturday).
I wonder if we had any courses played in common in the Oxford or Avon Dale area, maybe even in the Wilmington Area. I didn’t get to play many of the pricier tracks, though I did step up a few times.
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Post by inger on Sept 30, 2018 20:06:28 GMT -5
BTW: Yes. The literature of the two sports is terrific, perhaps none better than “The Legend of Bagger Vance”, also a great movie in which Will Smith had his greatest acting performance...(at least the best of his I’ve seen)...
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Post by pippsheadache on Sept 30, 2018 20:37:20 GMT -5
The only times i’ve Had the pleasure of being in the Gallery were at the US Open at Congressional in 1997 and then in either 2000 or 2001 I went to Castle Pines to watch one of the now-defunct annual Stableford scoring tournaments that used to throw a little curveball into the sport every year. Both were fun events to attend. At the US Open, my greatest takeaway was how small Tom Watson was, yet what a great ball striker he was. I also got to see Tiger behave a bit childishly after hitting a poor shot from the fairway that day. There was also a lesser known fellow that hit a tee shot even I would have been ashamed of, and using language that I’m sure I wouldn’t have used in front of a gallery or in any other professional circumstance. At Castle Pines, I made it a mission to follow Greg Norman on the back nine while he made a nice charge toward the lead. He spoke to his gallery when he was near the ropes like we were old friends. History will show that he faded the following day, but it was great fun to be there as he charged from back in the pack that day (Saturday). I wonder if we had any courses played in common in the Oxford or Avon Dale area, maybe even in the Wilmington Area. I didn’t get to play many of the pricier tracks, though I did step up a few times. Great stories Inger. Greg Norman was indeed good with the galleries. And of course when you saw Tiger at Congressional, he wasn't much more than a child -- he would have only been 21 at that point. He is a different (and much more likeable) player today. I saw him several times when he had his own tournament at Congressional, where I also got to see Freddy Couples interacting well with the gallery. Fuzzy Zoeller worked the rope line pretty well too. I stood about two feet from Tom Watson when he played a Champions Tour event at Philadelphia Cricket Club a few years ago. I fought the urge to say a few words to him -- he is definitely on my short-list of favorites. Those are great events to go to -- smaller crowds, very relaxed, more interaction with the players. Even Colin Montgomerie joked around with the crowd!! In days of yore I played at Loch Nairn in Avondale, maybe you played that one. Kennett Golf Club was my local spot, a Donald Ross course. Porky Oliver's in Wilmington, also DuPont CC and Wilmington CC. But it's been a long time. As a kid I used to play a lot at a Par 3 called Spring Lake, close to where I grew up in Chadds Ford if you remember that area. But I am strictly a spectator these days. My father-in-law, who passed away a few weeks ago at the age of 100, played well into his 90s! He was from Scranton, PA and was friends with an old time pro from that area named Art Wall Jr., who had his share of tour wins and even a major -- can't remember which one off the top of my head. Maybe in the off-season we can get a golf thread going. |
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Post by inger on Sept 30, 2018 20:57:01 GMT -5
Loch Nairn probably still shows scars from my divots, and I did Porky Oliver’s a couple of times...
Yeah. I can throw some more course names out there...
I recall an odd event from Loch Nairn that only ever happen to me once. There’s a severe dog-leg par four (don’t recall the hole number. But rather
Tall trees block the short route... I decided to hit an iron off the tee and for some reason the club left my hands at the time of contact and went about the same distance as the ball. It took me several holes to regain confidence that I could swing without losing the club...
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Post by inger on Sept 30, 2018 21:05:57 GMT -5
Pipps, real quick and then I promise to stop... Wyncote (Oxford, PA) or Hartefeld National (Avondale)? I think I only hit them once each, but at least I can say I birdied a long par three (#11, or was it 12?) at Hartefeld National...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 0:54:18 GMT -5
Make no mistake, the US team takes the Ryder Cup very seriously. The courses in Europe are much less forgiving, the weather is usually more windy, you are playing against the man instead of the course, team comraderie is tighter in Europe and of course selection of players is important. I don’t know what 46 year old Mickelson was doing on the team to begin with. Woods looked totally lost and frankly the team choked in nearly every big situation.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 1, 2018 7:30:07 GMT -5
Make no mistake, the US team takes the Ryder Cup very seriously. The courses in Europe are much less forgiving, the weather is usually more windy, you are playing against the man instead of the course, team comraderie is tighter in Europe and of course selection of players is important. I don’t know what 46 year old Mickelson was doing on the team to begin with. Woods looked totally lost and frankly the team choked in nearly every big situation. Good analysis Chuck. Slight correction -- Mickelson is actually 48 -- in two years he's playing the Champions Tour. He was the pick I most disagreed with, his best golf had come early in the year and he looked gassed. And he has always been lousy at RC. Friend of the captain, I guess. After the FedEx business it would have been hard for Furyk to not take Tiger, but he never looked like his head was in it. Seemed like Justin Thomas was the only guy on the US squad who didn't spit the bit. I expected more from Finau and Reed. And I never like seeing Bubba Watson out there in a tense situation. Instead of conceding putts we should just concede entire matches and save everybody some time. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 1, 2018 7:37:46 GMT -5
Pipps, real quick and then I promise to stop... Wyncote (Oxford, PA) or Hartefeld National (Avondale)? I think I only hit them once each, but at least I can say I birdied a long par three (#11, or was it 12?) at Hartefeld National... Don't know about Wyncote. Hartefeld is a nice course, very challenging. Yes, near Avondale. If you birdied any hole there, you're a lot better than me. Love the mushroom soup there, though. |
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Post by domeplease on Oct 1, 2018 11:43:33 GMT -5
Make no mistake, the US team takes the Ryder Cup very seriously. The courses in Europe are much less forgiving, the weather is usually more windy, you are playing against the man instead of the course, team comraderie is tighter in Europe and of course selection of players is important. I don’t know what 46 year old Mickelson was doing on the team to begin with. Woods looked totally lost and frankly the team choked in nearly every big situation. Good analysis Chuck. Slight correction -- Mickelson is actually 48 -- in two years he's playing the Champions Tour. He was the pick I most disagreed with, his best golf had come early in the year and he looked gassed. And he has always been lousy at RC. Friend of the captain, I guess. After the FedEx business it would have been hard for Furyk to not take Tiger, but he never looked like his head was in it. Seemed like Justin Thomas was the only guy on the US squad who didn't spit the bit. I expected more from Finau and Reed. And I never like seeing Bubba Watson out there in a tense situation. Instead of conceding putts we should just concede entire matches and save everybody some time. AGREED...WE were very disappointed by USA's Play. Very Early Sunday, when the Matches were not even half over; Tequila screamed, "Cartoon Channel Please." That says it all. |
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