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Post by inger on Nov 29, 2018 17:53:49 GMT -5
I thought you quit reading at "domeplease"... LOL...
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Post by kaybli on Nov 29, 2018 19:12:41 GMT -5
From rotoworld:
Yankees among teams in on J.T. Realmuto
Jon Heyman of Fancred reports that the Yankees are among the teams showing interest in Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto. We've already heard of interest from the Astros, Brewers, Dodgers, and Phillies, among others, but the Yankees are new to this particular discussion. Heyman writes that the Yanks are willing to part with Gary Sanchez in a package for Realmuto but still hold Sanchez "in high enough regard that they have resisted offering other top pieces" along with him. Realmuto should fetch the rebuilding Marlins a massive return as a 27-year-old catcher coming off a 2018 season that saw him register an .825 OPS with 21 home runs and 74 RBI over 125 games.
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Post by inger on Nov 29, 2018 20:16:33 GMT -5
From rotoworld:
Yankees among teams in on J.T. Realmuto
Jon Heyman of Fancred reports that the Yankees are among the teams showing interest in Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto. We've already heard of interest from the Astros, Brewers, Dodgers, and Phillies, among others, but the Yankees are new to this particular discussion. Heyman writes that the Yanks are willing to part with Gary Sanchez in a package for Realmuto but still hold Sanchez "in high enough regard that they have resisted offering other top pieces" along with him. Realmuto should fetch the rebuilding Marlins a massive return as a 27-year-old catcher coming off a 2018 season that saw him register an .825 OPS with 21 home runs and 74 RBI over 125 games.
if there is any truth to this rumor, I would say that the high regard for Sanchez is perhaps a notch lower than the Yankees are letting on. It’s a very tough deal to rate. The offensive ceiling on Sanchez is “King Kong climbing the Empire State Building”, but his defensive floor is somewhere below the subway. The offensive ceiling on Realmuto would suggest he’s likely already shown his best, and may be expected to regress, but his defensive ceiling right up there with that of Dsmchez’s offensive ceiling. It’s rather telling that the Yankees are indicating that they don’t want to include any premium prospects in the deal. That statement reveals that they know they need to sweeten the pot. It’s a deal that I can take or leave, but I think we’d be better off with Realmuto to be honest. Sanchez carries some drama with him, and his size along with his defensive issues suggests he may not be catching for too many years. The Marlins have time to figure that out and see if he can play 1st base of will wind up being a DH. Yes, the more I think about it, I like defense first. I especially like it at catcher, SS, 2B, and CF. I’m at least 60% in favor of this getting done. The Yankees can then add a big lefty bat and not miss Sanchez’ power...
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 29, 2018 20:31:14 GMT -5
I think they would be selling low on Sanchez, he's going to rebound with a 35+ HR season.
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 29, 2018 20:36:23 GMT -5
The pot is stirring....
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Post by inger on Nov 29, 2018 20:52:57 GMT -5
Until it’s announced, it’s nothing... Just like Mateo...
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Post by inger on Nov 29, 2018 21:53:46 GMT -5
I think they would be selling low on Sanchez, he's going to rebound with a 35+ HR season. I have no doubt about that, Chi. In fact, I fully expect him to do that multiple times in his MLB career. But is he a catcher? Realmuto is. Realmuto is also one of, if not THE fastest catcher in MLB on the bases, controls the running game quite well, is a good pitch framer who had 8 less PB than Sanchez last season in about 40 more games. He also swung at the lowest number of pitches out of the strike zone in his career while remaining aggressive, and had the third-most HR among MLB catchers last season, so he’s no slap-hitter, either...While hitting over 30 doubles in each of the past three seasons... One is a slugger with potential behind the plate. The other is a finished product that you’ll grow to love when you see him catch...and in today’s environment, he’s a “contact hitter”...
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 29, 2018 22:11:48 GMT -5
I think they would be selling low on Sanchez, he's going to rebound with a 35+ HR season. I have no doubt about that, Chi. In fact, I fully expect him to do that multiple times in his MLB career. But is he a catcher? Realmuto is. Realmuto is also one of, if not THE fastest catcher in MLB on the bases, controls the running game quite well, is a good pitch framer who had 8 less PB than Sanchez last season in about 40 more games. He also swung at the lowest number of pitches out of the strike zone in his career while remaining aggressive, and had the third-most HR among MLB catchers last season, so he’s no slap-hitter, either...While hitting over 30 doubles in each of the past three seasons... One is a slugger with potential behind the plate. The other is a finished product that you’ll grow to love when you see him catch...and in today’s environment, he’s a “contact hitter”... Damn, I don't think Realmuto's agent could do a better job selling him. Great post.
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Post by inger on Nov 29, 2018 22:15:39 GMT -5
I have no doubt about that, Chi. In fact, I fully expect him to do that multiple times in his MLB career. But is he a catcher? Realmuto is. Realmuto is also one of, if not THE fastest catcher in MLB on the bases, controls the running game quite well, is a good pitch framer who had 8 less PB than Sanchez last season in about 40 more games. He also swung at the lowest number of pitches out of the strike zone in his career while remaining aggressive, and had the third-most HR among MLB catchers last season, so he’s no slap-hitter, either...While hitting over 30 doubles in each of the past three seasons... One is a slugger with potential behind the plate. The other is a finished product that you’ll grow to love when you see him catch...and in today’s environment, he’s a “contact hitter”... Damn, I don't think Realmuto's agent could do a better job selling him. Great post. Aww, shucks. It’s an honor to be appreciated by one one of the all-time great posters...Thanks...
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 29, 2018 22:35:14 GMT -5
Damn, I don't think Realmuto's agent could do a better job selling him. Great post. Aww, shucks. It’s an honor to be appreciated by one one of the all-time great posters...Thanks... So, should Cashman pursue this?
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Post by inger on Nov 29, 2018 23:05:10 GMT -5
Aww, shucks. It’s an honor to be appreciated by one one of the all-time great posters...Thanks... So, should Cashman pursue this? Yes. I believe so. In fact, I believe I posited that I would do an even up Sanchez for Realmuto before the regular season ended. I guess I haven’t changed my mind, even though at one point I was wavering on it... I know it doesn’t compare to this, but years ago when I was in a Strat-O-Matic league and won ten consecutive titles, I shocked everyone by eschewing choosing an ace pitcher in the first round of our annual draft to select Gary Carter to catch. He had the best-rated throwing arm at the position, plus had a power bat. Most of the time no one would pick anything but a starting pitcher for the first 2 rounds at least. If you look at the quality of the catching position in MLB right now, it’s quite rare to have a catcher who is good on both sides of the ball. Realmuto checks all the boxes and is just starting his peak years. I just don’t think it to be wise to sit idly by while the Red Sox improve their weakest position by acquiring Realmuto, or the Astros for that matter, who would be in a better position to put a package together to trade. Sanchez? Yeah. He might...and probably will be a big comeback player next year. Or... Do you by any chance remember Earl Williams? At this point, the story is looking eerily similar. Williams has those raw catching skills and monster power, won the NL Rookie of the Yrar Award, and just didn’t last, nor ever improve as a catcher...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 1:36:12 GMT -5
I'd trade Sanchez in a heartbeat if it meant getting Realmuto.
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 30, 2018 8:21:06 GMT -5
Sanchez for Realmuto would be a gutsy move for both teams, with a high potential for blowing up in somebody's face. I think that lessens the odds of it actually happening. This is where GMs earn their pay.
There is no question Realmuto has been a steadier, more predictable performer so far in his career. His OBP for the last three seasons has been .343, .332 and .340. OPS+ has been 111, 112 and then a jump to 131. Still, all pretty steady.
Sanchez's numbers have been a plunge over those same three seasons, with OBP marks of .376, .345 and .291. OPS+ has gone from 168 to 126 to 86.
Defensively, Gary has to plead nolo contendre. His 40 PBs in 216 games at catcher compares to 36 in 449 games for JT. I realize PBs are not the only defensive measure for a catcher, but Sanchez is so extreme in this regard that it's hard not to focus on it. Realmuto has also played 22 games at first base, with no errors.
As an anonymous poster on an internet board, I would make this trade. But if Sanchez goes to the Marlins and becomes a regular 30-35 HR a year guy who upgrades his backstopping from horrific to merely bad, while Realmuto goes into a slow fade and leaves via free agency in 2021, I'll be first in line screaming for Cashman's hide. Just sort of kidding, but I would be really surprised if a straight-up deal like this ever happens. What I really don't want is for Boston to get him, because that would plug their most glaring hole.
Inger, the Earl Williams comparison is very insightful, although I hope it doesn't pan out that way in the long run for Sanchez. Like Sanchez, Williams was a big guy with both personality and passed ball issues who started very strong with the Braves and then went into a steady decline, much of it I was happy to recall with the Orioles. They kept expecting him to regain his form. I looked him up and see he had 71 PBs in 456 games as a catcher. Almost exactly twice as many as Realmuto in almost the exact same number of games. Sadly, Sanchez's PB rate is even worse than that of Williams, by a factor of about 20 percent. I notice that Earl Williams passed away several years ago. There probably aren't more than four or five of us on this board who remember him.
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 30, 2018 9:27:05 GMT -5
I have to admit I do not understand why the Mets would do this. For sure it has the potential to improve their teams this season. But not enough to make their competitive. And they’ve taken on salary for Cano’s declining years and dealt prospects. Maybe it is purely marketing to try to sell the die hard fans that there’s some kind of product on the field apart from DeGrom.
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 30, 2018 9:29:57 GMT -5
Sanchez for Realmuto would be a gutsy move for both teams, with a high potential for blowing up in somebody's face. I think that lessens the odds of it actually happening. This is where GMs earn their pay. There is no question Realmuto has been a steadier, more predictable performer so far in his career. His OBP for the last three seasons has been .343, .332 and .340. OPS+ has been 111, 112 and then a jump to 131. Still, all pretty steady. Sanchez's numbers have been a plunge over those same three seasons, with OBP marks of .376, .345 and .291. OPS+ has gone from 168 to 126 to 86. Defensively, Gary has to plead nolo contendre. His 40 PBs in 216 games at catcher compares to 36 in 449 games for JT. I realize PBs are not the only defensive measure for a catcher, but Sanchez is so extreme in this regard that it's hard not to focus on it. Realmuto has also played 22 games at first base, with no errors. As an anonymous poster on an internet board, I would make this trade. But if Sanchez goes to the Marlins and becomes a regular 30-35 HR a year guy who upgrades his backstopping from horrific to merely bad, while Realmuto goes into a slow fade and leaves via free agency in 2021, I'll be first in line screaming for Cashman's hide. Just sort of kidding, but I would be really surprised if a straight-up deal like this ever happens. What I really don't want is for Boston to get him, because that would plug their most glaring hole. Inger, the Earl Williams comparison is very insightful, although I hope it doesn't pan out that way in the long run for Sanchez. Like Sanchez, Williams was a big guy with both personality and passed ball issues who started very strong with the Braves and then went into a steady decline, much of it I was happy to recall with the Orioles. They kept expecting him to regain his form. I looked him up and see he had 71 PBs in 456 games as a catcher. Almost exactly twice as many as Realmuto in almost the exact same number of games. Sadly, Sanchez's PB rate is even worse than that of Williams, by a factor of about 20 percent. I notice that Earl Williams passed away several years ago. There probably aren't more than four or five of us on this board who remember him. I don’t think this is at all a realistic trade. It feels like something writers put out there to fill copy during a slow news week. Given that the Yanks would be selling very low after a bad season and offseason surgery, they’ve realistically be giving Sanchez away and dealing other prospects who now can’t be used to address other more glaring weaknesses on the team. The smart move is to see how Sanchez responds in 2019 if he’s healthy and focus on the other needs of the team. I don’t think this is even a serious issue within the Yankees front office.
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