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Post by greatfatness on Nov 30, 2018 9:37:54 GMT -5
Good analysis of why the deal makes sense for the Mariners. Less clear what the Mets accomplished. Also interesting to note that looking at production over the last 5 years the Mariners did better with Cano than the Yanks did with the players they spent that money on. Not surprising, that seemed clear at the time they let Cano walk and burned that money on Ellsbury and McCann www.fangraphs.com/blogs/making-a-robinson-cano-trade-work/ |
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 30, 2018 9:40:51 GMT -5
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 30, 2018 9:50:00 GMT -5
I have to admit I do not understand why the Mets would do this. For sure it has the potential to improve their teams this season. But not enough to make their competitive. And they’ve taken on salary for Cano’s declining years and dealt prospects. Maybe it is purely marketing to try to sell the die hard fans that there’s some kind of product on the field apart from DeGrom. I also find this confusing from the Mets side. With all the quality closers on this year's free agent market, why don't the Mets just go out and sign one of them instead of taking on Cano's contract and trading away some of their prospects? It doesn't make sense, unless they really want Cano. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 30, 2018 9:51:16 GMT -5
Good analysis of why the deal makes sense for the Mariners. Less clear what the Mets accomplished. Also interesting to note that looking at production over the last 5 years the Mariners did better with Cano than the Yanks did with the players they spent that money on. Not surprising, that seemed clear at the time they let Cano walk and burned that money on Ellsbury and McCann www.fangraphs.com/blogs/making-a-robinson-cano-trade-work/Yep. The deal would make more sense if the Mets were on the doorstep of being a World Series contender and this was the move that put them where they needed to be. Sort of a "win now" move. Still, at least for next year, it should make them a better team. Glad I'm not a Mets fan. |
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 30, 2018 10:07:27 GMT -5
I have to admit I do not understand why the Mets would do this. For sure it has the potential to improve their teams this season. But not enough to make their competitive. And they’ve taken on salary for Cano’s declining years and dealt prospects. Maybe it is purely marketing to try to sell the die hard fans that there’s some kind of product on the field apart from DeGrom. I also find this confusing from the Mets side. With all the quality closers on this year's free agent market, why don't the Mets just go out and sign one of them instead of taking on Cano's contract and trading away some of their prospects? It doesn't make sense, unless they really want Cano. It must be that their judgment is focused on marketing more than contending. |
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Post by inger on Nov 30, 2018 11:23:02 GMT -5
I don't know if you're selling low when you can get the best overall catcher in MLB back in the deal. I suppose it would depend which prospects you have to toss in the pot to close the deal...
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 30, 2018 11:28:28 GMT -5
I don't know if you're selling low when you can get the best overall catcher in MLB back in the deal. I suppose it would depend which prospects you have to toss in the pot to close the deal... There’s no chance this deal happens even up after the year Sanchez had and the fact that at the moment he’s damaged goods. That’s not the market for the player the Marlins are shopping. So of course it would be selling low. It just isn’t a credible story, which of course is no surprise at this time of the year. |
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Post by kaybli on Nov 30, 2018 11:31:52 GMT -5
Mets being the Mets. Horrible trade. LOL, Mets.  |
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 30, 2018 11:32:19 GMT -5
Here’s a thoughtful analysis of what a credible deal would be for Realmuto. I think it is feasible to believe the Yanks could build a package around Andujar for him. I would definitely not want them to do that. To build it around Sanchez you’d need to believe that Sanchez was both healthy and poised to put up numbers like he did in 2017, and then add prospects. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/so-you-want-to-trade-for-j-t-realmuto/ |
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Post by noetsi on Nov 30, 2018 18:21:42 GMT -5
"It’s a very tough deal to rate. The offensive ceiling on Sanchez is “King Kong climbing the Empire State Building”, but his defensive floor is somewhere below the subway."
Sounds like Posada.
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 30, 2018 20:24:49 GMT -5
"It’s a very tough deal to rate. The offensive ceiling on Sanchez is “King Kong climbing the Empire State Building”, but his defensive floor is somewhere below the subway." Sounds like Posada. Jorge was just a shade below a Hall of Fame caliber player, so I'd certainly take that from Sanchez. |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 30, 2018 20:29:12 GMT -5
And just like that, it's over for Toe in Chicago.
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Post by inger on Nov 30, 2018 20:45:31 GMT -5
And just like that, it's over for Toe in Chicago. I’ve always found these moves to be s bit mystifying. One moment s player is wanted enough to trade for him. The next moment...sorry, we changed our mind...They don’t even flip them to attempt to restore an asset. Perhaps the Cubs are now in need of roster space for a signing or a trade... |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 30, 2018 20:54:09 GMT -5
And just like that, it's over for Toe in Chicago. I’ve always found these moves to be s bit mystifying. One moment s player is wanted enough to trade for him. The next moment...sorry, we changed our mind...They don’t even flip them to attempt to restore an asset. Perhaps the Cubs are now in need of roster space for a signing or a trade... I don't get it either but who am I to question the genius of Epstein & Hoyer? |
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Post by bluemarlin on Nov 30, 2018 21:24:29 GMT -5
Here’s a thoughtful analysis of what a credible deal would be for Realmuto. I think it is feasible to believe the Yanks could build a package around Andujar for him. I would definitely not want them to do that. To build it around Sanchez you’d need to believe that Sanchez was both healthy and poised to put up numbers like he did in 2017, and then add prospects. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/so-you-want-to-trade-for-j-t-realmuto/Sanchez circa 2017 looked like the second coming of Mike Piazza--not a good defensive catcher, but a huge offensive force at a bargain rate, with years of control and room to develop the D. That Sanchez was worth Realmuto, straight up, given the age, salary, and years of control. Things have changed. |
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