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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 6:54:40 GMT -5
Sanchez is a mistake hitter with good power who wants to pull everything. Defensively, he doesn’t have good reactions laterally, doesn’t block
balls well, but has this torpedo of an arm. Some people are saying that Posada had similar knocks against him. I can’t remember that, but I always thought Jorge was at least projected to be a better all around hitter because he hit from both sides and could go the other way. I guess I’d much rather have Posada than Sanchez given what I have seen, but Gary is still young. I do remember Jorge hitting into a lot of dps and having a crappy year from time to time.
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Post by pippsheadache on Dec 1, 2018 8:06:49 GMT -5
Sanchez is a mistake hitter with good power who wants to pull everything. Defensively, he doesn’t have good reactions laterally, doesn’t block balls well, but has this torpedo of an arm. Some people are saying that Posada had similar knocks against him. I can’t remember that, but I always thought Jorge was at least projected to be a better all around hitter because he hit from both sides and could go the other way. I guess I’d much rather have Posada than Sanchez given what I have seen, but Gary is still young. I do remember Jorge hitting into a lot of dps and having a crappy year from time to time. I agree the jury still has to be out on Gary. He could be an all-time great, at least offensively, or he could tank. I guess he could still learn how to use his glove and to block pitches, but three seasons into his major league career the learning curve looks slow. If it were possible to trade some of the arm for some of the glove, I would do it. Jorge had outstanding power for a catcher, although he never hit them as far as Sanchez. Posada was by no means a great defensive catcher, and he had his share of passed balls, but he never seemed glaringly deficient back there. I don't recall it being a major issue. But he was a definite offensive force, especially for a catcher. There are only eleven catchers in baseball history with a higher offensive WAR. Nine of them are in the Hall of Fame (Piazza, Fisk, Bench, Berra, Carter, Pudge Rodriguez, Dickey, Hartnett and Cochrane.) The other two are Ted Simmons and Joe Mauer. I think we can expect to see Mauer in Cooperstown one day, although Simmons's ship may have sailed. If Sanchez winds up in that company, I think most of us would be happy. One legitimate knock on Posada is that he was a very poor baserunner. On the basepaths its seemed that from time to time his brain would go into vapor lock. He had leadership qualities, and personally I liked the fire he brought to his game. It always seemed to me that he cared a lot about being a Yankee and that team success was very important to him. Just my impression. It always cracked me up that the normally 100 percent rose-colored glasses Yankee booster, our dear friend MrG (who I miss to this day) was never a big Posada fan. He kind of kept it quiet on the board, but if I recall his son-in-law let the cat out of the bag one time. It was one of two Yankee-related things we disagreed on (he had a much higher opinion of A-Rod than I did.) On the other hand, the equally esteemed and unparalleled baseball observer, the great Jwild, always appreciated and often wrote at great length about Posada's accomplishments, charting his climb up assorted career lists. Jwild, if you are out there, I know you can provide the definitive analysis of Jorge's life in baseball. |
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 1, 2018 10:08:22 GMT -5
Oh my...Chuck...right now JWild may be buying a ticket to Singapore to kick your ass with a 2000-page tome on Jorge Posada. Even just the abstract with footnotes would call for either an eight count or a concussion protocol.
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Post by inger on Dec 1, 2018 11:17:10 GMT -5
Oh my...Chuck...right now JWild may be buying a ticket to Singapore to kick your ass with a 2000-page tome on Jorge Posada. Even just the abstract with footnotes would call for either an eight count or a concussion protocol. The title of the book? "War, Peace and Posada"... |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 1, 2018 11:31:22 GMT -5
Sanchez is a mistake hitter with good power who wants to pull everything. That accurately described his approach at the plate for his poor season last year. It doesn’t accurately describe his rookie year or how he hit in the minors. And we now know he was injured last season which certainly could have played a part in his poor approach and results at the plate. |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 1, 2018 11:32:13 GMT -5
I’ve always found these moves to be s bit mystifying. One moment s player is wanted enough to trade for him. The next moment...sorry, we changed our mind...They don’t even flip them to attempt to restore an asset. Perhaps the Cubs are now in need of roster space for a signing or a trade... I don't get it either but who am I to question the genius of Epstein & Hoyer? Looks like a favor to the Yankees. |
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Post by inger on Dec 1, 2018 15:51:22 GMT -5
Sanchez is a mistake hitter with good power who wants to pull everything. That accurately described his approach at the plate for his poor season last year. It doesn’t accurately describe his rookie year or how he hit in the minors. And we now know he was injured last season which certainly could have played a part in his poor approach and results at the plate. [ Just a few weeks ago I was quick to remind all to keep Sanchez’ injuries in mind when assessing his offensive and defensive performances last season. Now, just as quickly I’m ready to pull the trigger on a reasonable offer to deal him for Realmuto. That’s almost a direct reflection of what Sanchez has been for me even since his minor league years...back AA. One day I love him, the next day he pisses me off. I think it’s the drama. He doesn’t create all of that. A good portion of it is manufactured by the press. In the end, it appears Realmuto is finally going to get the trade away from Miami that he’s wanted for quite some time. I don’t know if we have the parts to get him unless Sanchez would headline the deal. Wouldn’t it be great to have both men? Sanchez DH’ing 75% of the time, becoming more of a Yankee version of Evan Gattis? Not gonna happen, I know... Sanchez is driving me stark raving mad at this point. He probably will until Realmuto has been homed somewhere. Even then, I’ll be on pins and needles until we see what his first month or so of 2019 looks like. Is he Mike Piazza? Is he Earl Williams? Is he something in between, destined to stay in MLB for his bat, but to play as either a poor first baseman or DH? Ah Gary... Would you please make up your mind for us so I can make up my mind?... |
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Post by bluemarlin on Dec 1, 2018 19:33:20 GMT -5
That accurately described his approach at the plate for his poor season last year. It doesn’t accurately describe his rookie year or how he hit in the minors. And we now know he was injured last season which certainly could have played a part in his poor approach and results at the plate. [ Just a few weeks ago I was quick to remind all to keep Sanchez’ injuries in mind when assessing his offensive and defensive performances last season. Now, just as quickly I’m ready to pull the trigger on a reasonable offer to deal him for Realmuto. That’s almost a direct reflection of what Sanchez has been for me even since his minor league years...back AA. One day I love him, the next day he pisses me off. I think it’s the drama. He doesn’t create all of that. A good portion of it is manufactured by the press. In the end, it appears Realmuto is finally going to get the trade away from Miami that he’s wanted for quite some time. I don’t know if we have the parts to get him unless Sanchez would headline the deal. Wouldn’t it be great to have both men? Sanchez DH’ing 75% of the time, becoming more of a Yankee version of Evan Gattis? Not gonna happen, I know... Sanchez is driving me stark raving mad at this point. He probably will until Realmuto has been homed somewhere. Even then, I’ll be on pins and needles until we see what his first month or so of 2019 looks like. Is he Mike Piazza? Is he Earl Williams? Is he something in between, destined to stay in MLB for his bat, but to play as either a poor first baseman or DH? Ah Gary... Would you please make up your mind for us so I can make up my mind?... Excellent post, Inger! I agree with you. But I've made up my mind: Trade him and another expendable player--Tyler Wade? I dunno--for Realmuto. I'd rather have on my team a great defensive catcher who hits .280 with 22 homeruns than a guy who might hit 38 homeruns but is bad behind the plate. |
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Post by inger on Dec 1, 2018 22:16:35 GMT -5
This veers the thread off course a bit, but I wanted to comment that I’m not certain at all that it would be safe to play for the wild card in 2019. Tampa Bay has a young team that could be just a couple of players away from being just as tough as NY and BOS. In addition to that, they have a robust farm system that could provide either reinforcements from within or the pieces to acquire a top tier pitcher, or fill the gaps at 3B or 1B. They let C. J. Cron go non-tendered, which indicates they see themselves as capable of replacing him at a lower cost. Yet, they don’t seem to be in the poorhouse financially like they were a couple of years ago.
So, if the Yankees think they can sit back and play for the second spot...Cashman Beware...
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 1, 2018 22:58:18 GMT -5
Cano & Diaz to the Mets is a done deal:
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Post by inger on Dec 2, 2018 0:49:59 GMT -5
Cano & Diaz to the Mets is a done deal: Anyone who foresaw this on the day Robinson Cano signed with Seattle? Now that we no longer have Karl or Tmarino to kick around, I would suspect not... |
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Post by chiyankee on Dec 2, 2018 9:28:48 GMT -5
Cano & Diaz to the Mets is a done deal: Anyone who foresaw this on the day Robinson Cano signed with Seattle? Now that we no longer have Karl or Tmarino to kick around, I would suspect not... Cano's coming back to NY! |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 2, 2018 10:39:10 GMT -5
Cano & Diaz to the Mets is a done deal: I don’t think Joel Sherman understands how math works |
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Post by inger on Dec 2, 2018 11:59:54 GMT -5
I may have my own challenge with math after looking at Joey Bats total slash line from last season. The reason I looked was because I was thinking...”why do teams keep playing him (and paying him)? The slash was .203/.348/.378. Somehow, that works out to an OPS + of 104.
Looking at that reinforces my previously stated opinion that batting average is under rated and underappreciated...
If batting average was given a place in OPS, Joey would be a .203 + .348 + .378 =.929.
If another hitter happened to hit .243 + .348 + .378, for instance, that would be .969, and would be considered more productive than Joey was...
There may be other ways to make changes in the ranking of hitters. The one I’m suggesting would put a value on getting hits that would be higher than that of drawing a walk without drastically devaluing OBP, but it also would devalue power to an extent.
I would still argue as well that the current formula is concocted by adding two numbers that are not related to each other, as it represents two entirely separate skills, so it’s already imperfect. Changing it may make it even more so unless some Einstein-like entity among us can discover the correct formula through algebraic means. In other words, we would be using some sort of multiplier or divisor to accurately describe the value of each skill.
The separate skills would then be combined accurately, with those skills being: Hitting for average, reaching base by any means, and hitting for power...
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 2, 2018 13:45:58 GMT -5
I may have my own challenge with math after looking at Joey Bats total slash line from last season. The reason I looked was because I was thinking...”why do teams keep playing him (and paying him)? The slash was .203/.348/.378. Somehow, that works out to an OPS + of 104. Looking at that reinforces my previously stated opinion that batting average is under rated and underappreciated... If batting average was given a place in OPS, Joey would be a .203 + .348 + .378 =.929. If another hitter happened to hit .243 + .348 + .378, for instance, that would be .969, and would be considered more productive than Joey was... There may be other ways to make changes in the ranking of hitters. The one I’m suggesting would put a value on getting hits that would be higher than that of drawing a walk without drastically devaluing OBP, but it also would devalue power to an extent. I would still argue as well that the current formula is concocted by adding two numbers that are not related to each other, as it represents two entirely separate skills, so it’s already imperfect. Changing it may make it even more so unless some Einstein-like entity among us can discover the correct formula through algebraic means. In other words, we would be using some sort of multiplier or divisor to accurately describe the value of each skill. The separate skills would then be combined accurately, with those skills being: Hitting for average, reaching base by any means, and hitting for power... Batting average is part of OPS twice already, within OBP and within SLG. It is the largest component of OPS. |
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