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Post by rizzuto on Dec 2, 2018 14:59:09 GMT -5
Perhaps another way of thinking of this is reducing non-productive outs across the lineup. How many times did Derek Jeter, Ichiro Suzuki, Brett Butler, etc. force a bobble or a rushed throw from an infielder? While the error is not considered an out during the inning, it is nevertheless recorded as an out for the batter, though the inning was extended, baserunners moved up, and a runner at third scored. Heck, if there were two outs, a runner possibly scores from second. Yet, the batting average of Jeter, Ichiro and Butler just fell, as if they had struck out or popped out to end the inning.
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Post by inger on Dec 2, 2018 16:21:18 GMT -5
I may have my own challenge with math after looking at Joey Bats total slash line from last season. The reason I looked was because I was thinking...”why do teams keep playing him (and paying him)? The slash was .203/.348/.378. Somehow, that works out to an OPS + of 104. Looking at that reinforces my previously stated opinion that batting average is under rated and underappreciated... If batting average was given a place in OPS, Joey would be a .203 + .348 + .378 =.929. If another hitter happened to hit .243 + .348 + .378, for instance, that would be .969, and would be considered more productive than Joey was... There may be other ways to make changes in the ranking of hitters. The one I’m suggesting would put a value on getting hits that would be higher than that of drawing a walk without drastically devaluing OBP, but it also would devalue power to an extent. I would still argue as well that the current formula is concocted by adding two numbers that are not related to each other, as it represents two entirely separate skills, so it’s already imperfect. Changing it may make it even more so unless some Einstein-like entity among us can discover the correct formula through algebraic means. In other words, we would be using some sort of multiplier or divisor to accurately describe the value of each skill. The separate skills would then be combined accurately, with those skills being: Hitting for average, reaching base by any means, and hitting for power... Batting average is part of OPS twice already, within OBP and within SLG. It is the largest component of OPS. While your point is understood and appreciated, I still believe something to be missing in the formula. It’s sort of like eating a nice meal, but feeling as though it’s full potential wasn’t fulfilled because of an unrecognized missing spice... |
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Post by inger on Dec 2, 2018 16:30:33 GMT -5
Perhaps another way of thinking of this is reducing non-productive outs across the lineup. How many times did Derek Jeter, Ichiro Suzuki, Brett Butler, etc. force a bobble or a rushed throw from an infielder? While the error is not considered an out during the inning, it is nevertheless recorded as an out for the batter, though the inning was extended, baserunners moved up, and a runner at third scored. Heck, if there were two outs, a runner possibly scores from second. Yet, the batting average of Jeter, Ichiro and Butler just fell, as if they had struck out or popped out to end the inning. This expands even a bit further on the importance of the lost art of making contact, perhaps suggesting a dangerously subjective statistic like “forced mistakes” or some such credited to the hitter, as well as charged to the fielder. As we see more electronic monitoring of the game perhaps there will be a way to measure something like that consistently. I also have regrets that we can’t measure the positive affect of speed, both at the plate and on the bases...Although speed alone doesn’t make a great base runner...Speed vs. Effective Speed... <Should we add IQ to the OPS>?... 🤯 |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 3, 2018 5:34:22 GMT -5
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 3, 2018 8:47:53 GMT -5
Phillies are not messing around this off season it seems.
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Post by domeplease on Dec 3, 2018 12:37:59 GMT -5
Jean Segura is about to be traded from Seattle to the Phillies; he has a No-Trade Cause. If he invokes it, might the Yanks step-in and trade for him. He plays SS & 2B.
Sequra at SS while DiDi is out =Keeps US from having to sign MM for Hundreds of Millions of $$$.
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/jean-segura-will-be-a-substantial-upgrade-in-two-areas-for-phillies/ar-BBQqLI9?ocid=U147DHP Segura, who has four years and $58 million remaining on his contract, will be an immediate upgrade for the Phillies in a number of ways. One of the first things that comes to find is his offensive ability, which includes being difficult to strike out.
Although the 28-year-old has not struck out much over the years (his career-worst strikeout rate was 15.9% in 2015), he took it to another level for Seattle last year. In what ended up being a 3.8-fWAR performance, Segura posted a .304/.341/.415 triple slash (111 wRC+) with a career-low 10.9% strikeout rate. READ MORE...
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2018 14:55:21 GMT -5
Segura is a good SS, who lacks the range or arm of Didi, but has good hands and makes all the expected plays. He also has some power, having once hit as many as 20 HR in a season. His biggest plus is his contact hitting, and it's rewarded him with three consecutive .300+ seasons with a moderate OBP due to his free-swinging style...He's also stolen a minimum of 20 bases per year for the last six seasons, though his success rate has been a bit suspect over the past two seasons (42SB, 19 CS). He's not Didi, but we could do worse...though since he has a NTC, if he won't give it up to go to Philly, which appears to be building a strong team for the near future, would he do so to go to NY? Hmmm. We assume so many things...
* Note: Like most SS, who "also play second base" there is a reason that he is sometimes moved to 2B, which is that...well, like I said...he doesn't have the range nor the arm of Didi...
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Post by kaybli on Dec 3, 2018 16:37:39 GMT -5
Segura to Phillies seems to be done. He will waive his no trade.
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2018 16:54:39 GMT -5
Santana has been remarkably consistent during his career. Though he’s only 32, it seems like he should be at least 5 years older to me. In his 8 full seasons, he’s driven in between 74 and 87 runs every year. While he hit a career low .229 last season he continued to draw walks at a lusty rate, and has ranged between that mark of .229 and .268 every season.
I saw a rumor he was NY bound a couple of days ago, and was hoping not...I said he’s been consistent, not consistently good. He’s also consistent in the field (consistently poor), and on the bases (consistently slow). He’s a good example of what Sanchez could turn out to be if he doesn’t switch gears this season, a failed catcher DH’ing or playing a poor first base.
Get off your ass, Gary! I mean it, lad! Cash is standing behind you! (Or it became obvious we couldn’t pry Realmuto away from the Miami Jeters)...
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 3, 2018 18:39:12 GMT -5
Segura to Phillies seems to be done. He will waive his no trade.
I didn’t understand what the Mets were doing in the first deal and now I don’t understand what the Mariners are doing with this one. |
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2018 18:57:46 GMT -5
Segura to Phillies seems to be done. He will waive his no trade.
I didn’t understand what the Mets were doing in the first deal and now I don’t understand what the Mariners are doing with this one. JP Crawford was the object of the Mariners desire. The Phils apparently forced Santana on them to get rid of him... |
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Post by greatfatness on Dec 3, 2018 19:04:22 GMT -5
I didn’t understand what the Mets were doing in the first deal and now I don’t understand what the Mariners are doing with this one. JP Crawford was the object of the Mariners desire. The Phils apparently forced Santana on them to get rid of him... I see. I would have thought they could have gotten more value for Segura but I guess not. |
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2018 19:19:36 GMT -5
JP Crawford was the object of the Mariners desire. The Phils apparently forced Santana on them to get rid of him... I see. I would have thought they could have gotten more value for Segura but I guess not. I’m not sure what Crawford offers that’s so appealing. He seems to be a good-field, no-hit SS/2B/3B. Those kind seldom become impact players in today’s game... The Mariners also had to toss in Nicasio. He was crappy last year after being very good in 2017. As an eight year veteran he seemed more like a non-tender candidate to me than a trade piece that a potential contender would take on. Just an odd deal all over... |
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Post by hawaiiyankee on Dec 3, 2018 20:05:52 GMT -5
Just curious, is there a reason the Yankees didn't go after Scherzer when he was a free agent? Were they trying to reduce payroll like this article suggest? nypost.com/2018/12/03/yankees-wont-have-to-wait-long-to-learn-patrick-corbin-fate/I just notice it's not very often an ace becomes available on the open market so we should've went for it. If we didn't sign Ellsbury the year before then we definitely would've been in the sweepstakes? If Scherzer was on our staff you think we win at least 1 World Series title? Might've made the difference in 2017. |
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Post by inger on Dec 3, 2018 20:26:01 GMT -5
Just curious, is there a reason the Yankees didn't go after Scherzer when he was a free agent? Were they trying to reduce payroll like this article suggest? nypost.com/2018/12/03/yankees-wont-have-to-wait-long-to-learn-patrick-corbin-fate/I just notice it's not very often an ace becomes available on the open market so we should've went for it. If we didn't sign Ellsbury the year before then we definitely would've been in the sweepstakes? If Scherzer was on our staff you think we win at least 1 World Series title? Might've made the difference in 2017. I think Ellsbury was a pimple on the ass of the elephant, but he did play a role. The Yankees sited the then expense of CC @$23M, Tanaka @22m, the new signing of Ellsbury, luxury tax burdens and a few other reasons as they began their trend of poor-mouthing and austerity. Sure. It might have made a difference if they had Scherzer, but maybe not the one you think. The team would have had to find another way to meet their financial goals. I have no idea how they would have done that unless they could have flipped Ellsbury, but even then the team was thinking that Big Max might cost $25M per year. would they have outbid the Nats at $30M+? These kind of questions are what we call “revisionist history”, as at the time Scherzer looked like a super ace about ready go on a Hall of Fame sort of run. Looking in the rear view mirror, I would have gladly parted company with CC or even Tanaka, certainly Ellsbury, to make room. At the time, the bet was not quite as certain. CC could have continued at a high level, or Tanaka (still young, even now) could have been the one to become a super ace... |
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