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Post by goodyear on Jan 15, 2019 19:47:44 GMT -5
Great pitcher. Far better than he was given credit for. Amazing accomplishments considering the ridiculous talent CBS put on those teams. Those were hard games to watch. He was usually matched up against the opponents top pitcher and still managed 3 20 win seasons. If Degrom thinks he had it rough he should have pitched with those teams.
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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2019 20:01:11 GMT -5
Great pitcher. Far better than he was given credit for. Amazing accomplishments considering the ridiculous talent CBS put on those teams. Those were hard games to watch. He was usually matched up against the opponents top pitcher and still managed 3 20 win seasons. If Degrom thinks he had it rough he should have pitched with those teams. So, goodyear, it seems you also watched the horrors of those seasons. It would be one thing to go through bad seasons with franchise “X”, but being a young Yankee fan and thinking you’re team was destined to win every season forever... that was a killer, wasn’t it?... Are you a resident of NY?... |
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Post by utahyank on Jan 15, 2019 20:02:21 GMT -5
I could not pass a post of respect for Mel.....I thought he so much mirrored the pitching and game tenacity of Raschi....
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 15, 2019 20:49:47 GMT -5
I could not pass a post of respect for Mel.....I thought he so much mirrored the pitching and game tenacity of Raschi.... Mr. Utah -- thanks so much for coming back on here. We miss your one-of-a-kind recollections and hope you will go back to chipping in with your historical perspective. It is always appreciated. Yep, Mel richly earned the respect of Yankee fans from several generations. It makes me happy to see so many fond memories of this outstanding man. Unquestionably the best Yankee pitcher between the eras of Ford and Guidry. I like the Raschi comparison. |
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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2019 20:52:36 GMT -5
I could not pass a post of respect for Mel.....I thought he so much mirrored the pitching and game tenacity of Raschi.... Mr. Utah -- thanks so much for coming back on here. We miss your one-of-a-kind recollections and hope you will go back to chipping in with your historical perspective. It is always appreciated. Yep, Mel richly earned the respect of Yankee fans from several generations. It makes me happy to see so many fond memories of this outstanding man. Unquestionably the best Yankee pitcher between the eras of Ford and Guidry. I like the Raschi comparison. Yep. It’s quite unlikely that anyone else on the site could have presented that comp. And since I never saw Raschi pitch I’m helpless to dispute the comp, so will instead take it for an undiscovered (until now) gospel... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 15, 2019 20:55:15 GMT -5
I'll never forget him coming up in 64' and saving the Yankees arse. I was at an old timers game at the Stadium and he got a huge hand. Class guy all the way. It's amazing how many people have that identical memory about how he saved the season, and he truly did. I had that same discussion with Jwild and Banfoulballs many moons ago, and it was almost like we lived in the same house at the same time in the way we remembered it. And now I see it again here on this thread. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 15, 2019 20:56:56 GMT -5
Mr. Utah -- thanks so much for coming back on here. We miss your one-of-a-kind recollections and hope you will go back to chipping in with your historical perspective. It is always appreciated. Yep, Mel richly earned the respect of Yankee fans from several generations. It makes me happy to see so many fond memories of this outstanding man. Unquestionably the best Yankee pitcher between the eras of Ford and Guidry. I like the Raschi comparison. Yep. It’s quite unlikely that anyone else on the site could have presented that comp. And since I never saw Raschi pitch I’m helpless to dispute the comp, so will instead take it for an undiscovered (until now) gospel... Yeah, Utah could be pulling our leg and we would never know it!! He could tell us a story about Tiny Bonham or Bob Kuzava, and who could argue? Although I don't think he's that kind of guy. |
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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2019 21:02:45 GMT -5
Yep. It’s quite unlikely that anyone else on the site could have presented that comp. And since I never saw Raschi pitch I’m helpless to dispute the comp, so will instead take it for an undiscovered (until now) gospel... Yeah, Utah could be pulling our leg and we would never know it!! He could tell us a story about Tiny Bonham or Bob Kuzava, and who could argue? Although I don't think he's that kind of guy. Going back to your earlier post, Pipps... Darn, a man couldn’t ask for much better than to be the man that held top honors on the staff between Whitey and Gator...Speaking of lifetime memories...Howsabout that 18 strikeout game by Guidry. That was the day Sparky’s slider lessons hit serious paydirt... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 15, 2019 21:15:24 GMT -5
Going back to your earlier post, Pipps... Darn, a man couldn’t ask for much better than to be the man that held top honors on the staff between Whitey and Gator...Speaking of lifetime memories...Howsabout that 18 strikeout game by Guidry. That was the day Sparky’s slider lessons hit serious paydirt... Guidry in his prime was a thing of beauty. Took your breath away. One of the most fun Yankee pitchers to watch in action. Some pitchers are just fun. El Duque was another. And Steve Hamilton. |
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Post by inger on Jan 15, 2019 21:43:02 GMT -5
Going back to your earlier post, Pipps... Darn, a man couldn’t ask for much better than to be the man that held top honors on the staff between Whitey and Gator...Speaking of lifetime memories...Howsabout that 18 strikeout game by Guidry. That was the day Sparky’s slider lessons hit serious paydirt... Guidry in his prime was a thing of beauty. Took your breath away. One of the most fun Yankee pitchers to watch in action. Some pitchers are just fun. El Duque was another. And Steve Hamilton. Steve “Folly Floater” Hamilton. At the time the only taller MLB player ever was Gene Conley at 6’8” to Hamilton’s 6’7 string bean frame. Hamilton’s legs had obviously been poached from a giraffe. I became an immediate fan the day I saw him enter a baseball game by stepping over the bullpen gate instead of opening it. There is also the semi-sweet memory of the famous back to back Folly Floater episode with Tony Horton. There was laughter from most when the highlight of Horton popping out to Munson and crawling to the dugout on his hands and knees was shown. What we didn’t know wax that the event occurred as Horton was in a deep batting slump...and an even deeper emotional slump that would lead to his suicide attempt.. It’s so easy to forget these guys are human, have frailties, good or bad personalities, and go through good and bad times. Some bad times can be fixed with the money they make today, though not all. In those days, the money wasn’t all that big for many players... |
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Post by goodyear on Jan 16, 2019 20:39:27 GMT -5
I have been a NJ resident my entire life and a Yankee fan since I can remember Inger. Grew up watching a great team slowly deteriorate which seemed to coincide with Mantle's deteriorating knees. Hard to believe they were so pathetic for so many years. They say it's always darkest before the dawn, but that was one long dark spell.
As an aside, George bought the team in 73 for around 8M. Love him or hate him he was a Maverick who wasn't afraid to put it on the line. His son, I'm afraid, is more about penny pinching. The team is worth over 3 billion today and Hal better start warming up to the fact that squirreling away every penny isn't how that happened. CBS tried this approach and it didn't work then and it isn't going to work now. Yeah George wasn't perfect but damn, that guy made things happen. You don't do that by hiding in your office and playing with your lionel set.
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Post by inger on Jan 16, 2019 20:46:53 GMT -5
I have been a NJ resident my entire life and a Yankee fan since I can remember Inger. Grew up watching a great team slowly deteriorate which seemed to coincide with Mantle's deteriorating knees. Hard to believe they were so pathetic for so many years. They say it's always darkest before the dawn, but that was one long dark spell. As an aside, George bought the team in 73 for around 8M. Love him or hate him he was a Maverick who wasn't afraid to put it on the line. His son, I'm afraid, is more about penny pinching. The team is worth over 3 billion today and Hal better start warming up to the fact that squirreling away every penny isn't how that happened. CBS tried this approach and it didn't work then and it isn't going to work now. Yeah George wasn't perfect but damn, that guy made things happen. You don't do that by hiding in your office and playing with your lionel set. Sounds like we’re pretty close to the same age. I didn’t get to start watching baseball at all until 1963, when I was nine. That had to do with my mother’s hatred of the game and a relative isolation from other children due to our living circumstance until that point of my life. I only saw other kids when I was at school before then...so I actually became a Yankee fan before I ever saw or played a baseball game... |
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Post by inger on Jan 16, 2019 20:50:46 GMT -5
I have been a NJ resident my entire life and a Yankee fan since I can remember Inger. Grew up watching a great team slowly deteriorate which seemed to coincide with Mantle's deteriorating knees. Hard to believe they were so pathetic for so many years. They say it's always darkest before the dawn, but that was one long dark spell. As an aside, George bought the team in 73 for around 8M. Love him or hate him he was a Maverick who wasn't afraid to put it on the line. His son, I'm afraid, is more about penny pinching. The team is worth over 3 billion today and Hal better start warming up to the fact that squirreling away every penny isn't how that happened. CBS tried this approach and it didn't work then and it isn't going to work now. Yeah George wasn't perfect but damn, that guy made things happen. You don't do that by hiding in your office and playing with your lionel set. Sounds like we’re pretty close to the same age. I didn’t get to start watching baseball at all until 1963, when I was nine. That had to do with my mother’s hatred of the game and a relative isolation from other children due to our living circumstance until that point of my life. I only saw other kids when I was at school before then...so I actually became a Yankee fan before I ever saw or played a baseball game... Oh, and yes. George was a genius. Not only did he take chances to rebuild the Yankees as a dynasty, but he also cultivated the self-image of villain to assist in remaking the Yankees as the villain to fans in every city of America. What people sometimes saw as a bumbling fool was actually a carefully cultivated image to boost Yankee attendance both st home (loved) and on the road (hated). Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant strategy... |
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Post by goodyear on Jan 17, 2019 1:16:33 GMT -5
I totally agree George was a genius. We were fortunate to see it all first hand. I'm not positive about what year I started watching them but it was most likely 61. I remember guys like Boyer, bobble ball Kubek, Richardson, Moose, Elston, Yogi,Mantle,Blanchard and Maris. Whitey with his water bottle. All just a memory now.
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Post by inger on Jan 17, 2019 10:05:40 GMT -5
I totally agree George was a genius. We were fortunate to see it all first hand. I'm not positive about what year I started watching them but it was most likely 61. I remember guys like Boyer, bobble ball Kubek, Richardson, Moose, Elston, Yogi,Mantle,Blanchard and Maris. Whitey with his water bottle. All just a memory now. Same group of guys I started watching. Not too much changed in those days until...well...you know...thud... |
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