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Post by kaybli on Oct 22, 2017 22:27:44 GMT -5
Right now we have Judge, Cashman's Guy, Gardner, Ellsbury, and Clint Frazier in the OF. Seems like one of them must go. Excluding Judge of course. Would it be possible to trade Ellsbury? Gardner? Would you trade Cashman's Guy?
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Post by chsdawolf on Oct 22, 2017 23:48:10 GMT -5
I like Hicks, but he gets hurt a lot and he had a dreadful post-season. With that said, the first option to move is Ellsbury. He isn't even worth a fraction of his contract. I would move Ellsbury even if it meant we have to pick up part of his contract like we have had to do for McCann in Houston. Even though we are paying for McCann partially, we still are saving money. Even if the Yankees have to pay part of his contract, that would still help the Yankees a lot in getting the luxury tax threshold.
The problem is, Ellsbury's trade value is so diminished right now. Our best hope is that Ellsbury starts the first half of the season well while Frazier works on some things in AAA. This will raise his trade value and allow us better options to move him while eating part of his contract.
If we can't move Ellsbury I would be open to flipping Hicks for something. Again, I like Hicks but I don't think his career arc will be like Didi's turned out. I think he's a solid player with a high injury rate.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 23, 2017 1:01:47 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but the easy option here is to leave frazier in AAA for another year. Ellsbury has a full NTC and no one probably wants that control which has 3 more years on it. Gardner is too important to the team to trade (even though he does go in black holes sometimes) and I think they are too high on Hicks to get rid of him. So sending Frazier to AAA is probably the easiest and most likely option.
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Post by kaybli on Oct 23, 2017 1:17:16 GMT -5
I'd eat half of Ellsbury's contract but I don't think there's anyone out there who would even want him at 11 million a year. I'm sure they've tried. And then he has a NTC to boot.  |
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Post by inger on Oct 23, 2017 10:26:40 GMT -5
I'd eat half of Ellsbury's contract but I don't think there's anyone out there who would even want him at 11 million a year. I'm sure they've tried. And then he has a NTC to boot. [img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/cYJDdrfMoRBryreIqHCt.gif" alt=" "] All of this talk about eating Ellsbury's contract accomplishes nothing. What the team should do is to actually eat Ellsbury. If they eat him, boom! Problem solved. No more Ellsbury... Fatten him up a bit first, make him an Ellsbury Doughboy... |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Oct 23, 2017 10:39:03 GMT -5
I think Ellsbury has to be the main target to move. I had thought Gardy for a long time because his contract seems like the easiest to move but hes just so important to this team in their current form and we now have to be looking at a WS run in 2018. A 4 man OF with Judge, Gardner, Hicks, and Frazier would work for me.
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Post by inger on Oct 23, 2017 10:42:25 GMT -5
I think Ellsbury has to be the main target to move. I had thought Gardy for a long time because his contract seems like the easiest to move but hes just so important to this team in their current form and we now have to be looking at a WS run in 2018. A 4 man OF with Judge, Gardner, Cashman's Guy, and Frazier would work for me. So, once again I make a fine suggestion and "people like you" decide to ignore it...Well let's see how much you get when you "move" Ellsbury. At least someone will benefit by getting the vitamins out of eating him. Hell, Judge and CC could probably down that little skinny turd in one post-game spread... |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 23, 2017 10:50:55 GMT -5
The question becomes is Ellsbury even movable at this point? Would a team want him at 7, 8 million dollars a year if we eat (hat tip to Inger) the rest? I wouldn't if I was a GM. Who wants a washed up one hit wonder of a CFer whose 34 with three years left on his deal plus a 5 million dollar buyout the next year?
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Oct 23, 2017 11:00:56 GMT -5
The question becomes is Ellsbury even movable at this point? Would a team want him at 7, 8 million dollars a year if we eat (hat tip to Inger) the rest? I wouldn't if I was a GM. Who wants a washed up one hit wonder of a CFer whose 34 with three years left on his deal plus a 5 million dollar buyout the next year? Thats the 68 million dollar question. Hes still probably a starting CF in the league but hes certainly in the bottom 10 of that group so at what salary level does he make sense for another club. Not really too sure. But what we did see this year and last year is that the Yankees havent had a problem either sitting or cutting ties with these older players who just cant hack it any longer (ARod, Ellsbury, Holliday). Ellsbury became a 4th or 5th outfielder for the Yankees for a period of time and basically never saw the field in 13 postseason games. They might just say that this point that they would be better off eating the $68mm and opening up a roster spot for someone more valuable. |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 23, 2017 11:10:26 GMT -5
Trading Ellsbury will be tough but maybe the Yankees can get creative, like finding a team with an overpaid catcher that they are trying to unload and include him in the deal with the Yanks picking up the catcher's salary while still eating some Ellsbury's contract. The catcher could be Sanchez's backup (I'm not a fan of Romine and wouldn't be upset if he was repalced).
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Post by kaybli on Oct 23, 2017 11:18:10 GMT -5
Trading Ellsbury will be tough but maybe the Yankees can get creative, like finding a team with an overpaid catcher that they are trying to unload and include him in the deal with the Yanks picking up the catcher's salary while still eating some Ellsbury's contract. The catcher could be Sanchez's backup (I'm not a fan of Romine and wouldn't be upset if he was repalced). Here are the catchers ranked by 2018 salaries: www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/2018/catcher/See any you like that would work in an Ellsbury trade? |
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 23, 2017 11:27:31 GMT -5
Trading Ellsbury will be tough but maybe the Yankees can get creative, like finding a team with an overpaid catcher that they are trying to unload and include him in the deal with the Yanks picking up the catcher's salary while still eating some Ellsbury's contract. The catcher could be Sanchez's backup (I'm not a fan of Romine and wouldn't be upset if he was repalced). Here are the catchers ranked by 2018 salaries: www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/2018/catcher/See any you like that would work in an Ellsbury trade? Thanks for the list. Devin Mesoraco might make sense if the Reds needed a CF but they have Hamilton who really isn't a good offensive player despite his speed. Looking at the list, Frankie Cervelli makes over 10 mil while Salvador Perez is grossly underpaid. Heck Frankie might be an opiton if the Pirates are looking dump his contract, he's due 10.5 mil in 2018 and 11.5 in 2019. |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 23, 2017 11:44:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the list. Devin Mesoraco might make sense if the Reds needed a CF but they have Hamilton who really isn't a good offensive player despite his speed. Looking at the list, Frankie Cervelli makes over 10 mil while Salvador Perez is grossly underpaid. Heck Frankie might be an opiton if the Pirates are looking dump his contract, he's due 10.5 mil in 2018 and 11.5 in 2019. Thats not a bad idea, CHI. You might be GM material just yet! The only concern I'd have is that Girardi would probably fall in love with him and use him at catcher 3 days a week while Sanchez DHs!  |
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Post by inger on Oct 23, 2017 12:59:53 GMT -5
Okay, since cannibalism isn't gaining any traction in this discussion (I swear there are times I don't feel like I'm taken seriously around here)...Gomes is getting pretty expensive for Cleveland, and Wieters is on the downside of his career but might still be able to find the seats a few times in Yankee Stadium. Even Jason Castro has a bit more pop than Romine, and $8M is only expensive in Minnesota...Mesoraco was a one year wonder who seems to have lost the starting job for good with the Reds...He has a bit of pop, but is there anything else worthwhile about his game? Perhaps if he starts hitting again he could also do some DH duty...
Basically, I wouldn't mind just cutting Ellsbury loose. I don't think there's much of a trade market, and the other catching options aren't overly appealing when we still have Romine and Higgy is still in the wings...Higashoika's injury and his MLB debut of 0 for 18 notwithstanding, he did hit .338 with 9 HR in 21 games in the minors last year. Even though that was a mixed bag of AAA and lower levels, he still seems to be showing that pop he showed in 2016. I would make room for Higashoika in the spring and if we send Romine down, he either gets claimed (I think he would) or he doesn't...It's not like we're going to get anything much for him in a trade either...(and I still like the guy behind the plate...just wish he wouldn't swing at EVERY first pitch he sees)...and most of the second and third ones...don't worry about the fourth pitches, he rarely sees one...
So there it is. I want Higashoika to get the job next year...
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Post by kaybli on Oct 23, 2017 13:06:22 GMT -5
So there it is. I want Higashoika to get the job next year... Gettin Higgy with it.  |
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