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Post by Uehara1 on Oct 23, 2017 13:27:32 GMT -5
My suggestion:
Trade Ellsbury (I know it is hard with the NTC and big salary, but it is doable). It might take adding a prospect or two- or a player from the 40 man roster to get a good return (likely low A guys who don't need 40 man roster protection for a couple years.
I saw this back on Pinstripes Plus (big billy, who gets a lot of grief) actually had what I think might be a good idea- trade Frazier plus to get Yelich. Yelich grades out as a relatively average to below defensive CF, but his LF defensive numbers are actually quite good. His high OBP and decent SB speed might help diversify an offense that got exposed against Houston. His K rates are a little high, but he has been a 4+ WAR player for two years running- and a lefty bat in Yankee Stadium might boost that a little.
If the Yanks can get Yelich, then they can move Gardner to CF and use Hicks in a super-sub OF role to get rest when needed.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 23, 2017 17:38:23 GMT -5
I think Ellsbury has to be the main target to move. I had thought Gardy for a long time because his contract seems like the easiest to move but hes just so important to this team in their current form and we now have to be looking at a WS run in 2018. A 4 man OF with Judge, Gardner, Cashman's Guy, and Frazier would work for me. So, once again I make a fine suggestion and "people like you" decide to ignore it...Well let's see how much you get when you "move" Ellsbury. At least someone will benefit by getting the vitamins out of eating him. Hell, Judge and CC could probably down that little skinny turd in one post-game spread... No, you're not being ignored. We just heard he tastes like cabbage. |
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 23, 2017 17:56:03 GMT -5
Hicks finally appeared to turn a corner offensively prior to his injury, and having someone who can play all three outfield positions is valuable. I think he gets another chance to stick. Ellsbury is untradeable...huge contract, no trade clause, oft injured, and he doesn't complain and isn't a distraction, a la AROD. With the trade of Mateo and Fowler, Ellsbury fills a need should Gardner, Hicks, or Judge get injured. If Frazier is up, Red Thunder has to play. So, Ellsbury comes off the bench either way, unless he gets hot or beats out Hicks in Spring training.
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Post by numbers on Oct 23, 2017 18:54:58 GMT -5
I'd eat half of Ellsbury's contract but I don't think there's anyone out there who would even want him at 11 million a year. I'm sure they've tried. And then he has a NTC to boot. [img alt="  " class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/cYJDdrfMoRBryreIqHCt.gif"] All of this talk about eating Ellsbury's contract accomplishes nothing. What the team should do is to actually eat Ellsbury. If they eat him, boom! Problem solved. No more Ellsbury... Fatten him up a bit first, make him an Ellsbury Doughboy... [ Kaybli,since CC didn’t end up eating Altuve,maybe you can get him to eat Ellsbury I think Ellsbury will quietly let it be known that he wants out. |
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Post by sierchio on Oct 23, 2017 19:31:59 GMT -5
Bye-Bye Hicksie!! Frazier to AAA for a month or two or whenever he pushes issue. Ells and Gardner in OF with Judge... Til Fraz comes and bye bye Ells/Gardy (whoever sucks worse)
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Post by chsdawolf on Oct 23, 2017 19:37:28 GMT -5
I do think Frazier needs a couple more months in AAA to work on his swing. I think he's MLB ready now (he basically proved that) but I would prefer for him to come into the major's as close to a finished product (like Sanchez did) as possible. The time in the major's was good for him. He got an extended run with the team, and now I think giving him 6-8 weeks to work on some of his flaws in AAA would really serve him well.
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Post by inger on Oct 23, 2017 20:39:32 GMT -5
I do think Frazier needs a couple more months in AAA to work on his swing. I think he's MLB ready now (he basically proved that) but I would prefer for him to come into the major's as close to a finished product (like Sanchez did) as possible. The time in the major's was good for him. He got an extended run with the team, and now I think giving him 6-8 weeks to work on some of his flaws in AAA would really serve him well. I think the main issue with Frazier is that he swings at too many pitches and gets behind in the count...only 7 BB in 142 plate appearances and an isolated OBP over BA of .037. The 17 XBH out of 31 total hits was amazingly good. With better discipline and his bat speed, he should be able to reduce strike outs dramatically...So, yes, chsdawolf...A couple more months in AAA would be a good way for him to work on that...and good for his ego as well... |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Oct 23, 2017 20:52:06 GMT -5
I do think Frazier needs a couple more months in AAA to work on his swing. I think he's MLB ready now (he basically proved that) but I would prefer for him to come into the major's as close to a finished product (like Sanchez did) as possible. The time in the major's was good for him. He got an extended run with the team, and now I think giving him 6-8 weeks to work on some of his flaws in AAA would really serve him well. I think the main issue with Frazier is that he swings at too many pitches and gets behind in the count...only 7 BB in 142 plate appearances and an isolated OBP over BA of .037. The 17 XBH out of 31 total hits was amazingly good. With better discipline and his bat speed, he should be able to reduce strike outs dramatically...So, yes, chsdawolf...A couple more months in AAA would be a good way for him to work on that...and good for his ego as well... Which is odd because he is a good OBP guy all throughout the minors with a strong spread between BA and OBP. We know the legendary bat speed with produce XBHs. Ill chalk most of it up to it being his first exposure to the Majors. |
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Post by inger on Oct 23, 2017 23:22:41 GMT -5
I think the main issue with Frazier is that he swings at too many pitches and gets behind in the count...only 7 BB in 142 plate appearances and an isolated OBP over BA of .037. The 17 XBH out of 31 total hits was amazingly good. With better discipline and his bat speed, he should be able to reduce strike outs dramatically...So, yes, chsdawolf...A couple more months in AAA would be a good way for him to work on that...and good for his ego as well... Which is odd because he is a good OBP guy all throughout the minors with a strong spread between BA and OBP. We know the legendary bat speed with produce XBHs. Ill chalk most of it up to it being his first exposure to the Majors. Yes, I agree 100%. First time up in the majors, more quality pitches thrown near the zone...I'm not damning him for it, but I think it's something he needs to learn to recognize. I heard some announcers on one of the games earlier this year talking about how selective he was, even though it wasn't showing up in the walk stats, and indeed there is "aggressively selective" and "passively selective", but as the year went on I thought he was less and less selective...The pitchers kind of got his number, that's all. His turn to adjust. Now, when I think about it, perhaps he shouldn't be sent down. He's not going to fix the problem of learning how to attack MLB pitchers by hitting in the minors. He already has shown minor league selectivity... |
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Post by kaybli on Oct 24, 2017 2:13:12 GMT -5
Kaybli,since CC didn’t end up eating Altuve,maybe you can get him to eat Ellsbury  |
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Post by inger on Oct 24, 2017 10:27:57 GMT -5
Kaybli,since CC didn’t end up eating Altuve,maybe you can get him to eat Ellsbury [img alt=" " class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/udcwFqPimnXDtjoTmoVL.gif"] At last, someone here is taking my suggestions seriously... |
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Post by greatfatness on Oct 24, 2017 21:25:37 GMT -5
Right now we have Judge, Cashman's Guy, Gardner, Ellsbury, and Clint Frazier in the OF. Seems like one of them must go. Excluding Judge of course. Would it be possible to trade Ellsbury? Gardner? Would you trade Cashman's Guy? I don’t think they need to move any of them. There’s likely no market for Ellsbury. If there is, deal him. Otherwise he is a part time DH together with Headley when he isn’t playing 3rd. Frazier is the 4th OF. |
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Post by inger on Oct 24, 2017 23:20:54 GMT -5
You know what? It just occurred to me that there is a possibility that I may have joked about having someone eat Ellsbury last season. Maybe I did, maybe not. If I did, then I realize that I may have to seek treatment. Or, I could just not worry about it and suggest that someone eats him next year. As long as I'm not the one eating him, it's not really all that sick...IS IT???
Your friend,
Hannibal...
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Post by lazera on Oct 25, 2017 0:27:58 GMT -5
trading ells is the only option. no one else is going anywhere. eat a chunk of his salary and make the move. hicks is cashs guy and gardner is valuable as the longest tenured guy. frazier is also cashs guy. and judge is judge.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Oct 25, 2017 1:33:27 GMT -5
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