When did Girardi lose the job?

When he feuded with Cashman behind the scenes.



(Pure speculation)

Or maybe when he said those things about Gary Sanchez.

I had forgotten the Sanchez issue. Joe did come back and re-explain after that one, and I felt he did a decent job of digging out of that hole. What I noticed, besides the infamous Aroldis Chapman tweet was the look of exasperation on the face of CC on both September 6 and September 11 when Joe came out with the early hook on him...I was going to pull up the game logs on those starts, but for some reason Baseball Reference is pulling up the fielding logs right now on pitchers when you click on game logs instead of the pitching lines. CC was doing well, and had hit a rough patch in the game of September 5, but still had the lead. After the bullpen came in, the game was quickly turned and we lost it. On September 11, the hook was even quicker, coming in the fifth inning...

With CC being such a veteran presence on the team, I think the rest of the team was likely just a puzzled by those moves as CC, and there was likely a lot of behind the scenes discussion going on regarding those two changes...

I don't think the game that Joe pulled Severino out after four shutout innings (10/14 vs. Houston) was taken very well, either. Granted, Severino had no K's and didn't have his best stuff that day, but he was finding a way to get the job done. I think had he been allowed to pitch the fifth there would have been a whole different feel to the team's spirit in that one...

In reality, if there was any doubt those issues along with the failed challenge issue likely sealed the deal...especially when Joe made excuses for not challenging that seemed illogical...

I would also speculate that whatever led to the final decision is something that happened well before we saw anything. Maybe it was even something that happened last season, and for the good of the organization the FO decided to give Girardi on more season for the sake of continuity to see if they could get him on the same page with them. The thing that seemed to me to be the most damning was Girardi's apparent mistrust of new players, especially YOUNG new players which ran against the grain of the organizational philosophy for the past few seasons...Seems sometimes when a person is getting paid a lot to do a job they begin to think they can take liberties...but with that higher pay comes higher expectations, not lower...

If he won the WS, I doubt he would have been let go unless they pulled some too expensive contract excuse. If he lost the WS, he's probably still a goner. Cash doesn't mess around.
 

Apparently Cashman fought hard against resigning him back in 2013, but Hal overrode him on the issue. This time around Cash clearly has enough pull to make the call.

So sometime prior to 2013 it seems.

Is this reality, or is it a media ploy to make this start to play out like a soap opera???

I just hope they get on with it and get someone hired...There's no sense heading into a new season without a manager in the fold...