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Post by chsdawolf on Oct 31, 2017 23:37:02 GMT -5
Considering his injury history, along with the Yankees trying to get under the luxury tax threshold, I would be shocked if the Yankees bring him back if he opts out. Legitimately shocked.
I would imagine the Yankees go Severino-Gray-Sabathia(brought back on a one year deal)-Montgomery and then sign a 5th pitcher (hopefully Otani). I think eventually Chance Adams will be called up next season like Severino was a couple of years ago.
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Nov 1, 2017 8:44:16 GMT -5
Considering his injury history Can we stop pretending this is a thing? Tanaka's elbow hanging by a thread has been a nonsense narrative for 4 straight seasons. |
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Post by kaybli on Nov 1, 2017 8:58:30 GMT -5
Considering his injury history Can we stop pretending this is a thing? Tanaka's elbow hanging by a thread has been a nonsense narrative for 4 straight seasons. But Joe, its a ticking time bomb!  |
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Post by inger on Nov 1, 2017 9:44:15 GMT -5
Can we stop pretending this is a thing? Tanaka's elbow hanging by a thread has been a nonsense narrative for 4 straight seasons. But Joe, its a ticking time bomb! [img src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/FaPDancotIiOvGyPqDbu.gif" class="smile" alt=" "] I don't see it as a time bomb, but is most certainly is a medical reality that I would factor in if I were a GM... So we COULD take the other tactic here and say, "let's not pretend this is NOT a thing"... So amazing that the pitchers of yesteryear likely had injuries like this that no one knew they had. We have no idea if all of those pitchers went the way of Mel Stottlemyre or if some of them were able to continue to pitch and won 300 games...But now that we know, well...we know...so we can't pretend we don't know...you know??? |
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Post by michcusejoe5 on Nov 1, 2017 10:24:09 GMT -5
But Joe, its a ticking time bomb! [img class="smile" src="//storage.proboards.com/6828121/images/FaPDancotIiOvGyPqDbu.gif" alt=" "] I don't see it as a time bomb, but is most certainly is a medical reality that I would factor in if I were a GM... So we COULD take the other tactic here and say, "let's not pretend this is NOT a thing"... So amazing that the pitchers of yesteryear likely had injuries like this that no one knew they had. We have no idea if all of those pitchers went the way of Mel Stottlemyre or if some of them were able to continue to pitch and won 300 games...But now that we know, well...we know...so we can't pretend we don't know...you know??? We've been promised year after year that Tanaka's arm is going to fall off only for him to show increasing durability each year. He has given no indication that he is any more susceptible to anything related to his elbow than any other pitcher right now. Nothing but a talking point. |
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Post by numbers on Nov 1, 2017 17:17:01 GMT -5
I don't see it as a time bomb, but is most certainly is a medical reality that I would factor in if I were a GM... So we COULD take the other tactic here and say, "let's not pretend this is NOT a thing"... So amazing that the pitchers of yesteryear likely had injuries like this that no one knew they had. We have no idea if all of those pitchers went the way of Mel Stottlemyre or if some of them were able to continue to pitch and won 300 games...But now that we know, well...we know...so we can't pretend we don't know...you know??? We've been promised year after year that Tanaka's arm is going to fall off only for him to show increasing durability each year. He has given no indication that he is any more susceptible to anything related to his elbow than any other pitcher right now. Nothing but a talking point. Wainright is the best known but there are numerous ML pitchers who’ve succeeded pitching with partial tears until they haven’t as almost all have eventually undergone TJS. If I’m wrong,my apolgies.If I’m right,why are you guys not accepting this reality? |
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Post by Uehara1 on Nov 2, 2017 21:48:00 GMT -5
We've been promised year after year that Tanaka's arm is going to fall off only for him to show increasing durability each year. He has given no indication that he is any more susceptible to anything related to his elbow than any other pitcher right now. Nothing but a talking point. Wainright is the best known but there are numerous ML pitchers who’ve succeeded pitching with partial tears until they haven’t as almost all have eventually undergone TJS. If I’m wrong,my apolgies.If I’m right,why are you guys not accepting this reality? EVERY pitcher is susceptible to TJ surgery. Strasburg was supposed to have the perfect mechanics- and has ended up hurt more often than not. While Pineda's shoulder woes are well known, he had no elbow issues at all- until he needed TJ in July. It is a fact of life for pitchers. Most teams have accepted this as a cost of doing business. |
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Post by inger on Nov 3, 2017 1:03:15 GMT -5
Why, certainly that is true. Every pitcher is susceptible. Only not every one has had an image taken that shows that he has the least desirable outlook possible short of a completely torn tendon. I'm not pretending to be the most educated person in the world on this subject, but it would seem to me that when you have that kind of prognosis that many if not all GMs might consider it to be a part of their due diligence to decide if the money might be floated out there at a more than average risk factor and might at the very least lower the dollar value they would place on the product before purchasing it. Shoot, think of it like a used car...
"Mr. Uehara, you know that leak coming from the rear seal? It may not ever wind up needing attention. Why not just give me the same amount of money for that car as the identical model next to it that hasn't started leaking yet. I mean, it stands to reason that if one is leaking the other will start soon anyway...All cars are subject to leaking rear seals, you know...
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Post by greatfatness on Nov 3, 2017 9:42:04 GMT -5
"Mr. Uehara, you know that leak coming from the rear seal? That's awfully personal |
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Post by inger on Nov 3, 2017 9:57:08 GMT -5
"Mr. Uehara, you know that leak coming from the rear seal? That's awfully personal LOL. Well, truth is truth after all. I remember a friend of mine talking about a particular golf game he was playing one day where one of the members of the two foursomes doing battle was wearing white shorts which apparently became striped with a brown streak down the lower middle of the back on one of the early holes (yes, apparently HIS hole was a bit early, too)... No one told him, and he played happily all day long. It was probably more of an issue when they stopped at the turn and then when they went in for beers after the round... The moral of the story is that it's best to reveal information about the leaking rear seal as early as possible. Perhaps it can be fixed during a routine oil change... |
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Post by Uehara1 on Nov 3, 2017 14:55:11 GMT -5
Why, certainly that is true. Every pitcher is susceptible. Only not every one has had an image taken that shows that he has the least desirable outlook possible short of a completely torn tendon. I'm not pretending to be the most educated person in the world on this subject, but it would seem to me that when you have that kind of prognosis that many if not all GMs might consider it to be a part of their due diligence to decide if the money might be floated out there at a more than average risk factor and might at the very least lower the dollar value they would place on the product before purchasing it. Shoot, think of it like a used car... "Mr. Uehara, you know that leak coming from the rear seal? It may not ever wind up needing attention. Why not just give me the same amount of money for that car as the identical model next to it that hasn't started leaking yet. I mean, it stands to reason that if one is leaking the other will start soon anyway...All cars are subject to leaking rear seals, you know... I remember an article several years ago when Baltimore was doing its usual attempt to back out of a multi-year deal for a SP based on the medicals- the article cited some GM or coach or some team-connected person who said something to the effect that if you did an MRI on every pitcher in baseball, you would find enough damage to question signing the pitcher, so you just deal with what you know and let the rest take care of itself. |
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Post by sierchio on Nov 3, 2017 18:03:16 GMT -5
Big U! I remember reading that too. I also read something similar about slipped/herniated discs in the average persons back. It'll show in most x-rays (in most people)... and a surgeon can convince the patient surgery is necessary... even though almost everyone has a herniated/slipped disk.. (I don't remember which it was) Just a little factoid I figured I'd add in. I don't know if it ads any value to the current conversation though. I'm assuming the same is true with pitchers. Most MRI's will reveal some kind of damage in the throwing arm, just because of the nature of pitching.
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Post by anthonyd46 on Nov 3, 2017 18:24:41 GMT -5
He’s not opting out :
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Post by anthonyd46 on Nov 3, 2017 18:26:00 GMT -5
You get to use your images still kaybli
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Post by kaybli on Nov 3, 2017 18:35:05 GMT -5
Wow I am shocked! Surely he could have got a better deal somewhere else! He is the rare player who valued team over money! I guess the cynics will say he must be hurt or something. But I respect the man for this decision! I can use my million Tanaka pics now! Tanaka staying in the Bronx!!!  |
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