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Post by bearman on Jun 14, 2019 9:15:57 GMT -5
Our starting pitching is turning into what a lot of us felt that it would turn into before the season. I was hoping for different results but this is not a championship winning starting staff. Our first 4 hitters last night were 0-16 with 8 strikeouts. It is time for Hicks to start producing. Unless there is something we don't know injuries are not an excuse.
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Post by inger on Jun 14, 2019 9:50:40 GMT -5
Our starting pitching is turning into what a lot of us felt that it would turn into before the season. I was hoping for different results but this is not a championship winning starting staff. Our first 4 hitters last night were 0-16 with 8 strikeouts. It is time for Hicks to start producing. Unless there is something we don't know injuries are not an excuse. I get the frustration, bearman. Since June 2, Hicks has an OPS of .930 despite a BABIP of .230. I think he’ll be fine. The top of the line up has had a rough couple of days. Today is another day. The pitching is indeed a deep concern. When healthy, it’s a pretty good bunch, but health is not one of this teams better assets... |
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Post by bearman on Jun 14, 2019 10:30:50 GMT -5
Our starting pitching is turning into what a lot of us felt that it would turn into before the season. I was hoping for different results but this is not a championship winning starting staff. Our first 4 hitters last night were 0-16 with 8 strikeouts. It is time for Hicks to start producing. Unless there is something we don't know injuries are not an excuse. I get the frustration, bearman. Since June 2, Hicks has an OPS of .930 despite a BABIP of .230. I think he’ll be fine. The top of the line up has had a rough couple of days. Today is another day. The pitching is indeed a deep concern. When healthy, it’s a pretty good bunch, but health is not one of this teams better assets... I believe last night's lousy performance by the top of the lineup was an outlier. Not much to complain about with that group ordinarily. My frustration with Hicks comes more with the contract we gave him. I thought that was dumb. I'm not piling on him but he is hitting 195 with runners on base and 250 with runners in scoring position. Since I am bitching it also bugs the crap out of me that we have so many key players striking out 25% or more of the time. Anyway the season is far from over and the Red Sox are behind us so I will remain optimistic, except with our starting pitching. |
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Post by inger on Jun 14, 2019 12:20:13 GMT -5
I get the frustration, bearman. Since June 2, Hicks has an OPS of .930 despite a BABIP of .230. I think he’ll be fine. The top of the line up has had a rough couple of days. Today is another day. The pitching is indeed a deep concern. When healthy, it’s a pretty good bunch, but health is not one of this teams better assets... I believe last night's lousy performance by the top of the lineup was an outlier. Not much to complain about with that group ordinarily. My frustration with Hicks comes more with the contract we gave him. I thought that was dumb. I'm not piling on him but he is hitting 195 with runners on base and 250 with runners in scoring position. Since I am bitching it also bugs the crap out of me that we have so many key players striking out 25% or more of the time. Anyway the season is far from over and the Red Sox are behind us so I will remain optimistic, except with our starting pitching. Just remember that Hick’s numbers are still a very small sample size for a player returning from injury. The fact that he appears to be a late bloomer and doesn’t have a long track record of being productive (.235 career average) means the Yankees did indeed go out on a limb making a commitment to him like they did. Hicks also provides a value as a CF with both range and a strong arm that most CF don’t have. I too want to see him back to being a near .400 OBP guy with pop, and am hopeful he’ll get there. I’m hoping we get some good news about a bolstering of this pitching staff soon, but it appears from the news on why the Yanks didn’t obtain Keuchel that if we are to get any major upgrades we’ll have to dump a contract off on someone else in order to do it... |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 14, 2019 14:26:35 GMT -5
His BA now (about .220) is not very far from his career BA (about .232). He might hit for more power, but not average.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 14, 2019 14:39:29 GMT -5
His BA now (about .220) is not very far from his career BA (about .232). He might hit for more power, but not average. Hicks's BA since he has been with the Yankees is .242, with an OBP of .342. Those numbers won't get you to Cooperstown, but it gives a little more context to how he has played in a way that is relevant to the Yankees. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 14, 2019 16:08:57 GMT -5
Is .242 that much better than .232 ?  My entirely, ahistorical dividing line between ok and not is .250. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 14, 2019 16:22:03 GMT -5
Is .242 that much better than .232 ? My entirely, ahistorical dividing line between ok and not is .250. No, but a .342 OBP is respectable. And a better measure of his offensive value. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 14, 2019 16:59:37 GMT -5
I am old school pipps. A walk is not the same as a single to my mind. So I focus on BA not OBP |
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Post by inger on Jun 14, 2019 18:21:41 GMT -5
Is .242 that much better than .232 ? My entirely, ahistorical dividing line between ok and not is .250. No, but a .342 OBP is respectable. And a better measure of his offensive value. But how good is he at bunting? Drag bunt, push bunt?...And gently steering the ball away from defenders? The good old hit and run? Has he ever hit a Baltimore Chop in his career?... Gee, sometimes you can be so frustrating to deal with Pipps. It’s like you never even saw a dead ball game... |
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 14, 2019 18:51:58 GMT -5
No, but a .342 OBP is respectable. And a better measure of his offensive value. But how good is he at bunting? Drag bunt, push bunt?...And gently steering the ball away from defenders? The good old hit and run? Has he ever hit a Baltimore Chop in his career?... Gee, sometimes you can be so frustrating to deal with Pipps. It’s like you never even saw a dead ball game... Funny you mentioned the deadball era, Inger. I actually think that would have been an exciting era for baseball. Fences over 500 feet away, lots of triples, a rough aggressive game, wild unsocialized characters who today would be heavily medicated. Spitballs, gloves the size of your hand, heart on the sleeve baseball. I think it would have been really colorful, if much less disciplined, compared to what came later. |
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Post by noetsi on Jun 14, 2019 19:03:58 GMT -5
The players would end up in jail given that a lot of the behavior then is illegal now. Ty Cobb would never make it....
Baseball would be constantly in the news, but not for the right reasons.
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Post by kaybli on Jun 14, 2019 19:04:28 GMT -5
I am old school pipps. A walk is not the same as a single to my mind. So I focus on BA not OBP To be specific, a walk is about 78% as good as a single. It’s perfectly reasonable to prefer a hit to a walk, but a walk is much better than an out and if you’re going to use a basic rate statistic, use a stat that includes walks.
Let’s do something very simple to understand the power of OBP vs AVG. I took each team’s seasons from 2006-2012 and compared their runs scored to AVG and OBP. The correlation is much stronger for OBP than AVG. For batting average the adjusted R squared is .612. For OBP, it’s .7738. In other words, you can explain 61% of the variation in runs scored with batting average and 77% of the variation in runs scored with OBP. OBP is more highly correlated with scoring runs than batting average. Why wouldn’t you want to look at stats that better predict scoring?
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Post by pippsheadache on Jun 14, 2019 19:10:52 GMT -5
The players would end up in jail given that a lot of the behavior then is illegal now. Ty Cobb would never make it.... Baseball would be constantly in the news, but not for the right reasons. Ty Cobb, like any great athlete, would adjust his game to prevailing conditions. As would Mike Trout have done had he played in the deadball era. It's what the best in all eras in all sports do. |
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Post by inger on Jun 14, 2019 19:10:58 GMT -5
But how good is he at bunting? Drag bunt, push bunt?...And gently steering the ball away from defenders? The good old hit and run? Has he ever hit a Baltimore Chop in his career?... Gee, sometimes you can be so frustrating to deal with Pipps. It’s like you never even saw a dead ball game... Funny you mentioned the deadball era, Inger. I actually think that would have been an exciting era for baseball. Fences over 500 feet away, lots of triples, a rough aggressive game, wild unsocialized characters who today would be heavily medicated. Spitballs, gloves the size of your hand, heart on the sleeve baseball. I think it would have been really colorful, if much less disciplined, compared to what came later. If we had lived back then, we surely would have loved the game. The mud, the blood, and the beer. Sharpened spikes. Small gloves? No gloves! I recall few times when in our gang of kids we’d have some guys show up without a glove, and we’d share gloves. I even let our third baseman use mine one game because I was in the outfield. I made a couple of decent catches that day, too! I used to bunt. I was fast, so I’d turn around to bat left handed and drag bunt, beating the ball down the line. It’s a good play in it’s place, and I figured if the Mick could do it, I could too! This sissy “don’t bump into anyone” style at 2B and the plate wouldn’t cut it either. If you got hurt, either your career was over or you just weren’t as good as you used to be... (; |
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