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Post by utahyank on Jul 18, 2019 19:49:52 GMT -5
Sure. Sherman Lollar is probably one of baseball’s most under rated stars. Brad Ausmus was never much with the bat, but he played Forever and was strong behind the dish...I’m sure there are more... Also Gus Triandos. Not sure if Curt Blefary counts, but he had his moments. If memory serves, he started as a catcher but moved to OF. Paul Richards too, I think... |
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Post by utahyank on Jul 18, 2019 19:53:16 GMT -5
was Choo Choo Coleman part of the Yankees before the Mets draft?
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Post by pippsheadache on Jul 18, 2019 19:58:33 GMT -5
was Choo Choo Coleman part of the Yankees before the Mets draft? Yes he was. But according to baseballref, Paul Richards was originally signed by the Dodgers. He got a lot of acclaim for a guy who never won a pennant. |
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Post by utahyank on Jul 18, 2019 20:03:17 GMT -5
was Choo Choo Coleman part of the Yankees before the Mets draft? Yes he was. But according to baseballref, Paul Richards was originally signed by the Dodgers. He got a lot of acclaim for a guy who never won a pennant. OK....I thought I remembered some Yankee connection….I think the thing was, when he took it over, it was essentially the St Louis Browns, and they were so woeful for so long, that any success Baltimore had seemed surprising.... |
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Post by inger on Jul 18, 2019 20:03:30 GMT -5
Well, there was also Gus Niarhos, but that’s just one of my personal favorites...
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Post by utahyank on Jul 18, 2019 20:04:38 GMT -5
Well, there was also Gus Niarhos, but that’s just one of my personal favorites... man...a lot of them seemed to end up in Baltimore... |
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Post by inger on Jul 21, 2019 23:13:53 GMT -5
Been a bit lazy on this:
OPS LEADING CATCHERS (at catcher position only)
Mike Stanley 134 / 4 seasons
Bill Dickey 127 / 16 seasons
Yogi Berra 125 / 19 seasons
Jorge Posada 121 / 17 seasons
Thurman Munson 116 / 11 seasons
Elston Howard 108 / 13 seasons
Butch Wynegar 106 / 4 seasons
Wally Schang 105 / 5 seasons
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Post by utahyank on Jul 22, 2019 9:47:42 GMT -5
Been a bit lazy on this: OPS LEADING CATCHERS (at catcher position only) Mike Stanley 134 / 4 seasons Bill Dickey 127 / 16 seasons Yogi Berra 125 / 19 seasons Jorge Posada 121 / 17 seasons Thurman Munson 116 / 11 seasons Elston Howard 108 / 13 seasons Butch Wynegar 106 / 4 seasons Wally Schang 105 / 5 seasons I think most everyone will agree Stanley doesn't belong at that level of all-time catchers...if not, please disagree... Once that is done, it is at least mildly interesting that there is a consensus on the top 4 all-time position players, there is probably also a consensus on the top 4 all-time catchers...they seem to stand a bit apart in my mind, at least.... so: what is the final ordering of these great catchers? |
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Post by inger on Jul 22, 2019 9:58:36 GMT -5
I only included Stanley because I was so amazed at him being # 1 on OPS.
I found it quite cool that we have five catchers that were tenured at 11+ years with franchise.
We’ll need to look at the defensive stats first, Utah. I found some interesting numbers there. I might get to posting them later tonight.
Stanley, by the way, tied with Wynegar for the shortest tenure and as you’ll see his defensive stats won’t compare to the Fab Four. Or is that Fab Five? Ellie is not chopped liver...
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Post by utahyank on Jul 22, 2019 10:05:38 GMT -5
I only included Stanley because I was so amazed at him being # 1 on OPS. I found it quite cool that we have five catchers that were tenured at 11+ years with franchise. We’ll need to look at the defensive stats first, Utah. I found some interesting numbers there. I might get to posting them later tonight. Stanley, by the way, tied with Wynegar for the shortest tenure and as you’ll see his defensive stats won’t compare to the Fab Four. Or is that Fab Five? Ellie is not chopped liver... yeah....Elston Howard is not that far from Posada, imo...I feel that his career got hurt a bit by circumstances beyond his control, but I was very busy in my career then, and can not say I have any insight as to whether that is true or only a mis-perception on my part.....I know the few times I saw him, I liked his play a lot.... |
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Post by inger on Oct 28, 2019 17:37:35 GMT -5
Bumping this to remind me. Now that the season is over we can revisit this, I believe...
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Post by inger on Oct 31, 2019 13:47:03 GMT -5
Been a bit lazy on this: OPS LEADING CATCHERS (at catcher position only) Mike Stanley 134 / 4 seasons Bill Dickey 127 / 16 seasons Yogi Berra 125 / 19 seasons Jorge Posada 121 / 17 seasons Thurman Munson 116 / 11 seasons Elston Howard 108 / 13 seasons Butch Wynegar 106 / 4 seasons Wally Schang 105 / 5 seasons Just to review, this list offers the top eight in OPS+, with the number of Yankees season noted. There are eight players here. About the only excuse for showing more than five may be to see who was # 6 through 8 at the end of the exercise. More to come about offensive rankings and of course defensive performance... |
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Post by sierchio on Oct 31, 2019 15:00:14 GMT -5
Jorgie was a HOF.. you can't change my mind.. he was definitely one of the top 3 catchers in the game during the era he played... he was consistent throughout his career as well. Piazza and Pudge are the only two catchers that you can argue were better during the time period.. and you can argue Posada topped them, especially if you look at it season by season.
The 3 P's of the C's belong in the Hall... Posada, Piazza, Pudge...
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2019 17:06:51 GMT -5
Billy Martin. No one ever caught more grief....
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Post by noetsi on Oct 31, 2019 17:07:30 GMT -5
Jorgie was a HOF.. you can't change my mind.. he was definitely one of the top 3 catchers in the game during the era he played... he was consistent throughout his career as well. Piazza and Pudge are the only two catchers that you can argue were better during the time period.. and you can argue Posada topped them, especially if you look at it season by season. The 3 P's of the C's belong in the Hall... Posada, Piazza, Pudge... He just couldn't catch to save his life. |
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