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Post by bobbyjack on Oct 13, 2020 9:45:58 GMT -5
Hey all... sorry for the drive by, but this question has been lingering with me for a long time. To answer for myself the answer is no. I have found I watch less baseball now than I did 5, 10, 20 years ago. If the Yankees are eliminated from the playoffs I generally stop watching (unless the Braves are alive which besides this year is like never). Why? For me it is a mixture of getting older (wrong side of 40), allotting time (kids), and how much the game has changed (this one is probably the biggest factor). I'm probably too old school, but the HR or K aspect of the game grates me. I am aware of the game being "smarter," but it does not necessarily translate to being as entertaining. As ballpark dimension got smaller, HRs became more prevalent, but lost is small ball. Again, I am aware of the stats behind the shift, but losing those battles between pitcher/catcher and baserunner, hit and run, and "productive" outs takes some of the fun out to me. I miss stolen bases, triples, and pitching duels (between 2 starting pitchers not the entire bullpen). I know the players are better athletes than even 5 and 10 years ago, but the pace of the game kills me. Used to be able to watch a game in 2.5hrs, but if we are lucky it goes a shade over 3. And if the Yankees and Red Sux play we know it's closer to a 4 hour ordeal. Baseball in terms of ratings is far below the NFL and NBA... and the gap continues to grow so I'm obviously not the only one that tunes in less. How do you fix that aspect and balance the needs of the casual AND diehard baseball fan? Yes... "GET OFF MY LAWN!" can be a solid reply to this
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Post by kaybli on Oct 13, 2020 10:14:37 GMT -5
Hey good to see you bobbyjack! No need to apologize for the driveby! Always good to see you post.
I can't speak for others, but for me I was always a Yankee fan more than I was a baseball fan. I wouldn't really watch a baseball game if the Yankees aren't playing unless it was a playoff match up or one that affected the Yankees playoff positioning at the end of the season. Still, I keep track of other players and teams. I play video game baseball on MLB Show and could tell you most every team's lineup.
As for my fandom, its been pretty steady through the years. I casually watched baseball from 1995-2003. Then I really become interested in all the stats and sabermetrics from 2003 on. I discovered the scout.com forum in 2005 and since then my interest has remained pretty high. I probably care about the games a little less now than I did at my peak but that's only because I have more going on in my life and have more perspective as I get older. Baseball is a hobby and passion but not life and death like it was sometimes. I remember some years I would get mildly depressed every October when the Yankees got eliminated but not anymore. But I'm still enough of a baseball nerd to post on the game threads every day.
As far as changes to the game, I too am not a fan of the rise of three true outcomes and the loss of hitting the ball to all fields and such. Though I don't mourn the loss of the bunt, I miss steals and higher averages. I don't like the shift but wouldn't outlaw it either. I do want an automated strike zone. I feel the pace of the game has gotten too long and wish the games were a little shorter. Maybe a pitch clock could be instituted.
So in summary, I don't live and die with the games as much as I used to but it's more growing older and gaining a healthier perspective. I don't see myself losing interest in the Yankees any time soon though and will continue to watch just about every game! Its my favorite hobby for sure!
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Post by bobbyjack on Oct 13, 2020 10:58:10 GMT -5
Appreciate the feedback... When the Yankees lost game 5 the other night I simply turned off the Tv and went to sleep. I remember in my yute (sic) I would be literally upset for days! We are not far off in sentiment. Let me add that the type of baseball we see at the pro level is being taught in little league... launch angle, exit velocity, shifts, etc. so it is not going away. Let me end this by posting Don Mattingly's stats (my favorite player of all-time). www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mattido01.shtmlLook at his Ks per year... he never had more than 43! Gary Sanchez can top that in 2 weeks.
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Post by inger on Oct 13, 2020 11:40:22 GMT -5
I’m in the grumpy old man club, too. I was always a bit fan of the running game, and wish at least a couple teams would push their fences back and embrace that aspect.
I’m still of the belief that pitching and defense win games, but I see the Yankees eschewing defense for yet another HR bat in the line up (Yes, Gary, Luke, Gleyber. I’m talking about you).
I will certainly choose a day out in the mountains with Ruthie any time over a base ball game. A big part of that is having a different wife than I used to. 😎
But, no. I don’t have the zeal I used to have for baseball. It’s been years since I played a Strat-O-Matic game (30 years)? I never developed a taste for the game as a video game. I think I mourned the ending of the 2020 for a couple hours. I took a phone call that I might have ignored in the past that came in while the Yanks were batting in the top of the ninth.
The sport is still one of the two best ever invented (golf). Both are suffering from technology improvements that have turned most of their players into sluggers...
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 13, 2020 12:15:59 GMT -5
One thing that doesn't help with the declining TV ratings of the game is that when a young and exciting player, like Fernando Tatis, Jr. hits a grand slam it should be celebrated. Instead the opposing team whines because the kid had a audacity to swing at a 3-0 pitch when his team had a big league. Even worse, instead of defending him, Tatis's own manger joined in with the admonishment. It's pathetic how poorly MLB does in marketing their young players, they almost deserve the sliding ratings.
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Post by bobbyjack on Oct 13, 2020 16:41:29 GMT -5
Inger... I spent a weekend in WY and MT recently... would love to be out there more often. In regard to the HR bat... sadly that is how the game has "evolved" and unless they move fences back there is no going back. Baseball used to be the thinking man's game... now with calculations and automation (of sort) it has really become robotic.
CHI... baseball has missed the boat for a few decades in regard to marketing players. Mike Trout is mostly unknown outside of actual baseball fans which is a really sad statement considering he might end up being one of the 10 best ever to play the game. Other sports market their stars FAR better.
Regarding Tatis... while I am of the belief you act like you been there before, there is nothing wrong with showing emotion as long as you are not taunting the opponent (unless you are righting a wrong from earlier).
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Post by kaybli on Oct 13, 2020 18:15:42 GMT -5
Appreciate the feedback... When the Yankees lost game 5 the other night I simply turned off the Tv and went to sleep. I remember in my yute (sic) I would be literally upset for days! We are not far off in sentiment. Let me add that the type of baseball we see at the pro level is being taught in little league... launch angle, exit velocity, shifts, etc. so it is not going away. Let me end this by posting Don Mattingly's stats (my favorite player of all-time). www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mattido01.shtmlLook at his Ks per year... he never had more than 43! Gary Sanchez can top that in 2 weeks. LOL at Sanchez topping Mattingly's Ks in two weeks.
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Post by inger on Oct 13, 2020 19:31:41 GMT -5
Appreciate the feedback... When the Yankees lost game 5 the other night I simply turned off the Tv and went to sleep. I remember in my yute (sic) I would be literally upset for days! We are not far off in sentiment. Let me add that the type of baseball we see at the pro level is being taught in little league... launch angle, exit velocity, shifts, etc. so it is not going away. Let me end this by posting Don Mattingly's stats (my favorite player of all-time). www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mattido01.shtmlLook at his Ks per year... he never had more than 43! Gary Sanchez can top that in 2 weeks. LOL at Sanchez topping Mattingly's Ks in two weeks. Hitters like Rob Deer or Pete Incaviglia would be “normal” today...Batting averages are starting to look silly...
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Post by noetsi on Oct 13, 2020 19:53:55 GMT -5
I liked it better when, I hear, averages were higher people stole bases and so on.
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Post by inger on Oct 13, 2020 20:50:26 GMT -5
Baseball was made to be a fun but difficult game. Many of the original ball parks were built to odd configurations so they could fit in heretofore vacant areas. Some lacked fences in some of all outfields before the true professional leagues were established.
It was never meant to be played on fake grass, or under a dome. There was pitcher. He was supposed to pitch the whole game. Sometimes every game. There was a wooden bat and a poorly constructed ball. No gloves until later. Baggy un-numbered uniforms made it difficult to tell one player from another and the bat and ball combination seldom reached near to the fences unless the ball was rolling.
None of us saw that game. By the time the oldest of us saw a baseball game the game had been modified so many ways that the original games was barely recognizable. If six year olds could foresee the future we would have realized that by the time we had watched for twenty or so years there would be more modifications to come.
I believe the changes up to about the year 1980 were mostly for the better. Since then, there have been a lot of odd occurrences and modifications in the name of making the game more popular. Some have worked, some have not. It seems the mistakes on that level are increasing exponentially.
I think the game would be improved with the return of the difficulty of hitting a home run, which would then return the value of making contact. Contact creates action on the playing field. Homer is devalue basic skill acts within the game and speed. Do we need to modify the ball? Move fences back? It would be a better and less boring game. The home rim is momentary excitement, and it’s fun. Too much of a good thing however, leaves you with nothing else...
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Post by domeplease on Oct 15, 2020 14:03:41 GMT -5
Activism? Election? Pandemic challenges? New Marist poll suggests none of them are causing sports' TV ratings decline
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Post by inger on Oct 15, 2020 14:36:31 GMT -5
Activism? Election? Pandemic challenges? New Marist poll suggests none of them are causing sports' TV ratings decline Which simply serves to make me trust polls even less that I did...
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Post by sierchio on Oct 15, 2020 16:42:44 GMT -5
No, I am not as big of a baseball fan as I was... IDK why... My sport of choice has been MMA recently
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 15, 2020 21:25:35 GMT -5
My appreciation for the game has not waned over the years, in large part because I glean more from the intricacies of baseball than I did as a young boy or a young man. In short, there is more to see now, though I believe the 1970s was a better brand of baseball than what is on the field today. It is said you cannot step into the same river twice, and as we age our eyes take a different focus at 50 than at 15 or 25. For many of us, baseball has served as a marker of sorts during our lives, replete with friends and loved ones and family no longer with us. On good days, watching a Yankee game brings them back to me just for a moment. Some fans are baseball fans first and Yankee fans second, others the reverse. As a Yankee fan, there were individual players who welded those Pinstripes to my being: Thurman Munson, Donny Mattingly, and Derek Jeter were the cohesive forces for me. I thought Aaron Judge might be a potential fourth, but alas he is too often not on the field. Nevertheless, on any day when the Yankees win, most all seems right with the world and from somewhere a navy blue light pushes any darkness away collected during the day. And, I always smile unconsciously when someone posts how many days before pitchers and catchers report. I doubt that will ever leave me, as it recaptures so much and so many, then and now, without separation.
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Post by inger on Oct 15, 2020 21:38:27 GMT -5
My appreciation for the game has not waned over the years, in large part because I glean more from the intricacies of baseball than I did as a young boy or a young man. In short, there is more to see now, though I believe the 1970s was a better brand of baseball than what is on the field today. It is said you cannot step into the same river twice, and as we age our eyes take a different focus at 50 than at 15 or 25. For many of us, baseball has served as a marker of sorts during our lives, replete with friends and loved ones and family no longer with us. On good days, watching a Yankee game brings them back to me just for a moment. Some fans are baseball fans first and Yankee fans second, others the reverse. As a Yankee fan, there were individual players who welded those Pinstripes to my being: Thurman Munson, Donny Mattingly, and Derek Jeter were the cohesive forces for me. I thought Aaron Judge might be a potential fourth, but alas he is too often not on the field. Nevertheless, on any day when the Yankees win, most all seems right with the world and from somewhere a navy blue light pushes any darkness away collected during the day. And, I always smile unconsciously when someone posts how many days before pitchers and catchers report. I doubt that will ever leave me, as it recaptures so much and so many, then and now, without separation. Congratulations on being able to retain those feelings. I think I’d benefit by getting on the field again, but I’m not likely to do that. Even in an Above 65 league, these painful feet would probably put an end to my career revival pretty quickly. A return to golf would quickly drain my bank account. I guess I’ll stick to yard work...
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