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Post by inger on Oct 4, 2021 21:00:14 GMT -5
We will have to disagree. I think if pitchers were less dominant and most teams had a chance to be in the play offs not just a few (because big paying teams commonly dominate the process) baseball tv numbers would be much higher. I think Americans prefer a .287 rather than a .250 batting average.  The refusal to change rules, as the NFL did, reduces interest in baseball I think. At least just about every post you write when you are expressing your opinion demonstrates your lack of confidence in your statement with your usage of “passive voice”… It should. The ideas are pretty out there, Bub… |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 4, 2021 21:32:55 GMT -5
I don't have a super high opinion of myself and think arrogance is wrong. And I am just guessing in these areas.
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Post by inger on Oct 4, 2021 22:21:43 GMT -5
I don't have a super high opinion of myself and think arrogance is wrong. And I am just guessing in these areas. Aren’t we all? I don’t think any of us is highly sought after in baseball circles. When was your last interview to run a baseball team? Mine was in 1969, when I signed up to manage a little league baseball team. There were skeptics that didn’t want to let me do it because I was only 15 years old at the time. I’m review, I did an okay job. I wasn’t the best, nor worst manager in that league. Somehow it never led to MLB employment. If the LeBrun family and the Palmer family hadn’t decided to take their (combined on the team) five children on a two week family vacation on the same two weeks, I think it would have been a better experience… Darned parents had their priorities screwed up… 😂 The LeBruns must have bred like rabbits to have 3 kids in that age 9-12 group… Mr. LeBrun might remind someone of a taller version of Rick Moranis, and the Mrs. a bit like the lady truck driver in “Pee Wee’s Big Adventure”, only before her eyes popped out of her head. Made for each other… |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 4, 2021 22:27:55 GMT -5
I was always amused by the comment, 'that 's your opinion'. Yeah who's opinion did you think it was?  I do statistics sort of for a living. Because of that I am skeptical of the way sabermetrics works. That said there are lots of opinions in baseball which have no facts behind them at all. Like, well mine. I last played baseball long ago. Wisely no one then offered me a deal let alone a contract to be manager. I am not so sure managers are that important in the modern game other than as managers of pitchers. |
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Post by inger on Oct 4, 2021 23:11:39 GMT -5
I was always amused by the comment, 'that 's your opinion'. Yeah who's opinion did you think it was? I do statistics sort of for a living. Because of that I am skeptical of the way sabermetrics works. That said there are lots of opinions in baseball which have no facts behind them at all. Like, well mine. I last played baseball long ago. Wisely no one then offered me a deal let alone a contract to be manager. I am not so sure managers are that important in the modern game other than as managers of pitchers. You just told me something I’ve tried to drag out of you a hundred times. You said you DID play baseball. To me, that’s a significant piece of information. Can you share more of that? At what level? Position(s)? What did you do well, or poorly in the sport? How old were you? I would be most appreciative of the share! … |
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Post by inger on Oct 4, 2021 23:14:11 GMT -5
I was always amused by the comment, 'that 's your opinion'. Yeah who's opinion did you think it was? I do statistics sort of for a living. Because of that I am skeptical of the way sabermetrics works. That said there are lots of opinions in baseball which have no facts behind them at all. Like, well mine. I last played baseball long ago. Wisely no one then offered me a deal let alone a contract to be manager. I am not so sure managers are that important in the modern game other than as managers of pitchers. You just told me something I’ve tried to drag out of you a hundred times. You said you DID play baseball. To me, that’s a significant piece of information. Can you share more of that? At what level? Position(s)? What did you do well, or poorly in the sport? How old were you? I would be most appreciative of the share! … By the way, while I support the information sabermetrics provides, I do realize that there are many weaknesses within and that each statistic must be utilized in conjunction with multiple other statistics to allow a slightly better than vague picture of overall performance… |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 4, 2021 23:16:10 GMT -5
Only in little league and then briefly. That is not playing baseball to me. I don't remember the position well. I was a catcher for a brief while, I think we played softball not baseball then. At no point in my life was I athletic. It is why I moved into research. |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 4, 2021 23:22:44 GMT -5
You just told me something I’ve tried to drag out of you a hundred times. You said you DID play baseball. To me, that’s a significant piece of information. Can you share more of that? At what level? Position(s)? What did you do well, or poorly in the sport? How old were you? I would be most appreciative of the share! … By the way, while I support the information sabermetrics provides, I do realize that there are many weaknesses within and that each statistic must be utilized in conjunction with multiple other statistics to allow a slightly better than vague picture of overall performance… I have a lot of problem with sabermetrics starting with its not statistics as I define that concept. Statistics a method of analysis utilizing algorithms, calculus, matrix algebra and theoretical assumptions. If sabermetrics does any of that I have never seen it. It seems to largely based on personal assumptions that have not been validated which good statistics is. Further real statistics rests on known probabilities. Have you ever seen a distribution defined or tested in baseball? At the very least one would test statistics in a monte carlo simulation. That is what happens in real statistics, do such tests exist in baseball? Most importantly good statistics is at heart a multivariate analysis, controlling for a set of variables to tease out the unique impact of variables. I have never seen that raised in baseball "statistics." But then again I have seen few detailed discussion of the use or creation of sabermetrics so that could all be wrong. |
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Post by inger on Oct 5, 2021 0:19:56 GMT -5
By the way, while I support the information sabermetrics provides, I do realize that there are many weaknesses within and that each statistic must be utilized in conjunction with multiple other statistics to allow a slightly better than vague picture of overall performance… I have a lot of problem with sabermetrics starting with its not statistics as I define that concept. Statistics a method of analysis utilizing algorithms, calculus, matrix algebra and theoretical assumptions. If sabermetrics does any of that I have never seen it. It seems to largely based on personal assumptions that have not been validated which good statistics is. Further real statistics rests on known probabilities. Have you ever seen a distribution defined or tested in baseball? At the very least one would test statistics in a monte carlo simulation. That is what happens in real statistics, do such tests exist in baseball? Most importantly good statistics is at heart a multivariate analysis, controlling for a set of variables to tease out the unique impact of variables. I have never seen that raised in baseball "statistics." But then again I have seen few detailed discussion of the use or creation of sabermetrics so that could all be wrong. You have expectations of sabermetrics that go beyond the intended purpose. They are historical, not predictive. You should look into ZIPS and similar sites. They employ the use of past players at respective ages to predict what current players will do in the near future. B-R had a feature in the spring that predicted some pretty glum or pedestrian numbers for many Yankee hitters. As it is, some of those hitters have failed to reach even those levels. Some exceeded the numbers predicted for them. (Judge and Stanton, for sure. Who could have predicted Stanton’s health?). Many of the predictions seemed to be leaning on age and risk of injury, which I’m sure was based on a combination of that particular player’s tendency toward injury and what other similar players have done historically. Insist I could recall some of the actual stat line predictions, but I don’t. Once the season started to progress B-R pied the predictions off their site. Durn. Would have liked to have monitored how well they did… maybe they’d be back… |
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Post by bearman on Oct 5, 2021 8:56:31 GMT -5
I have nothing further to add to this "playoff roster" thread other than to say I really enjoy the back and forth amongst those on this board, and particularly this thread. Thanks for letting me watch.
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Post by kaybli on Oct 5, 2021 10:16:00 GMT -5
No JD Martinez, No Chris Sale.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 5, 2021 10:27:48 GMT -5
No JD Martinez, No Chris Sale.
And three catchers. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 5, 2021 10:30:07 GMT -5
No JD, no DJ. Each arguably the third most important position player on his team.
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Post by kaybli on Oct 5, 2021 10:35:33 GMT -5
No JD, no DJ. Each arguably the third most important position player on his team. I see some Red Sox fans aren't sweating losing JD as much as I thought they would. Now Dalbec can play first and Schwarber can DH and Dalbec was hitting better than JD was recently. Still, I'm glad to see Martinez out of the lineup. |
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Post by noetsi on Oct 5, 2021 10:42:19 GMT -5
As long as Pedro ain't pitching and Ortiz not hitting I am ok with it. |
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The refusal to change rules, as the NFL did, reduces interest in baseball I think.
