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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 5, 2021 12:26:47 GMT -5
Yep, all shutouts, I had to check. In fact every game featured a shutout.
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Post by inger on Oct 5, 2021 12:36:59 GMT -5
This year’s Giants utilized so many pieces. Veterans at their peak, but partially because they were seldom over-exposed. Ten players in double figures in home runs. RBI’s kind of spread out among many. Revitalized starters like Gausman, a very solid bullpen with surprise primary closer Jake McGee setting a career best with 31 saves…
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Post by noetsi on Oct 5, 2021 16:03:23 GMT -5
When you look at attendance you have to consider populations. The US had a much lower population in 1920 than now. So 50,000 coming to a game was harder then than now.
New England won a lot of super bowls because of a unique player. Generally speaking teams with limited revenue base have a better chance to win the super bowl than do small market teams in baseball. In part of course because the NFL equalized revenue which MLB has refused to do.
In the last 10 years 8 different teams have won super bowls only New England repeated because if Brady. But, while only one was a small market teams, there was only one repeat for MLB in that period as well.
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Post by Renfield on Oct 6, 2021 14:02:29 GMT -5
Some thoughts on the current so-called dominance of pitching in baseball is this: The pitching and defense have adjusted to what the hitters have been doing. The hitters have not re-adjusted.
Hitting is currently skewed towards the long ball and and using "exit velocity" and "launch angle" have become some of the major tools to achieve it. Such a hitting technique results in essentially a hard upper cut swing.
However, several years ago umpires came under a lot of pressure to call strikes at the top of the zone. They were, in fact, strikes, but were not getting called. That has changed. As a result, pitchers can now successfully go to the top of the strike zone. Consequently, pitchers will go with high heat knowing that an upper cut swing will either not catch up with it or will result in weak ground balls or pop ups. It is hard to square up a round bat with a round ball if the batter is upper cutting a high fastball. The timing must be absolutely precise. Consequently, there is an emphasis by pitchers on velocity and spin rate.
Until hitters/teams decide that low batting averages and high K-rate with increased power are not as conducive to scoring as more "normal" hitting, pitching will seem to dominate. It is up to the hitters to adjust at this point. The shift is a whole different discussion, but a well placed bunt or not so hard hit ball in the direction of the "hole" in the infield would probably put a stop to a lot of it. Baseball, in its current state, highly values walks--an outcome totally dependent on the pitcher not being able to throw strikes (or having Angel Hernandez types calling the game). They should eventually come to value "weak" base hits or bunts/drag bunts where the defense is essentially giving the hitter a base. Thus, I don't understand why they wouldn't eventually revert to taking what is being offered. As inger pointed out, if it makes the outfield grass, such a ground ball or pop up can even result in a double. If a few hitters could successfully achieve these results, those hitters would likely no longer be subject to a shift.
Just my thoughts. FWIW.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 6, 2021 15:21:48 GMT -5
Good stuff, Renfield. Pitching will always get the upper hand until active measures are taken to counter it.
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Post by noetsi on Oct 6, 2021 15:25:51 GMT -5
Some thoughts on the current so-called dominance of pitching in baseball is this: The pitching and defense have adjusted to what the hitters have been doing. The hitters have not re-adjusted. Hitting is currently skewed towards the long ball and and using "exit velocity" and "launch angle" have become some of the major tools to achieve it. Such a hitting technique results in essentially a hard upper cut swing. However, several years ago umpires came under a lot of pressure to call strikes at the top of the zone. They were, in fact, strikes, but were not getting called. That has changed. As a result, pitchers can now successfully go to the top of the strike zone. Consequently, pitchers will go with high heat knowing that an upper cut swing will either not catch up with it or will result in weak ground balls or pop ups. It is hard to square up a round bat with a round ball if the batter is upper cutting a high fastball. The timing must be absolutely precise. Consequently, there is an emphasis by pitchers on velocity and spin rate. Until hitters/teams decide that low batting averages and high K-rate with increased power are not as conducive to scoring as more "normal" hitting, pitching will seem to dominate. It is up to the hitters to adjust at this point. The shift is a whole different discussion, but a well placed bunt or not so hard hit ball in the direction of the "hole" in the infield would probably put a stop to a lot of it. Baseball, in its current state, highly values walks--an outcome totally dependent on the pitcher not being able to throw strikes (or having Angel Hernandez types calling the game). They should eventually come to value "weak" base hits or bunts/drag bunts where the defense is essentially giving the hitter a base. Thus, I don't understand why they wouldn't eventually revert to taking what is being offered. As inger pointed out, if it makes the outfield grass, such a ground ball or pop up can even result in a double. If a few hitters could successfully achieve these results, those hitters would likely no longer be subject to a shift. Just my thoughts. FWIW. this is actually part of my critique of those that think home runs are all that matter. Another similar problem is that a lot of the home run hitters hit to only one field. That and inability to bunt, is why the shift works. In the past they would have just learned to bunt and the shift would have gone away. Or they would have gotten players who can hit to all fields. Because home runs is all that matters, they do neither. So hitting will continue to decline.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 6, 2021 15:50:52 GMT -5
Some thoughts on the current so-called dominance of pitching in baseball is this: The pitching and defense have adjusted to what the hitters have been doing. The hitters have not re-adjusted. Hitting is currently skewed towards the long ball and and using "exit velocity" and "launch angle" have become some of the major tools to achieve it. Such a hitting technique results in essentially a hard upper cut swing. However, several years ago umpires came under a lot of pressure to call strikes at the top of the zone. They were, in fact, strikes, but were not getting called. That has changed. As a result, pitchers can now successfully go to the top of the strike zone. Consequently, pitchers will go with high heat knowing that an upper cut swing will either not catch up with it or will result in weak ground balls or pop ups. It is hard to square up a round bat with a round ball if the batter is upper cutting a high fastball. The timing must be absolutely precise. Consequently, there is an emphasis by pitchers on velocity and spin rate. Until hitters/teams decide that low batting averages and high K-rate with increased power are not as conducive to scoring as more "normal" hitting, pitching will seem to dominate. It is up to the hitters to adjust at this point. The shift is a whole different discussion, but a well placed bunt or not so hard hit ball in the direction of the "hole" in the infield would probably put a stop to a lot of it. Baseball, in its current state, highly values walks--an outcome totally dependent on the pitcher not being able to throw strikes (or having Angel Hernandez types calling the game). They should eventually come to value "weak" base hits or bunts/drag bunts where the defense is essentially giving the hitter a base. Thus, I don't understand why they wouldn't eventually revert to taking what is being offered. As inger pointed out, if it makes the outfield grass, such a ground ball or pop up can even result in a double. If a few hitters could successfully achieve these results, those hitters would likely no longer be subject to a shift. Just my thoughts. FWIW. The stubbornness to continue with a swing that doesn’t work is confounding. It’s the reason Mark Teixeira was maddening his last few years, continuing to pull into the shift unapologetically, remarking that he was paid to be a slugger. A fatuous contention, as he was not paid to be “only” a slugger. It is astonishing how glacially slow hitters have been to adjust. I would have thought we’d see more Munsons, Pinellas, Boggs, Carew-types diffuse into the league by now.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 6, 2021 16:06:00 GMT -5
It has to be monumental ego. Ted Williams refused to go against the shift Lou Boudreau devised against him back in the 1940s, preferring to bat .200 hitting into the shift than .350 against it. Fortunately for The Splinter, the shift wasn't commonly deployed.
I guess you have to be a major leaguer to get it.
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Post by noetsi on Oct 6, 2021 18:06:41 GMT -5
I think a lot of the hitters in the game have only hit to one side of the field their entire life. It might be ego or it might be an inability to hit there.
I find it amazing that major league hitters can't bunt. Not that they won't, but they can't.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 6, 2021 18:35:38 GMT -5
I think a lot of the hitters in the game have only hit to one side of the field their entire life. It might be ego or it might be an inability to hit there. I find it amazing that major league hitters can't bunt. Not that they won't, but they can't. They just don't work at it anymore. It used to be a standard part of training. Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays would lay one down from time to time, more with the idea of getting a hit than advancing a runner. The analytics guys determined that giving up an out was too steep a price to pay for advancing a runner. I don't know that that holds true in every single instance, but it’s been nearly universally accepted by the powers that be.
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 6, 2021 18:43:48 GMT -5
This is for the "game is dying" crowd.
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Post by pippsheadache on Oct 6, 2021 18:50:21 GMT -5
This is for the "game is dying" crowd. I read my first "the game is dying" article in Sports Illustrated around 1964. It was about two years after my first "the Hall of Fame is becoming a joke" article in SI.
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Post by chiyankee on Oct 6, 2021 19:05:39 GMT -5
lol, even Matty V can't stand working with Arod.
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Post by rizzuto on Oct 6, 2021 19:10:07 GMT -5
lol, even Matty V can't stand working with Arod. Lol 😂
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