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Post by chiyankee on Nov 13, 2021 13:14:57 GMT -5
I voted for Seager because his left handed power is a great fit for what the Yankees need, although I could be swayed by Correa. Correa's defense is special and at 27, he's still has his prime years ahead of him. Yes, he's a tool and an expensive tool, but the Yanks have had tools on their roster before. I’ve seen some rumors that the market for Seager is moving quickly, and could find a new team before the expected 12/1 work stoppage… Which would be different than previous off seasons, where it took until past the new year for the big guns to sign. |
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Post by inger on Nov 13, 2021 14:34:23 GMT -5
I’ve seen some rumors that the market for Seager is moving quickly, and could find a new team before the expected 12/1 work stoppage… Which would be different than previous off seasons, where it took until past the new year for the big guns to sign. I have a great deal of confusion with the concept of an off season work stoppage. The work is management-related work more than it is player work. The only real purpose it serves is to hamper management from preparing for the next season. At the same time, it’s at the least mildly disturbing to the paying fan, who would like to have something baseball-related to discuss, like player movement news… |
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Post by domeplease on Nov 13, 2021 14:46:03 GMT -5
INTERESTING READ:
MLB free agency: Carlos Correa isn’t worth a huge contract
by Steve DiMatteo
November 12, 2021
Carlos Correa is no doubt one of the best shortstops in baseball, and he is certainly going to command a huge contract as he enters free agency this offseason.
But… should he?
It seems insane to think, given that he just wrapped up yet another excellent season with a .279/.366/.485 line with 26 home runs, 34 doubles, 92 RBIs, and a 134 wRC+. Defensively, he continues to get better and just won his first Gold Glove, thanks to an Outs Above Average (OAA) of 12 and 21 defensive runs saved, which was the best among MLB shortstops by far.
And aside from a disappointing 58-game 2020 season (which, really, we could throw out for most players), Carlos Correa has averaged 21 home runs, 25 doubles, and a 131 wRC+ for six seasons.
So what’s not to like about the former first-round pick and Rookie of the Year?
The biggest issue is Correa’s health; he simply has a hard time staying on the field. Most concerning are the back issues that he’s dealt with on and off since the 2018 season. Other injuries have been more of the freakish variety – a jammed thumb here, a fractured rib during a massage there. While it might not be entirely fair to label him “injury-prone,” the fact of the matter is that Carlos Correa has only crossed 600 plate appearances twice in his career.
If he could just stay healthy, he’s a 20-20 lock, and could very well become a 30-30 player as he enters his prime, though he’s yet to prove it, which isn’t exactly what you’re hoping for with a contract like that. The batting average is respectable and he gets on base at a solid clip. His xBA is routinely at the top of the majors if you’re into that sort of thing, and his exit velocity is regularly scorching. All good stuff, especially for a shortstop.
Most teams would kill for that kind of production (and defense) from their shortstop, but still, will it be worth the $30 million a year that he’s likely going to receive? For comparison’s sake, the New York Mets gave Francisco Lindor a 10-year, $341 million deal. Lindor and Correa have themselves a friendly rivalry, so Carlos Correa is certainly asking for a number around there, if not more. The market has been set and that’s that.
So maybe it just takes a recalibrating of the expectations that come from a contract like that. Massive, $300 million deals that pay one player at least $30 million a year are becoming the norm rather than the exception, which means we might just have to stop expecting 30 home runs, 30 doubles, and over 100 RBIs a year for that kind of money.
Even a 131 average wRC+ will have to suffice at that level. Not a terrible investment by any means, but it all depends on his new team. The Dodgers? They can afford a Carlos Correa who is good-to-sometimes-great and occasionally on the shelf. The Tigers? It might just keep them mired in mediocrity.
The Astros gave Correa a qualifying offer of one year, $18.4 million, which he will no doubt decline (he’s declined other lowball contract extensions from the team before), as he should. The Astros will get a compensatory draft pick for next year and Correa will get his big deal, and both sides will probably make out okay.
As for the team that does sign Correa… will it be worth it?
Despite his immense talent, it feels like more of a gamble than one would prefer.
For any team looking to contend sooner than later, Correa could be the missing piece. The timing could be just right, and Correa could be solid if not spectacular for the duration of his contract. But will that be enough for what his next team and its fans will expect? Probably not.
This may prove to be absurdly wrong over time, but don’t feel too bad if your favorite team doesn’t end up signing Carlos Correa to a mega-deal this offseason.
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 13, 2021 17:32:44 GMT -5
INTERESTING READ:
MLB free agency: Carlos Correa isn’t worth a huge contract
by Steve DiMatteo
November 12, 2021
Carlos Correa is no doubt one of the best shortstops in baseball, and he is certainly going to command a huge contract as he enters free agency this offseason.
But… should he?
It seems insane to think, given that he just wrapped up yet another excellent season with a .279/.366/.485 line with 26 home runs, 34 doubles, 92 RBIs, and a 134 wRC+. Defensively, he continues to get better and just won his first Gold Glove, thanks to an Outs Above Average (OAA) of 12 and 21 defensive runs saved, which was the best among MLB shortstops by far.
And aside from a disappointing 58-game 2020 season (which, really, we could throw out for most players), Carlos Correa has averaged 21 home runs, 25 doubles, and a 131 wRC+ for six seasons.
So what’s not to like about the former first-round pick and Rookie of the Year?
The biggest issue is Correa’s health; he simply has a hard time staying on the field. Most concerning are the back issues that he’s dealt with on and off since the 2018 season. Other injuries have been more of the freakish variety – a jammed thumb here, a fractured rib during a massage there. While it might not be entirely fair to label him “injury-prone,” the fact of the matter is that Carlos Correa has only crossed 600 plate appearances twice in his career.
If he could just stay healthy, he’s a 20-20 lock, and could very well become a 30-30 player as he enters his prime, though he’s yet to prove it, which isn’t exactly what you’re hoping for with a contract like that. The batting average is respectable and he gets on base at a solid clip. His xBA is routinely at the top of the majors if you’re into that sort of thing, and his exit velocity is regularly scorching. All good stuff, especially for a shortstop.
Most teams would kill for that kind of production (and defense) from their shortstop, but still, will it be worth the $30 million a year that he’s likely going to receive? For comparison’s sake, the New York Mets gave Francisco Lindor a 10-year, $341 million deal. Lindor and Correa have themselves a friendly rivalry, so Carlos Correa is certainly asking for a number around there, if not more. The market has been set and that’s that.
So maybe it just takes a recalibrating of the expectations that come from a contract like that. Massive, $300 million deals that pay one player at least $30 million a year are becoming the norm rather than the exception, which means we might just have to stop expecting 30 home runs, 30 doubles, and over 100 RBIs a year for that kind of money.
Even a 131 average wRC+ will have to suffice at that level. Not a terrible investment by any means, but it all depends on his new team. The Dodgers? They can afford a Carlos Correa who is good-to-sometimes-great and occasionally on the shelf. The Tigers? It might just keep them mired in mediocrity.
The Astros gave Correa a qualifying offer of one year, $18.4 million, which he will no doubt decline (he’s declined other lowball contract extensions from the team before), as he should. The Astros will get a compensatory draft pick for next year and Correa will get his big deal, and both sides will probably make out okay.
As for the team that does sign Correa… will it be worth it?
Despite his immense talent, it feels like more of a gamble than one would prefer.
For any team looking to contend sooner than later, Correa could be the missing piece. The timing could be just right, and Correa could be solid if not spectacular for the duration of his contract. But will that be enough for what his next team and its fans will expect? Probably not.
This may prove to be absurdly wrong over time, but don’t feel too bad if your favorite team doesn’t end up signing Carlos Correa to a mega-deal this offseason.
Why didn't you vote DoMe? Chris Taylor is on the list. |
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Post by inger on Nov 13, 2021 17:41:26 GMT -5
INTERESTING READ:
MLB free agency: Carlos Correa isn’t worth a huge contract
by Steve DiMatteo
November 12, 2021
Carlos Correa is no doubt one of the best shortstops in baseball, and he is certainly going to command a huge contract as he enters free agency this offseason.
But… should he?
It seems insane to think, given that he just wrapped up yet another excellent season with a .279/.366/.485 line with 26 home runs, 34 doubles, 92 RBIs, and a 134 wRC+. Defensively, he continues to get better and just won his first Gold Glove, thanks to an Outs Above Average (OAA) of 12 and 21 defensive runs saved, which was the best among MLB shortstops by far.
And aside from a disappointing 58-game 2020 season (which, really, we could throw out for most players), Carlos Correa has averaged 21 home runs, 25 doubles, and a 131 wRC+ for six seasons.
So what’s not to like about the former first-round pick and Rookie of the Year?
The biggest issue is Correa’s health; he simply has a hard time staying on the field. Most concerning are the back issues that he’s dealt with on and off since the 2018 season. Other injuries have been more of the freakish variety – a jammed thumb here, a fractured rib during a massage there. While it might not be entirely fair to label him “injury-prone,” the fact of the matter is that Carlos Correa has only crossed 600 plate appearances twice in his career.
If he could just stay healthy, he’s a 20-20 lock, and could very well become a 30-30 player as he enters his prime, though he’s yet to prove it, which isn’t exactly what you’re hoping for with a contract like that. The batting average is respectable and he gets on base at a solid clip. His xBA is routinely at the top of the majors if you’re into that sort of thing, and his exit velocity is regularly scorching. All good stuff, especially for a shortstop.
Most teams would kill for that kind of production (and defense) from their shortstop, but still, will it be worth the $30 million a year that he’s likely going to receive? For comparison’s sake, the New York Mets gave Francisco Lindor a 10-year, $341 million deal. Lindor and Correa have themselves a friendly rivalry, so Carlos Correa is certainly asking for a number around there, if not more. The market has been set and that’s that.
So maybe it just takes a recalibrating of the expectations that come from a contract like that. Massive, $300 million deals that pay one player at least $30 million a year are becoming the norm rather than the exception, which means we might just have to stop expecting 30 home runs, 30 doubles, and over 100 RBIs a year for that kind of money.
Even a 131 average wRC+ will have to suffice at that level. Not a terrible investment by any means, but it all depends on his new team. The Dodgers? They can afford a Carlos Correa who is good-to-sometimes-great and occasionally on the shelf. The Tigers? It might just keep them mired in mediocrity.
The Astros gave Correa a qualifying offer of one year, $18.4 million, which he will no doubt decline (he’s declined other lowball contract extensions from the team before), as he should. The Astros will get a compensatory draft pick for next year and Correa will get his big deal, and both sides will probably make out okay.
As for the team that does sign Correa… will it be worth it?
Despite his immense talent, it feels like more of a gamble than one would prefer.
For any team looking to contend sooner than later, Correa could be the missing piece. The timing could be just right, and Correa could be solid if not spectacular for the duration of his contract. But will that be enough for what his next team and its fans will expect? Probably not.
This may prove to be absurdly wrong over time, but don’t feel too bad if your favorite team doesn’t end up signing Carlos Correa to a mega-deal this offseason.
Why didn't you vote DoMe? Chris Taylor is on the list. He’d rather we promote a couple of 8th graders, the YOUTH is the FUTURE of our franchise… |
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Post by rizzuto on Nov 13, 2021 18:08:51 GMT -5
Why didn't you vote DoMe? Chris Taylor is on the list. He’d rather we promote a couple of 8th graders, the YOUTH is the FUTURE of our franchise… In all fairness, we really do not know which posts are sent by DoMe and which ones from Tequila. |
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Post by inger on Nov 13, 2021 18:38:18 GMT -5
He’d rather we promote a couple of 8th graders, the YOUTH is the FUTURE of our franchise… In all fairness, we really do not know which posts are sent by DoMe and which ones from Tequila. Neither do they😂…. It’s all a Misty, smoky haze of … Misty smoky haziness there… 🤓 |
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Post by pippsheadache on Nov 14, 2021 10:56:04 GMT -5
I was aware of and did factor in the injury issue with Correa, and it is a concern. The problem is, Seager misses a lot of games too.
They are only five months apart in age, so that's not a determining issue here. They each had their first full season in 2016. While as DoMe noted Correa has only topped 600 PAs once, Seager has only done so twice, most recently in 2017. Correa and Seager have both topped 140 games only twice; Correa did get into 148 last season.
Correa seems to be marginally less available than Seager, but neither are Ripkenesque by any stretch. Just part of our age.
Still, I'll be overjoyed to get either of them, like most Yankee fans.
Of course if you look at the old Aaron Hicks thread that was resurrected, we'll undoubtedly all look like fools in a few years.🧐
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Post by domeplease on Nov 14, 2021 12:10:46 GMT -5
In all fairness, we really do not know which posts are sent by DoMe and which ones from Tequila. Neither do they😂…. It’s all a Misty, smoky haze of … Misty smoky haziness there… 🤓 The smoked has temporary cleared, so WE voted.
Saw some 8th graders play = but not yet good enough to add to roster; however the 9th graders looking like they might be ready...
Tequila is making Sunday BKF.
"What are you making for BKF?"
" A Magical Omelet..."
" What is in a Magical omelet?"
"Magic mushrooms..."
So down the Rabbit Hole we go once again and again and again...
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Post by inger on Nov 14, 2021 13:00:50 GMT -5
Neither do they😂…. It’s all a Misty, smoky haze of … Misty smoky haziness there… 🤓 The smoked has temporary cleared, so WE voted.
Saw some 8th graders play = but not yet good enough to add to roster; however the 9th graders looking like they might be ready...
Tequila is making Sunday BKF.
"What are you making for BKF?"
" A Magical Omelet..."
" What is in a Magical omelet?"
"Magic mushrooms..."
So down the Rabbit Hole we go once again and again and again...
I see a fresh vote for Chris Taylor. Yours I presume? … |
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Post by domeplease on Nov 14, 2021 13:10:43 GMT -5
The smoked has temporary cleared, so WE voted.
Saw some 8th graders play = but not yet good enough to add to roster; however the 9th graders looking like they might be ready...
Tequila is making Sunday BKF.
"What are you making for BKF?"
" A Magical Omelet..."
" What is in a Magical omelet?"
"Magic mushrooms..."
So down the Rabbit Hole we go once again and again and again...
I see a fresh vote for Chris Taylor. Yours I presume? … Not mine but Tequila's = See OUR Post from yesterday below:
Please review Part III of our Six-Year Plan to see who we would trade, not resign this off-season.***We would not sign a FA SS = Too much $$$/to long term contracts!!! Instead we would prompt one of: Either Volpe R (2B SS 3B) OR Peraza R (SS 2B 3B) OR Oswaldo Cabrera SH*** (2B SS 3B OF). The FAs we would sign this off-season as Part of our Six-Year Plan would be: -FA--Josh Harrison 2b, 3b, SS,1B, RF, CF, LF -SB (2021 $1m) Bats R Age 34 www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harrijo05.shtml-FA--Chris Taylor SS, 3B, LF, CF, RF, 2B—(2021 $7.8m) Bats R Age 31 www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tayloch03.shtmlThe above would give a good Mgr. multiple options and a lot of flexibility, etc. etc. etc. as compared to the majority of our current players (giggles) -FA Loop www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/previewing-the-2021-22-free-agent-class-left-handed-relief.htmlLoop 2-3 Years (Max) for 2021 L Pitcher. Age 34 He’s coming off an utterly dominant showing with the Mets, though, posting a 0.95 ERA over 56 2/3 innings. Loup punched out 26.1% of opposing hitters while walking just 7.3% and racked up grounders on over half the balls in play against him while allowing just six extra-base hits all year. Loup rarely walks batters, though, and he’s always done well to keep the ball in the yard and avoid especially damaging contact. Going back two seasons, he’s also held right-handed hitters to a .205/.276/.311 line with similarly strong strikeout and walk numbers. Despite being a low-slot lefty, Loup doesn’t need to only be deployed situationally. He’d be a valuable addition to any bullpen and stands a good chance of landing a multi-year deal this winter. ***FA--Marte OF (3 OF Positions). SB 47 in 2021 (2021 $12.5m) Bats R Age 33 www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martest01.shtmlReally like him; but injuries, $$$ might be way too much, etc.
Potential Trades WE WOULD CONSIDER:Would try to trade for Matt Olson 1B Oakland. 1B, OF, (2021 $5m) Not FA until 2024 Bats L Age 27 39 HRS 111 RBI www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/olsonma02.shtmlWould TRY to trade for Contreras C/LF–-YES, we know he will be a FA in 2023. He is at $6.65 with Arb this off-season.
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Post by inger on Nov 14, 2021 15:13:53 GMT -5
I see a fresh vote for Chris Taylor. Yours I presume? … Not mine but Tequila's = See OUR Post from yesterday below:
Please review Part III of our Six-Year Plan to see who we would trade, not resign this off-season.***We would not sign a FA SS = Too much $$$/to long term contracts!!! Instead we would prompt one of: Either Volpe R (2B SS 3B) OR Peraza R (SS 2B 3B) OR Oswaldo Cabrera SH*** (2B SS 3B OF). The FAs we would sign this off-season as Part of our Six-Year Plan would be: -FA--Josh Harrison 2b, 3b, SS,1B, RF, CF, LF -SB (2021 $1m) Bats R Age 34 www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harrijo05.shtml-FA--Chris Taylor SS, 3B, LF, CF, RF, 2B—(2021 $7.8m) Bats R Age 31 www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tayloch03.shtmlThe above would give a good Mgr. multiple options and a lot of flexibility, etc. etc. etc. as compared to the majority of our current players (giggles) -FA Loop www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/previewing-the-2021-22-free-agent-class-left-handed-relief.htmlLoop 2-3 Years (Max) for 2021 L Pitcher. Age 34 He’s coming off an utterly dominant showing with the Mets, though, posting a 0.95 ERA over 56 2/3 innings. Loup punched out 26.1% of opposing hitters while walking just 7.3% and racked up grounders on over half the balls in play against him while allowing just six extra-base hits all year. Loup rarely walks batters, though, and he’s always done well to keep the ball in the yard and avoid especially damaging contact. Going back two seasons, he’s also held right-handed hitters to a .205/.276/.311 line with similarly strong strikeout and walk numbers. Despite being a low-slot lefty, Loup doesn’t need to only be deployed situationally. He’d be a valuable addition to any bullpen and stands a good chance of landing a multi-year deal this winter. ***FA--Marte OF (3 OF Positions). SB 47 in 2021 (2021 $12.5m) Bats R Age 33 www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martest01.shtmlReally like him; but injuries, $$$ might be way too much, etc.
Potential Trades WE WOULD CONSIDER:Would try to trade for Matt Olson 1B Oakland. 1B, OF, (2021 $5m) Not FA until 2024 Bats L Age 27 39 HRS 111 RBI www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/olsonma02.shtmlWould TRY to trade for Contreras C/LF–-YES, we know he will be a FA in 2023. He is at $6.65 with Arb this off-season.
A couple good ideas on this list, but most of it is poo-poo on a stick. First, the poo-poo. I wanted Josh Harrison four years ago. At age 34, it’s too late to get his best. Chris Taylor is a fine Swiss Army knife, but there is no tool in this one that makes sense to add to the existing roster. He’s a high-strikeout .250 hitter with moderate power and speed. He plays everywhere, but he adds yet another right handed bat to the order. Those young guys you want to promote all need at least a partial Year in AAA to reach the point where they’re ready. When the time is right, they won’t be poo-poo anymore. I’d like Marte if we could keep it to 3 years, but he’s going to want 7 and might settle for 5. It’s too long. Trade for the Robertson kid in Pittsburgh. He plays center and second base and is 6 years younger. The rest, Loup, Contreras, Olson all have merit and if the right deals can be made, let’s do it. But we’ll need to trade some of those young players you want to promote… |
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Post by noetsi on Nov 19, 2021 15:45:41 GMT -5
I increasingly doubt we will sign any major position player this year
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Post by inger on Nov 19, 2021 15:53:19 GMT -5
I increasingly doubt we will sign any major position player this year Quit whining up every thread with the same post, Major Winchester… |
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