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Post by inger on Mar 17, 2022 13:24:18 GMT -5
I’m very pleased to see Rizzo back. There are reasons that his signing may be underwhelming to some. Age. Falling offensive numbers are no longer within the pinnacle of the sport.
Let’s see what he offers:
Being a player who first and foremost seems to want to get on base, he has honed that skill to allow himself to be patient enough to walk if the pitcher won’t throw strikes, and to be hit by inside pitches instead of fearing them and changing his approach.
Standing close to the plate as he does he has an excellent target to pull airborn shots down the line and find the seats. Yankee Stadium may actually revive his career as a more home-run focused player, yet one with contact skills that will take the ball the other way it tgat’s the approach the pitcher takes.
Once on base he is of average foot speed at best, but he does know his limitations and runs with intelligence. He’s unlikely to run us out of an innings. Smart enough to know the opponents arm strength and accuracy, when the fielder is approaching the ball with a good or poor angle for a throw.
In the field, he plays shallow, is aggressive. Because of that his error count will sometimes be a bit higher than some premium first basemen. Yet he will prevent or make the play on bunts, and has cat-like reflexes to make plays on harder hit balls, with the ability to feed them to bases in front of him to cut down lead runners and create DPs. He’s a true professional first baseman, not someone playing first base because that’s the only place to hide him. A poor man’s Don Mattingly, and that is no insult.
He is an easy-going player who gets along with his team mates and will be a pleasure to watch.
B-R is projecting him to be a .250/.350/.440 hitter with 21 HR and 65 RBI. I see a player who has an ideal swing for Yankee Stadium that could be more in the .265/27/90 (.265/.365/.490) range if he can get into 140 games with reasonable health.
The RBI count may be restricted if he bats second, but I rather see him bat a bit lower in the order where he can chase runners home…
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Post by noetsi on Mar 17, 2022 14:57:04 GMT -5
Yeah I would say his offensive numbers as a Yankee were underwhelming to the offense nazi's like me.  He is unlikely to run at all, but that is the team norm so its hard to criticize him for not having speed. The complaints were by those who still expect the Yankees to be interested in elite players when they no longer are. It takes a while to mentally shift gears. But with the proper meds we can accept above the bottom half of the league as the new ideal.  |
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Post by inger on Mar 17, 2022 15:01:52 GMT -5
Yeah I would say his offensive numbers as a Yankee were underwhelming to the offense nazi's like me. He is unlikely to run at all, but that is the team norm so its hard to criticize him for not having speed. The complaints were by those who still expect the Yankees to be interested in elite players when they no longer are. It takes a while to mentally shift gears. But with the proper meds we can accept above the bottom half of the league as the new ideal. He swiped a half dozen bases last year in an injury marred season. He’s an opportunistic runner. If ignored, he’ll test you… |
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Post by noetsi on Mar 17, 2022 15:46:35 GMT -5
Yeah I would say his offensive numbers as a Yankee were underwhelming to the offense nazi's like me.  He is unlikely to run at all, but that is the team norm so its hard to criticize him for not having speed. The complaints were by those who still expect the Yankees to be interested in elite players when they no longer are. It takes a while to mentally shift gears. But with the proper meds we can accept above the bottom half of the league as the new ideal.  He swiped a half dozen bases last year in an injury marred season. He’s an opportunistic runner. If ignored, he’ll test you… He has to get on base to steal. It is nice he stole six times last year. And declaring that a Yankee had an injury marred season is redundant. You only have to note when they don't have one. Otherwise anyone who pays attention will know they missed much of the season, they all do. |
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 18, 2022 15:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 18, 2022 17:43:40 GMT -5
Lowest strikeout percentage last season (2021) among all 1B/DHs:
1. Yuri Gurriel
2. Anthony Rizzo
3. Freddie Freeman
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Post by noetsi on Mar 19, 2022 9:57:55 GMT -5
Does it matter, me being orthodox for once, if you don't strike out, but also don't get a hit?
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Post by inger on Mar 19, 2022 11:45:30 GMT -5
Does it matter, me being orthodox for once, if you don't strike out, but also don't get a hit? Yes. Making contact can lead to reaching on an error, moving runners along. Even the unfortunate DP. But it doesn’t lead to simply dragging your bat back to the dugout, though most MLB players ego won’t allow them to refrain from throwing it and letting their “people” pick it up. One day we might take the time to explain hard contact vs. soft contact to you. I don’t know. It seems a lot for you to process… Maybe even what the ROE stat line is… |
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Post by inger on Mar 19, 2022 12:30:47 GMT -5
Speaking of ROE, read this if you would like to see evidence that some players have tendencies that lead to additional times reached on errors. It will make you go cross-eyed.
The bottom line? Speedy players that hit a high percentage of ground balls tend to reach on errors the most. And hustling with that speed plays a role. Like all other stats, there are anomalies.
Fat, slow players with high fly ball and or K rates hit into fewer errors.
Should ROE be reflected in OBP? I think they should. Just as we record something when a player reaches on catcher interference, and HBP, etc.. This might create an awkward stat line, because I do think those hitters should be charged with an AB, and certainly not rewarded in BA. Just a floating stat, ROE. It’s not overly common, but neither are HBP, CI, etc..
Not a bitch or a rant. Just my opinion…
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Post by rizzuto on Mar 19, 2022 15:30:21 GMT -5
Speaking of ROE, read this if you would like to see evidence that some players have tendencies that lead to additional times reached on errors. It will make you go cross-eyed. The bottom line? Speedy players that hit a high percentage of ground balls tend to reach on errors the most. And hustling with that speed plays a role. Like all other stats, there are anomalies. Fat, slow players with high fly ball and or K rates hit into fewer errors. Should ROE be reflected in OBP? I think they should. Just as we record something when a player reaches on catcher interference, and HBP, etc.. This might create an awkward stat line, because I do think those hitters should be charged with an AB, and certainly not rewarded in BA. Just a floating stat, ROE. It’s not overly common, but neither are HBP, CI, etc.. Not a bitch or a rant. Just my opinion… It was one of my pet peeves when Jeter was playing. I saw him robbed so often on hits in his own ballpark - the Yankees had the worst home-cooking in the league when it came to official scoring. If the home scorer could saddle Jeter with a defensive error, it was a done deal. And, if the official home scorer could in anyway take away a hit for Jeter, it was likewise a fait accompli. It made little sense to me that a player like Jeter who hustled down the line each and every at bat could lace a rocket off the second baseman's glove and beat out the throw, yet see both his batting average and OBP fall on the play. Meanwhile, Robinson Cano could hit a rocket off the second baseman's glove but be thrown out jogging to first. Cano then barely picks up his heels back to the dugout; meanwhile, Jeter advances to second and then scores on a single with two outs. Yet, both players are penalized offensively in BA and OBP, but the defender was not charged an error on Cano's ball because he had extra time to make the play when Cano quit running to first. |
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Post by inger on Mar 19, 2022 15:42:24 GMT -5
Speaking of ROE, read this if you would like to see evidence that some players have tendencies that lead to additional times reached on errors. It will make you go cross-eyed. The bottom line? Speedy players that hit a high percentage of ground balls tend to reach on errors the most. And hustling with that speed plays a role. Like all other stats, there are anomalies. Fat, slow players with high fly ball and or K rates hit into fewer errors. Should ROE be reflected in OBP? I think they should. Just as we record something when a player reaches on catcher interference, and HBP, etc.. This might create an awkward stat line, because I do think those hitters should be charged with an AB, and certainly not rewarded in BA. Just a floating stat, ROE. It’s not overly common, but neither are HBP, CI, etc.. Not a bitch or a rant. Just my opinion… It was one of my pet peeves when Jeter was playing. I saw him robbed so often on hits in his own ballpark - the Yankees had the worst home-cooking in the league when it came to official scoring. If the home scorer could saddle Jeter with a defensive error, it was a done deal. And, if the official home scorer could in anyway take away a hit for Jeter, it was likewise a fait accompli. It made little sense to me that a player like Jeter who hustled down the line each and every at bat could lace a rocket off the second baseman's glove and beat out the throw, yet see both his batting average and OBP fall on the play. Meanwhile, Robinson Cano could hit a rocket off the second baseman's glove but be thrown out jogging to first. Cano then barely picks up his heels back to the dugout; meanwhile, Jeter advances to second and then scores on a single with two outs. Yet, both players are penalized offensively in BA and OBP, but the defender was not charged an error on Cano's ball because he had extra time to make the play when Cano quit running to first. The charts in that article were from I think 1960 to present due to unavailability of records before that time period. Despite what you saw with Jeter (and I’m not disputing it), he was still near the top of the charts iN ROE, I believe. Just another testament to the man and the type of player he was. Two anomalies that took me aback we’re Bob Horner as an accumulator of ROE, and Andy Van Slyke near the bottom performers with his speed. Nonetheless the overall theories on player types and flyball/ground ball tendencies do hold true for the most part… |
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Post by inger on Mar 19, 2022 15:50:42 GMT -5
Speaking of ROE, read this if you would like to see evidence that some players have tendencies that lead to additional times reached on errors. It will make you go cross-eyed. The bottom line? Speedy players that hit a high percentage of ground balls tend to reach on errors the most. And hustling with that speed plays a role. Like all other stats, there are anomalies. Fat, slow players with high fly ball and or K rates hit into fewer errors. Should ROE be reflected in OBP? I think they should. Just as we record something when a player reaches on catcher interference, and HBP, etc.. This might create an awkward stat line, because I do think those hitters should be charged with an AB, and certainly not rewarded in BA. Just a floating stat, ROE. It’s not overly common, but neither are HBP, CI, etc.. Not a bitch or a rant. Just my opinion… It was one of my pet peeves when Jeter was playing. I saw him robbed so often on hits in his own ballpark - the Yankees had the worst home-cooking in the league when it came to official scoring. If the home scorer could saddle Jeter with a defensive error, it was a done deal. And, if the official home scorer could in anyway take away a hit for Jeter, it was likewise a fait accompli. It made little sense to me that a player like Jeter who hustled down the line each and every at bat could lace a rocket off the second baseman's glove and beat out the throw, yet see both his batting average and OBP fall on the play. Meanwhile, Robinson Cano could hit a rocket off the second baseman's glove but be thrown out jogging to first. Cano then barely picks up his heels back to the dugout; meanwhile, Jeter advances to second and then scores on a single with two outs. Yet, both players are penalized offensively in BA and OBP, but the defender was not charged an error on Cano's ball because he had extra time to make the play when Cano quit running to first. Thanks for your attention on this subject Rizz. It’s not the first time I’ve ever posted without including the link to an article I was referring directly too… but I did it again. Here’s the Retrosheet article: www.retrosheet.org/Research/RuaneT/error_art.htm |
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Post by noetsi on Mar 19, 2022 17:43:57 GMT -5
Does it matter, me being orthodox for once, if you don't strike out, but also don't get a hit? Yes. Making contact can lead to reaching on an error, moving runners along. Even the unfortunate DP. But it doesn’t lead to simply dragging your bat back to the dugout, though most MLB players ego won’t allow them to refrain from throwing it and letting their “people” pick it up. One day we might take the time to explain hard contact vs. soft contact to you. I don’t know. It seems a lot for you to process… Maybe even what the ROE stat line is… This would assume I cared. You either get on base or not. |
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Post by noetsi on Mar 19, 2022 17:45:20 GMT -5
Try to imagine the NFL allowing each team to do the official decisions rather than the league. Its wacky, as of course is having different playing fields and different home park rules.
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Post by inger on Mar 19, 2022 18:05:38 GMT -5
Yes. Making contact can lead to reaching on an error, moving runners along. Even the unfortunate DP. But it doesn’t lead to simply dragging your bat back to the dugout, though most MLB players ego won’t allow them to refrain from throwing it and letting their “people” pick it up. One day we might take the time to explain hard contact vs. soft contact to you. I don’t know. It seems a lot for you to process… Maybe even what the ROE stat line is… This would assume I cared. You either get on base or not. Which your target, Rizzo does better than the average player. That involves a combo of hits, Bb, CI, HBP, ROE. You continually ignore that because it’s convenient for you. One .250 hitter is not equal to another .250 hitter. That’s true even if you ignore power hitting, which you tend to do… You have been right to continue working for the state. Your trepidation about being fired in free enterprise was very real. In free enterprise, there tends to be some sort of understanding of what you’re doing, both by the person providing the numbers and the person at the top analyzing them. I would speculate that the upper crust at your job are very little invested in what you do, as long as you don’t draw any negative attention to them… |
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