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Post by 1955nyyfan on Nov 24, 2024 14:02:58 GMT -5
When the Yankees acquired Grisham I thought at the time it was part of the price of getting Soto. I thought he would be moved or released before the season started. He had been a starter for the Padres and there was a time I thought he was just having a difficult time acclimating to a bench role but then I looked at his sats a little bit closer and the fact is he's just never been a good hitter. Was surprised to see he is only 27, I thought he was older. Cash loves veterans and it seems like there are times he is willing to go the extra mile with a veteran who is or has become a below league average performer rather than give an unproven player an opportunity.
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Post by inger on Nov 24, 2024 14:05:11 GMT -5
While Ellis speed may play up in the OF, there have been fast players that were a train wreck out there, like Lonnie Smith and Lou Brock… The poster that I replied to said Ellis is a good fielder. I don't know what kind of fielder Ellis is. I don’t think any of us know much about Ellis at this point. I think he’s probably a decent fielder. I don’t think he’s gold glove caliber. His bat seems weak to me…weaker than Grisham’s bat… |
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Post by stu on Nov 24, 2024 14:53:53 GMT -5
While Ellis speed may play up in the OF, there have been fast players that were a train wreck out there, like Lonnie Smith and Lou Brock… The poster that I replied to said this about Ellis... " He's very good defensively and an elite base stealer."
I don't know what kind of fielder Ellis is. Quoting them: "Before he even played a game, he was ranked the organization’s best defensive outfielder thanks to his stellar, highlight-reel plays while in college." |
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Post by stu on Nov 24, 2024 15:00:10 GMT -5
Lots of guys were non-tendered who make less than 5 million, so teams do think it's more than enough to be cut over. Mayza and Berti were both going to make less. I don't know what kind of shape Berti is in injury-wise but he's a better player than Grisham when healthy. I'd rather let The Duke run free and save the money. And at 5 million, I doubt Grisham has any real trade value. At worst, Grisham has more trade value than if the Yankees lost him for nothing. At best, they have a gold glove backup OFer at a price that isn't going to break their budget.
I don't care about other players who make less than 5 million or what other teams think. Yes, when he's not hurt Berti is a better player., but his time on the IR counts too. Besides, the Yankees have plenty of backup infielders. In my opinion, Mayza is the 13th man on a good 13th man pitching staff.
Berti isn't a gold glove OFer, he's not even an OFer at all. Berti is older than Grisham, he's been getting hurt, and he made over 5 million last season going into arbitration this off season. Worst case, they've wasted a roster space on him and 5 million, and could have gone with a cheaper alternative. He could end up having 0 trade value if his bat falls off any more than it has over the past few years. Berti was paid 3.65 million last year and he can make contact with the baseball pretty often (and also steal bases like Duke). He's played every OF position in his career, has logged close to 100 games in the OF. Although that really wasn't my point, it was that he's a cheaper (and more versatile) player than Grish and was still non-tendered. Teams care about every dollar. |
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Post by Max on Nov 24, 2024 15:39:49 GMT -5
At worst, Grisham has more trade value than if the Yankees lost him for nothing. At best, they have a gold glove backup OFer at a price that isn't going to break their budget.
I don't care about other players who make less than 5 million or what other teams think. Yes, when he's not hurt Berti is a better player., but his time on the IR counts too. Besides, the Yankees have plenty of backup infielders. In my opinion, Mayza is the 13th man on a good 13th man pitching staff.
Berti isn't a gold glove OFer, he's not even an OFer at all. Berti is older than Grisham, he's been getting hurt, and he made over 5 million last season going into arbitration this off season. Worst case, they've wasted a roster space on him and 5 million, and could have gone with a cheaper alternative. He could end up having 0 trade value if his bat falls off any more than it has over the past few years. Berti was paid 3.65 million last year and he can make contact with the baseball pretty often (and also steal bases like Duke). He's played every OF position in his career, has logged close to 100 games in the OF. Although that really wasn't my point, it was that he's a cheaper (and more versatile) player than Grish and was still non-tendered. Teams care about every dollar. Well, I don't know what else to tell you. Other than what I already said about the Yankees always have the option of going with Ellis. Until if and when that happens, the Yankees have a gold glove OFer. Berti is older than Grisham and his salary after arbitration isn't going to that much less than Grisham's to make any significant difference. I'm not going to comment about what other teams might or might not care about. But as far as the Yankees, while I can't read their minds it doesn't look to me as if the Yankees care about paying Grisham 5 million. If they did care I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have offered Grisham that contract in the first place. To each their own, but I don't consider the Yankees having a gold glove 4th OFer with speed a waste of a roster space. |
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Post by Max on Nov 24, 2024 15:42:56 GMT -5
When the Yankees acquired Grisham I thought at the time it was part of the price of getting Soto. I thought he would be moved or released before the season started. He had been a starter for the Padres and there was a time I thought he was just having a difficult time acclimating to a bench role but then I looked at his sats a little bit closer and the fact is he's just never been a good hitter. Was surprised to see he is only 27, I thought he was older. Cash loves veterans and it seems like there are times he is willing to go the extra mile with a veteran who is or has become a below league average performer rather than give an unproven player an opportunity. MLB ready team OF depth could be another reason why the Yankees decided to keep Grisham. |
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Post by chiyankee on Nov 24, 2024 16:55:34 GMT -5
The last time Grisham hit over .200 was in 2021 and he's a lifetime .213 hitter. I can't see any team trading for this guy or even wanting to, especially since Cashman just handed him 5 million. You can find a minor leaguer that can do what Grisham does for the league minimum.
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