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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 8, 2022 20:21:46 GMT -5
It's going to be a bad contract no matter who signs him. That's almost a given. But I think the Yanks will be seriously challenged to replace him if only from a PR standpoint. If Steve Cohen is willing to pay Max Scherzer $43.3 million per year to pitch through his age 41 season (admittedly for only three years), I think he wouldn't blink at paying Judge close to what he wants and just hope to get four or five good years, because that's probably the best anybody will get. Baseball contracts are so far removed from most of reality that we have to appraise them within their own alternate universe. I would have thought long ago that deals like this would be unsustainable, but clearly they aren't. I wonder if the strike and the acrimony between owners and MLBPA influenced Judge and his agent's asking price? There certainly seems to be acrimony here. Cashman, as we saw with the last Jeter contract, is not above trying to embarrass a player in public no matter what the history with the team is. Judge is set for several lifetimes no matter what happens, but it just seems as if it never had to get to this point. Kind of like World War I. If I understood today's broadcast correctly, both Devers and Bogaerts are in similar positions with Boston. Baseball was so much simpler in the days of the reserve clause. At least for the owners and fans. For the players, not so much. |
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 8, 2022 20:29:33 GMT -5
I wonder if the strike and the acrimony between owners and MLBPA influenced Judge and his agent's asking price? There certainly seems to be acrimony here. Cashman, as we saw with the last Jeter contract, is not above trying to embarrass a player in public no matter what the history with the team is. Judge is set for several lifetimes no matter what happens, but it just seems as if it never had to get to this point. Kind of like World War I. If I understood today's broadcast correctly, both Devers and Bogaerts are in similar positions with Boston. Baseball was so much simpler in the days of the reserve clause. At least for the owners and fans. For the players, not so much. Arbitration has really driven up salaries. I understand the concept but the application is muddleheaded. How could Gary Sandwich warrant an increase in salary every year, irrespective of his performance? |
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Post by domeplease on Apr 10, 2022 12:44:14 GMT -5
New York Yankees superstar Aaron Judge wants to get paid like Mike Trout and the team isn't ready to go there.
The Aaron Judge contract situation drags on. The New York Yankees had until Opening Day to lock up their star outfielder before Judge was willing to begin the season without a new deal for 2022. The two sides couldn't come to terms and will try to figure things out later on, if at all.
Judge is the face of the Yankees franchise and easily one of the most recognizable players in Major League Baseball.
In fact, he has been far more marketable than superstar outfielder Mike Trout who has been incredibly understated in his career compared to what he can do on the field.
There has been a lot thrown out about what the Yankees offered and what Judge was looking to get. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic offered some numbers he had heard, making it look like Judge was hoping to get Trout money and his employer wasn't willing to go there.
Aaron Judge wants Mike Trout money and the Yankees won't give him it
Judge is an intriguing free agent for a couple of reasons. As a member of the Yankees, he's already high-profile. He can also do some special things few others can. He hits for power, plays the outfield well, and has all of the tools needed for an MVP candidate. If not for the 2017 Houston Astros, he would have had one already.
Two issues seem to be weighing heavily on the Yankees when it comes to negotiating.
One is his age. Judge turns 30 at the end of April.
The other is his history of injury. Judge comes into the 2022 season with only two seasons of playing 500+ plate appearances. He missed significant time in 2018 and 2019. In the shortened 2020 campaign, he played in only 28 of the team's 60 scheduled games.
Last year's production put him back in position to receive a monster contract. Judge batted .287/.373/.544 with 39 home runs and another 98 RBI. As great as it was, the team's one-and-done appearance in the playoffs continues to weigh heavily.
Add in his underwhelming playoff performance in 2020 and even the loyalist of Yankees fans may have their own doubts about a long deal with Judge.
Per Rosenthal, the Yankees gave Judge an offer that would have had an average annual value of around $30.5 million.
Judge, however, was looking for something closer to what Trout is getting from the Los Angeles Angels. He was hoping to get a deal with an AAV nearer to $36 million. The offer given to him would have still made him the second-highest-paid outfielder in the game in terms of AAV. Only Trout would be earning more.
According to multiple sources of Rosenthal's, Judge "did not ask for an extension of more than eight years, or a total package – including this year, his final one in arbitration – of more than nine."
The two sides, while not close, also aren't as far apart as it may have originally seemed.
The concerns the Yankees have with giving him Trout money are the same other teams will have in free agency. After seeing Carlos Correa settle on a short-term contract full of opt-outs with the Minnesota Twins, Judge may indeed have a tough time ever matching his asking price.
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 10, 2022 13:02:30 GMT -5
Anyone else getting tired of hearing about the Judge contract status? The Yankees made a fair offer and Judge decided to go to free agency, which is his right. But enough already.
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 10, 2022 13:18:21 GMT -5
First, I have no ill will toward Aaron Judge. He carries himself like a Yankee should, irrespective of Cashman's antics, which Pipps mentioned is reminiscent of the last Derek Jeter negotiation. When Cashman introduced Jeter with a "Welcome back, " Jeter turned to Cashman and stated plainly, "I never left."
Second, if Judge would like a Mike Trout-like contract, he's going to have to put up numbers that bring to mind the MLB Hall of Fame, which is where Mike Trout is headed. Judge has two seasons under his belt in which he has played more than 69% of the games on the schedule (155 in 2017 and 148 in 2021), and he turns 30 years old this month on April 26.
And, Judge's best season numbers are still his rookie year in 2017, in which his OPS was 1.049. Trout's average OPS after 12 seasons is 1.001, and in 9 of those 12 seasons, Trout played over 70% of the games on the schedule.
In only two seasons has Trout had an OPS lower than .939: his rookie season at age 19 of .672 over 40 games and last season at .773, in which he played 3 games due to injury. Judge has had one season with an OPS higher than .939, his rookie season in 2017.
Also, Trout has manned centerfield exclusively, a more demanding defensive position than right field, which Judge plays nearly exclusively. By the way, Mike Trout turns 31 years old this August 7. Trout is only one year and four months older than Judge. Trout may be soon headed to right field, while Judge at 282 pounds will be headed to DH or 1B.
If I were Judge, I would have countered the Yankee offer with incentives for staying on the field, which could potentially push his salary into the Mike Trout range. I would wager the Yankees would have accepted that as reasonable.
To compare the two is just not fair to Judge or Trout. Judge is a cartoon character due to his size and aw-shucks personality and the stage that is New York City. Trout is under the radar because he plays for a mediocre team in Anaheim, California, and he brings absolutely no attention to himself other than by his play on the field. Trout should be the Michael Jordan of MLB, but he is not remotely interested in "his brand'" or promoting himself.
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Post by noetsi on Apr 10, 2022 23:04:20 GMT -5
I don't think Judge is going to get Trout like contracts on any team. I doubt in the end he will go elsewhere because the market is simply not as good for free agents as it was. I don't think the Dodgers will spend like they did recently forever although I guess the Mets might be tempted.
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Post by inger on Apr 10, 2022 23:12:47 GMT -5
I don't think Judge is going to get Trout like contracts on any team. I doubt in the end he will go elsewhere because the market is simply not as good for free agents as it was. I don't think the Dodgers will spend like they did recently forever although I guess the Mets might be tempted. The Judge saga will be decided by his health and production this season. It’s a tipping point to indicate whether his future will have a likely run of better health. I’m personally of the opinion that big money could be spent elsewhere. His age and his size along with his history to this point don’t suggest playing well into his late thirties to be likely… Despite what I think, teams will make their own analysis if he hits the FA market… |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 11, 2022 17:49:29 GMT -5
I think the number of teams willing to offer fortunes for free agency to players not already on their team is pretty small now. I doubt one season will be decisive in the decision. In anything Judge is gambling his skills don't decline or he won't get hurt again.
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Post by domeplease on Apr 11, 2022 17:50:30 GMT -5
The Yankees Can’t Replace Aaron Judge. That’s Why He’s Going to Free Agency
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Post by noetsi on Apr 11, 2022 18:12:06 GMT -5
I have to assume he was in the minor leagues then. I don't think the yankees ever pay that low for a major leaguer.
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 11, 2022 18:18:43 GMT -5
I think the number of teams willing to offer fortunes for free agency to players not already on their team is pretty small now. I doubt one season will be decisive in the decision. In anything Judge is gambling his skills don't decline or he won't get hurt again. Did you catch all the free agent signings this past off season? The money is flowing in baseball like never before, despite all the revenue lost during the pandemic. These owners are making all kinds of revenue and some of them aren't afraid to spend it. |
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Post by inger on Apr 11, 2022 20:19:03 GMT -5
I think the number of teams willing to offer fortunes for free agency to players not already on their team is pretty small now. I doubt one season will be decisive in the decision. In anything Judge is gambling his skills don't decline or he won't get hurt again. Did you catch all the free agent signings this past off season? The money is flowing in baseball like never before, despite all the revenue lost during the pandemic. These owners are making all kinds of revenue and some of them aren't afraid to spend it. Why bother observing what’s really happening when it’s easier just to form an opinion based on just what you “think”? It’s only completely against the theme of analyzing numbers, which he does for a living. Judge also has the advantage of being a side show and the guy another team “took” from the Yankees… |
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Post by acuraman on Aug 26, 2022 22:12:16 GMT -5
During Thursday's "A's Pregame Live," NBC Sports California analyst Dave Stewart was asked to put on his general manager hat and how much he would be willing to pay Judge on the open market. "I hope [Yankees general manager] Brian [Cashman] is listening to me," Stewart said. "If I'm the Yankees, I don't let this player leave New York ... So contract-wise, I offer him an average value of 45. I go to $45 million per season." "Because he's 30, I only want to give him six, which is the reason why I had such a high average value because I raised the average value so that I can get him for less years," Stewart added. "I think six years, we're going to get the best of Aaron Judge, I think once we start getting it at 7th and 8th year, which means he's 37, 38, I think there's going to be some decline, and I don't want to be caught on the hook for that." sports.yahoo.com/aaron-judge-contract-dave-stewart-140000536.html |
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Post by chiyankee on Aug 26, 2022 22:39:17 GMT -5
I don't think Judge is settling for six years.
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Post by inger on Aug 26, 2022 23:48:03 GMT -5
I don't think Judge is settling for six years. Nor $270 Million dollars. The Soto non-deal has set a higher bar for a premium free agent… |
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