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Post by kaybli on Apr 8, 2022 10:28:08 GMT -5
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Post by kaybli on Apr 8, 2022 10:31:19 GMT -5
This was a fine enough deal. Judge is starting to piss me off, first with his vaccine shit and now this.
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Post by desousa on Apr 8, 2022 11:31:40 GMT -5
If that is the offer than I'm not blaming Cashman. |
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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 8, 2022 11:43:19 GMT -5
Yeah, but if Cashman really wanted Judge back, giving out the team's offer isn't going to be helpful moving forward. Some team will give Judge anything he wants, even if it's a bad contract. Which like Pujols and Cano it probably will be.
Still, not my money, and I'd rather the Yankees vastly overpay Judge than see him playing for the Mets, Dodgers or Red Sox next year. This is a different cat than Cano.
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Post by domeplease on Apr 8, 2022 14:19:44 GMT -5
OK Judge is 30-years old = Meaning in 2 years or so going down the Retread Path and he turns down over $30M a year.
What Do Me & tequila would do: Stop all talks--treat him with respect--but DANGLE him in potential Trade talks. The do the same with Stanton, Hicks, Torres, etc. and FINALLY do a major rebuild in 2022.
But that is what Do Me and a Parrot thinks...
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 8, 2022 18:35:36 GMT -5
It's easy to crap on the Yankees but not this time. 30+ million a year for 7 years is a lot of money for a 30 year old corner OF. The Yankees would eventually make Judge the captain of the team and he'd take his place with Mattingly and Jeter has the face of the modern era Yanks. All of this could still happen but you never know once a guy makes it to free agency.
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 8, 2022 18:49:52 GMT -5
That's not a bad offer for a player with only two healthy years. Judge listening to Rizzo may not be the best move. The Cubs offered Rizzo a nice contract that he turned down. Instead, he has a two-year deal. If Judge has an off year or even a mediocre year, he may wish he had taken that contract. Another injury, and he may never get that kind of offer again. The best predictor of injury? Past injuries. |
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Post by domeplease on Apr 8, 2022 19:07:17 GMT -5
That's not a bad offer for a player with only two healthy years. Judge listening to Rizzo may not be the best move. The Cubs offered Rizzo a nice contract that he turned down. Instead, he has a two-year deal. If Judge has an off year or even a mediocre year, he may wish he had taken that contract. Another injury, and he may never get that kind of offer again. The best predictor of injury? Past injuries. Exactly!!! |
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Post by kaybli on Apr 8, 2022 19:11:16 GMT -5
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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 8, 2022 19:23:06 GMT -5
That's not a bad offer for a player with only two healthy years. Judge listening to Rizzo may not be the best move. The Cubs offered Rizzo a nice contract that he turned down. Instead, he has a two-year deal. If Judge has an off year or even a mediocre year, he may wish he had taken that contract. Another injury, and he may never get that kind of offer again. The best predictor of injury? Past injuries. Judge is definitely taking a risk. If injuries cause him to miss a lot of time, he may not get another offer like that. But as we have seen with Freeman and Seager and now deGrom as well, it's not unthinkable for any cornerstone of the team player to survey the market. But my guess is that even if Judge has a down year or misses a lot of time from injuries, some team -- I think the Mets most likely -- will offer him more than what the Yanks just did if only to stick it to the Yankees. From Judge's comments (one of thirty teams), it sounds like he was ticked off at Cashman for publicly revealing the Yankee offer. I don't think Aaron Judge is the kind of player who needs artificial motivation to give it his best, but if he did, he certainly has it now. |
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Post by kaybli on Apr 8, 2022 19:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by inger on Apr 8, 2022 19:34:50 GMT -5
It’s sad that a deal couldn’t be put together. The offer was generous. The ask was a bit greedy, but may be obtainable if Judge stays well and performs well. Frankly, ten years for a guy Judge’s size? Well. I wouldn’t…
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Post by pippsheadache on Apr 8, 2022 20:05:34 GMT -5
It’s sad that a deal couldn’t be put together. The offer was generous. The ask was a bit greedy, but may be obtainable if Judge stays well and performs well. Frankly, ten years for a guy Judge’s size? Well. I wouldn’t… It's going to be a bad contract no matter who signs him. That's almost a given. But I think the Yanks will be seriously challenged to replace him if only from a PR standpoint. If Steve Cohen is willing to pay Max Scherzer $43.3 million per year to pitch through his age 41 season (admittedly for only three years), I think he wouldn't blink at paying Judge close to what he wants and just hope to get four or five good years, because that's probably the best anybody will get. Baseball contracts are so far removed from most of reality that we have to appraise them within their own alternate universe. I would have thought long ago that deals like this would be unsustainable, but clearly they aren't. |
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 8, 2022 20:06:53 GMT -5
If he was 26 years old with no injury history. |
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Post by rizzuto on Apr 8, 2022 20:10:06 GMT -5
It’s sad that a deal couldn’t be put together. The offer was generous. The ask was a bit greedy, but may be obtainable if Judge stays well and performs well. Frankly, ten years for a guy Judge’s size? Well. I wouldn’t… It's going to be a bad contract no matter who signs him. That's almost a given. But I think the Yanks will be seriously challenged to replace him if only from a PR standpoint. If Steve Cohen is willing to pay Max Scherzer $43.3 million per year to pitch through his age 41 season (admittedly for only three years), I think he wouldn't blink at paying Judge close to what he wants and just hope to get four or five good years, because that's probably the best anybody will get. Baseball contracts are so far removed from most of reality that we have to appraise them within their own alternate universe. I would have thought long ago that deals like this would be unsustainable, but clearly they aren't. I wonder if the strike and the acrimony between owners and MLBPA influenced Judge and his agent's asking price? |
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