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Post by noetsi on Apr 17, 2022 16:11:47 GMT -5
I found this comment by his boss humerous. "There are major-league clubs that are more analytical than us, without naming names. Every decision that they make on the field is purely analytics, some of these teams. “He understands it’s very important to me to be well-balanced, pro scouting and analytics. We just had all of our pro scouting meetings. They were in New York. We went through every free agent like we always do this time of year. It’s very much a part of what we do. So he gets a bad rap for being too analytical. It’s not the case.” I would say his problem is not that he is too analytical, but that his analysis is poor. He has a poor sense of who is a good and bad player something that has been true for a long time. Asked if he viewed next season as a watershed campaign for Cashman, Steinbrenner said, “No. I’m not even thinking that way. We’re going to do everything we can, like we do every year, to field a championship-caliber team. I certainly thought I had one coming out of spring training. I definitely thought I had one rolling into August after the trade deadline. And yet it didn’t happen.” When you spend in the top 5 in the league and don't make, forget win, the WS in over a decade, maybe you should reconsider what your strategy is? nypost.com/2021/11/17/how-yankees-are-approaching-brian-cashmans-walk-year/it seems clear that Cashman can't build a championship team. Maybe they should try some one else. It might be no one else can either, but I think they should try. |
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Post by kaybli on Apr 17, 2022 16:18:13 GMT -5
He's got to go. I'm just worried Hal thinks of him as one of the family and untouchable.
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Post by noetsi on Apr 17, 2022 16:21:52 GMT -5
He's got to go. I'm just worried Hal thinks of him as one of the family and untouchable. It could be. It could be that Hal really does not care if they make the WS as long as they are good enough to make the play offs. He seems as risk adverse as Cashman. They resigned Boone so they probably will Cashman. This is not a franchise that gives a sense it sees any problems in its operations. In honesty, I wish we would not make the play offs. It might force the Yankees to reconsider its operations. Otherwise we will limp along as always. |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 17, 2022 16:51:49 GMT -5
What I honestly don't understand is how you can spend this much money and have this bad a team offensively. It seems impossible to do that for multiple years.
Its also baffling to me why Cashman felt he did not need to make major efforts to improve the team offensively after last year. But obviously he did not. It may be that his goal is simply to make the play offs not actually get to the WS and we do that enough to convince him his strategy works.
"'Well, I think we actually did it the right way.' Pulled it down, brought it back up. Drafted well, traded well, developed well, signed well. The only thing that derailed us was a cheating circumstance that threw us off."
Other than Judge who is he talking about offensively. That is who did they draft and develop well.....in say the last decade on the offensive side of the ball. It could be he is just talking about pitchers. We have guys who have been good for maybe 1-2 years, but not many that have made an offensive difference for longer than that.
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Post by acuraman on Apr 17, 2022 19:25:48 GMT -5
Hal needs to sell the team. Boone needs to be fired. Cash can't do his job when his hands are tied. So he has to make some bs moves and signings. NY is always going to be top 5 in salary every year because its NEW YORK CITY, it ain't cheap, cost of living, all the taxes etc. An owner with real common sense and strong baseball knowledge would look at the organization and revamp it. But Cash is not the fix.
This statement from Hal is a joke; I think he is the one who is too analytical.
“When a contract’s up, a contract’s up. If I made a decision now, I’d have less information, less data,” Steinbrenner said. “It doesn’t matter who we’re talking about. One less year of performance to analyze when I’m trying to make a decision. It’s just illogical to me. But that’s the way I am.”
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Post by kaybli on Apr 17, 2022 19:33:55 GMT -5
Hal needs to sell the team. Boone needs to be fired. Cash can't do his job when his hands are tied. So he has to make some bs moves and signings. NY is always going to be top 5 in salary every year because its NEW YORK CITY, it ain't cheap, cost of living, all the taxes etc. An owner with real common sense and strong baseball knowledge would look at the organization and revamp it. But Cash is not the fix. This statement from Hal is a joke; I think he is the one who is too analytical. “When a contract’s up, a contract’s up. If I made a decision now, I’d have less information, less data,” Steinbrenner said. “It doesn’t matter who we’re talking about. One less year of performance to analyze when I’m trying to make a decision. It’s just illogical to me. But that’s the way I am.” What a joke. Hal is a dunce. He's basically Kendall Roy from Succession if anyone has seen that. I have to repost this. They're all clowns:
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Post by acuraman on Apr 17, 2022 19:47:30 GMT -5
LOL...I hate Hal, I know he is always about the bottom line and making more money, and not reinvesting the money into his product just his pockets. Pocketing revenue money instead of investing it in improving the roster. He sees owning the Yankees as a glamorous way to diversify his portfolio. Aѕ оf Маrсh 2022, Наl Ѕtеіnbrеnnеr hаѕ аn еѕtіmаtеd nеt wоrth оf $4 bіllіоn. Не hаѕ еаrnеd hіѕ wеаlth frоm thе аttrіbutеd іnсоmе аnd іnvеѕtmеntѕ, whісh kеерѕ оn fluсtuаtіng. Іn аddіtіоn, thе vаluе mаdе frоm ѕроrtѕ іn bаѕеbаll fіеld dереndіng оn thе рорulаrіtу аnd реrfоrmаnсе оf thе tеаm thаt hаѕ еаrnеd hіm mоrе mоnеу thаn аnу оthеr fаmіlу іn thе wоrld tо whісh hаѕ соntіnuеd tо іnсrеаѕе wіth еvеrу раѕѕіng уеаr. www.wealthypersons.com/hal-steinbrenner-net-worth-2020-2021/ |
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Post by kaybli on Apr 17, 2022 19:50:45 GMT -5
LOL...I hate Hal, I know he is always about the bottom line and making more money, and not reinvesting the money into his product just his pockets. Pocketing revenue money instead of investing it in improving the roster. He sees owning the Yankees as a glamorous way to diversify his portfolio. Aѕ оf Маrсh 2022, Наl Ѕtеіnbrеnnеr hаѕ аn еѕtіmаtеd nеt wоrth оf $4 bіllіоn. Не hаѕ еаrnеd hіѕ wеаlth frоm thе аttrіbutеd іnсоmе аnd іnvеѕtmеntѕ, whісh kеерѕ оn fluсtuаtіng. Іn аddіtіоn, thе vаluе mаdе frоm ѕроrtѕ іn bаѕеbаll fіеld dереndіng оn thе рорulаrіtу аnd реrfоrmаnсе оf thе tеаm thаt hаѕ еаrnеd hіm mоrе mоnеу thаn аnу оthеr fаmіlу іn thе wоrld tо whісh hаѕ соntіnuеd tо іnсrеаѕе wіth еvеrу раѕѕіng уеаr. www.wealthypersons.com/hal-steinbrenner-net-worth-2020-2021/Even George knew what Hal was like. He wanted to give the team to Steve Swindal. |
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Post by chiyankee on Apr 17, 2022 20:15:28 GMT -5
LOL...I hate Hal, I know he is always about the bottom line and making more money, and not reinvesting the money into his product just his pockets. Pocketing revenue money instead of investing it in improving the roster. He sees owning the Yankees as a glamorous way to diversify his portfolio. Aѕ оf Маrсh 2022, Наl Ѕtеіnbrеnnеr hаѕ аn еѕtіmаtеd nеt wоrth оf $4 bіllіоn. Не hаѕ еаrnеd hіѕ wеаlth frоm thе аttrіbutеd іnсоmе аnd іnvеѕtmеntѕ, whісh kеерѕ оn fluсtuаtіng. Іn аddіtіоn, thе vаluе mаdе frоm ѕроrtѕ іn bаѕеbаll fіеld dереndіng оn thе рорulаrіtу аnd реrfоrmаnсе оf thе tеаm thаt hаѕ еаrnеd hіm mоrе mоnеу thаn аnу оthеr fаmіlу іn thе wоrld tо whісh hаѕ соntіnuеd tо іnсrеаѕе wіth еvеrу раѕѕіng уеаr. www.wealthypersons.com/hal-steinbrenner-net-worth-2020-2021/Even George knew what Hal was like. He wanted to give the team to Steve Swindal. Who knew at the time that Swindal cheating on George's daughter would came back to haunt the franchise? |
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Post by maizeyanks on Apr 17, 2022 20:33:14 GMT -5
He's got to go. I'm just worried Hal thinks of him as one of the family and untouchable. Agreed, feels like even though the Yanks are a global enterprise, they are run like a mom and pop shop. Hal loves his cronies near his side to do the dirty work for him. Randy, Cashman, and Lonn have been there forever and have turned this thing into a money-generating operation first and foremost. No better examples than demolishing old YS and losing a massive home field advantage and the lack of raising the payroll for nearly two decades now while revenues continue to soar. Sometimes it's just time for a new regime, remember Theo saying that of his time in BOS and then Chicago - after a while things become stale. I was 100% behind Cashman's reboot from 2015-17, we shedded payroll and age, and found nuggets like Didi, prospects like Gleyber, Frazier, Sheffield, German, etc., in shrewd deals, while homegrown studs emerged in Judge, Bird, Sanchez, Severino. Then we got to within one game of WS in 17 and 19, and it feels like they thought that was some sort of validation that they can hang their hats on, as opposed to using it as motivation to keep adding to the roster. They're still competitive, but something has felt off now for three seasons. |
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Post by kaybli on Apr 17, 2022 20:35:06 GMT -5
He's got to go. I'm just worried Hal thinks of him as one of the family and untouchable. Agreed, feels like even though the Yanks are a global enterprise, they are run like a mom and pop shop. Hal loves his cronies near his side to do the dirty work for him. Randy, Cashman, and Lonn have been there forever and have turned this thing into a money-generating operation first and foremost. No better examples than demolishing old YS and losing a massive home field advantage and the lack of raising the payroll for nearly two decades now while revenues continue to soar. Sometimes it's just time for a new regime, remember Theo saying that of his time in BOS and then Chicago - after a while things become stale. I was 100% behind Cashman's reboot from 2015-17, we shedded payroll and age, and found nuggets like Didi, prospects like Gleyber, Frazier, Sheffield, German, etc., in shrewd deals, while homegrown studs emerged in Judge, Bird, Sanchez, Severino. Then we got to within one game of WS in 17 and 19, and it feels like they thought that was some sort of validation that they can hang their hats on, as opposed to using it as motivation to keep adding to the roster. They're still competitive, but something has felt off now for three seasons. Well said. |
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Post by anthonyd46 on Apr 17, 2022 21:02:17 GMT -5
He's got to go. I'm just worried Hal thinks of him as one of the family and untouchable. Agreed, feels like even though the Yanks are a global enterprise, they are run like a mom and pop shop. Hal loves his cronies near his side to do the dirty work for him. Randy, Cashman, and Lonn have been there forever and have turned this thing into a money-generating operation first and foremost. No better examples than demolishing old YS and losing a massive home field advantage and the lack of raising the payroll for nearly two decades now while revenues continue to soar. Sometimes it's just time for a new regime, remember Theo saying that of his time in BOS and then Chicago - after a while things become stale. I was 100% behind Cashman's reboot from 2015-17, we shedded payroll and age, and found nuggets like Didi, prospects like Gleyber, Frazier, Sheffield, German, etc., in shrewd deals, while homegrown studs emerged in Judge, Bird, Sanchez, Severino. Then we got to within one game of WS in 17 and 19, and it feels like they thought that was some sort of validation that they can hang their hats on, as opposed to using it as motivation to keep adding to the roster. They're still competitive, but something has felt off now for three seasons. Yea exactly. They are also still hung up on the cheating and think they are owed a World Series. Like I've said before they had the same record as the Braves right before the trade deadline. The Braves made the necessary adjustments and won the World Series, but while the Yankees made a couple trades but still ignored problems like Sanchez and while it did create an improvement in the win column the lack of fixing the major issues caused them to lose home field in the wildcard game. So then this off season they decide to finally fire some people get rid of Sanchez and even though they did all that the same problems seem to exist. What this tells me is Maize is right the ownership is likely the main problem. This many player and coach changed should be showing some improvement but nothing is changing. That's a bigger problem than just Boone's weird lineups. As I said this morning Jack Curry knows the ins and outs of this team really well as he knew Rizzo was siting hours and hours before the lineup was decided. Curry obviously has a decent amount of connections to their internal talk to know how the team operates and from what he says it sounds like higher management has this like layout of the rest schedules and how they want the players to be treated. They should really stay out of that stuff. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by noetsi on Apr 18, 2022 9:59:56 GMT -5
The problem is that the yankees continue to ignore offense to stress pitching, and don't get that you can't score runs when you have a .220 batting average team regardless of how many walks you have. That home runs have become much rarer.
They also are just a lousy judge of talent and are locked into some hugely expensive deals that make change difficult. If the minors can finally produce talent that lasts in the majors more than two years than the problem may go away. My observation of the results of the Yankee minor league system makes me doubt this will in fact happen. It does not produce many above average hitters who stay on the team.
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Post by inger on Apr 18, 2022 13:12:35 GMT -5
The problem is that the yankees continue to ignore offense to stress pitching, and don't get that you can't score runs when you have a .220 batting average team regardless of how many walks you have. That home runs have become much rarer. They also are just a lousy judge of talent and are locked into some hugely expensive deals that make change difficult. If the minors can finally produce talent that lasts in the majors more than two years than the problem may go away. My observation of the results of the Yankee minor league system makes me doubt this will in fact happen. It does not produce many above average hitters who stay on the team. The Yankees minor league system, just as all others do, place several hundred players in position to drip through the MLB funnel over a several season period as players are needed. All of them produce a very small drip of MLB players over a period of time. None of this has changed, and won’t any time soon. The problem is more about fan expectation than actual performance. As for picking a batting average for teams that are capable of winning, the Yank’s .229 of today is 16th in MLB, so it’s pretty close to the mean. It’s the state of the game. I agree the team must do better to contend for the long run, but with 6% of the season behind us, the likelihood is that there will be improvement over the final 94%. Too soon to start crying… |
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Post by maizeyanks on Apr 18, 2022 19:06:00 GMT -5
Agreed, feels like even though the Yanks are a global enterprise, they are run like a mom and pop shop. Hal loves his cronies near his side to do the dirty work for him. Randy, Cashman, and Lonn have been there forever and have turned this thing into a money-generating operation first and foremost. No better examples than demolishing old YS and losing a massive home field advantage and the lack of raising the payroll for nearly two decades now while revenues continue to soar. Sometimes it's just time for a new regime, remember Theo saying that of his time in BOS and then Chicago - after a while things become stale. I was 100% behind Cashman's reboot from 2015-17, we shedded payroll and age, and found nuggets like Didi, prospects like Gleyber, Frazier, Sheffield, German, etc., in shrewd deals, while homegrown studs emerged in Judge, Bird, Sanchez, Severino. Then we got to within one game of WS in 17 and 19, and it feels like they thought that was some sort of validation that they can hang their hats on, as opposed to using it as motivation to keep adding to the roster. They're still competitive, but something has felt off now for three seasons. Yea exactly. They are also still hung up on the cheating and think they are owed a World Series. Like I've said before they had the same record as the Braves right before the trade deadline. The Braves made the necessary adjustments and won the World Series, but while the Yankees made a couple trades but still ignored problems like Sanchez and while it did create an improvement in the win column the lack of fixing the major issues caused them to lose home field in the wildcard game. So then this off season they decide to finally fire some people get rid of Sanchez and even though they did all that the same problems seem to exist. What this tells me is Maize is right the ownership is likely the main problem. This many player and coach changed should be showing some improvement but nothing is changing. That's a bigger problem than just Boone's weird lineups. As I said this morning Jack Curry knows the ins and outs of this team really well as he knew Rizzo was siting hours and hours before the lineup was decided. Curry obviously has a decent amount of connections to their internal talk to know how the team operates and from what he says it sounds like higher management has this like layout of the rest schedules and how they want the players to be treated. They should really stay out of that stuff. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I totally get the load management/rest schedules, but for fuck sake they don't need to be so religious to it. I'm as into analytics as you can get, but you just cannot be so regimented to it that it creates an unrealistic blueprint for humans and their bodies that are so fragile that it can alter the plan in an instant. If a guy is feeling good, let him go another day or two before getting the off-day, it won't affect the overall philosophy. Kay mentions it all the time now, the FO just does not believe in "hot" and will rest a guy no matter what he's been doing recently. While I appreciate the data that shows that to be true in a sense, that is just not the way it should be done when dealing with such a fickle sport. It is something that really has rubbed me wrong with new aged thinking. It's okay to deviate from a plan a tad, while still adhering to the principles. To me, Cashman has done a great job grasping new trends in baseball, whether it's scouting, analytics, or development, but the implementation of all three has been subpar. It has resulted in a mishmash of good and bad. |
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