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Post by inger on Dec 31, 2023 20:18:01 GMT -5
I think he understands his dry wit, realizing that lines sting more if they’re quick one liners. Beats the McCarver-like I, me, myself did it this way stories. Too many announcing team to me just sound like blah blah blah staccato blather and bore me to sleep… Old Utah hated O'Neill's voice. It was like fingernails on the chalk board to him. Certainly not your standard announcer tones. Somehow that makes him better…
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Post by vtfan on Dec 31, 2023 22:03:36 GMT -5
As I wrote, if you're happy with O'Neill as an announcer, stay that way. I happen to think that, for one, Jeff Nelson and Cone are the better analysts, and put both O'Neill and Kay in second place as discussants of players' performances etc. during particular games. I just shut off the vocals and go to cc when I know O'Neill's to be the night's co-announcer. But I can see that no one's going to complain about hearing him blah-blah-blah one more time about his ice-cream experiences that night--let alone any off-baseball issues that are unnecessary to bring up in this forum.
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Post by kaybli on Dec 31, 2023 22:40:40 GMT -5
Pinstripe Alley Top 100 Yankees: #36 Reggie Jackson“Mr. October” only needed five seasons in the Bronx to become a legend, thanks in large part to his brilliant play in the postseason
Full Name: Reginald Martinez Jackson Position: Outfielder Born: May 18, 1946 (Abington Township, Pennsylvania, U.S.) Yankee Years: 1977-81 Primary number: 44 Yankee statistics: 653 G, .281/.371/.526, 115 2B, 14 3B, 144 HR, 149 wRC+, 17.2 rWAR, 18.2 fWAR
Biography
Whether you want to call him “Mr. October” or “the straw that stirs the drink”, Reggie Jackson has a special place in Yankees history. He only played five seasons in the Bronx, but they included three pennants and two World Series championships. The talented, confident outfielder retired with 563 career home runs and was the definition of a winner during his playing days. The Early Years
In baseball, and in professional sports, there are athletes whose hard work and discipline allow them to reach new heights and become stars. Others, like Jackson, are born to make history. This isn’t to say that Jackson’s journey didn’t include lots of hard work, but from a very early age, Reggie had the talent and the self-confidence to achieve great things.
Jackson was born on May 18, 1946, in Wyncote, Pennsylvania. He loved sports very early on, and that’s mainly because of the influence of his father, Martinez Jackson. He, according to Britannica, was the one encouraging young Reginald (yes, that is his birth name) to become an athlete at Cheltenham High School in Pennsylvania.
His family decided to go with an odd family arrangement when Reggie was a kid, according to his SABR (Society of American Baseball Research) bio: his father and his mother, Clara, split, with the former raising Reggie, his older brother James, and an older half-brother, Joe. She left with three of the children.
A Multi-Sport Star
There, at Cheltenham, Jackson was a very good football, basketball and baseball player, but he also excelled in track. He always drew attention from scouts because of his all-around natural ability.
That said, he wasn’t a stranger to adversity. He hurt his knee in an early season football game in his junior year in 1962 (he was a tailback) and was not supposed to play again according to doctors. He returned for the last game of the season, but in that contest, he fractured five cervical vertebrae. He was told his ability to walk could be compromised, but it’s safe to say he did much more than that and beat the odds in an impressive recovery.
Despite constant attention from scouts, Jackson’s father urged him to go to college and he did just that, at Arizona State University (Tempe). According to Matt Kelly of MLB.com, he chose ASU because it was willing to let him be a two-sport athlete: he wanted to play both football and baseball.
After his freshman season there, he switched permanently to baseball. Suffice it to say, it was the right decision. Legendary head coach Bobby Winkles assigned him to a Baltimore Orioles-affiliated amateur team called Leone’s, and Jackson broke out.
By 1966, his sophomore year, Jackson had taken Rick Monday’s job as the team center fielder. He proceeded to break the record for most homers in a season on his team and pace his squad in other relevant statistical categories. He was a first-team All-American, and his future was bright.
Making His Way to the Big Leagues
After just a couple of years in college, Jackson was selected second overall in the 1966 MLB Draft by the Kansas City Athletics. The 20-year-old signed with the A’s for $85,000.
Jackson was assigned to the low Class A Northwest League, but made it to Modesto of the High-A California League relatively quickly. His short minor league career was completed with the company of some really promising names that, like him, would have an impact on the game: Rollie Fingers, Joe Rudi, and Dave Duncan.
They say even the greatest players get to know adversity and struggles at least once in their careers. For Jackson, that moment was 1967, when he was called up to the majors.
In 35 games and 135 plate appearances, Reggie hit only .178 with a 71 wRC+. He was sent back down, and per his SABR bio, he had problems handling it.
The demotion was difficult for him emotionally, but Birmingham manager John McNamara provided important support. McNamara managed Jackson again in Oakland and Anaheim, and Jackson said his help was essential for a 21-year-old trying to grow up and handle both success and failure in a Deep South environment
Jackson was able to shake of the disappointment. In 1968, his age-22 campaign, Jackson would take off. He hit .250/.316/.452 with 29 home runs, 74 RBI, 14 stolen bases and 4.7 fWAR, plus a much improved 137 wRC+.
Reggie would earn the first of his 14 All-Star berths in 1969, after belting 47 homers, driving in 118 runs, and posting a 179 wRC+ and 8.9 fWAR. With 40 of those bombs coming before the beginning of August, Jackson was so hot in the first half that he looked like he might approach Roger Maris’ record of 61. He was, just in his second full season, one of the best players in MLB.
Jackson would spend some of the best years of his career with the Athletics, who had relocated to Oakland in 1968. There, he won an AL MVP award in 1973, three World Series championships (1972-74), and a World Series MVP in 1973, wowing fans across the country with tape-measure homers along the way. Not too shabby.
In April 1976, he was traded to the Baltimore Orioles amid a salary dispute with Oakland. Although this chapter has been mostly forgotten in his long history, he went on to play another excellent season there (27 home runs, 28 stolen bases, 156 wRC+, 4.8 fWAR) before signing a free agent deal to play for the New York Yankees ahead of the 1977 campaign.
A Golden Chapter: The New York Yankees
Now, the Yanks were surging again after a rough period. Since their World Series loss in 1964, they hadn’t made the playoffs until 1976, when they lost the Fall Classic against the Big Red Machine, the Cincinnati Reds, via a sweep.
The Yankees were determined to get back where they belonged: the top. So, they went out and signed Jackson to a five-year contract worth $2.96 million, a boatload of money at the time.
Manager Billy Martin wasn’t particularly keen on bringing in Jackson, though, which led to some well-documented issues between the two. Even with that being the case, that first season Jackson had with the Bombers, in 1977, was magical. He was 31 by that time, but boy, did he have something left in the tank. He slashed .286/.375/.550 with 32 round-trippers, 93 runs, 110 RBI, 17 steals, a 153 wRC+ and 4.9 fWAR. Those are some fine numbers, but we were about to see him at his best in the postseason.
The Yankees defeated the Kansas City Royals and made it back to the World Series. Martin chose not to start Jackson in the decisive Game 5, but he came off the bench to deliver a key RBI hit in the eighth. Then in the ninth, New York plated three to take the series.
The Fall Classic brought forth the most memorable performance of Jackson’s career. In large part thanks to him, they would avenge their 1976 loss to the Cincinnati Reds by taking out the Los Angeles Dodgers in six.
“Mr. October”
With the Yankees leading the series 3-2, in Game 6, he would hit not one, nor two homers. He would go yard three times to make sure New York celebrated that night. He did it on just three pitches, against three different hurlers. “I felt like Superman,” he said, and you bet he did. He was, from that point on, “Mr. October”.
Reggie’s self-confidence is the stuff of legends. As the National Baseball Hall of Fame wrote it, “in 1973, as a member of the Oakland Athletics, Jackson said that if he was playing in New York, they would name a candy bar after him. Within five years, those words came true.” He also became famous for his phrase “I’m the straw that stirs the drink,” and you know what? He was.
With five home runs in six games, he took home World Series MVP honors for the second time in his career. He hit .450/.542/1.250 with a 1.792 OPS in that Fall Classic, cementing his status as a “money” player.
Jackson would win his fifth World Series as a player in 1978. His clashes with Martin and owner George Steinbrenner would lead to a messy divorce, as Martin resigned as Yankees skipper midseason after lambasting both of them. Bob Lemon took over, the Yankees pulled off a stunning rally to overtake Boston (with Jackson homering late in Game 163 after Bucky Dent), and they came away with a championship. Before that, he would have his typically excellent regular season: .274/.356/.477 with 27 dingers, 97 RBI and a 138 wRC+.
In the Fall Classic rematch against the Dodgers, Jackson would hit .391/.500/.696 with two homers, eight RBI, and a 1.196 OPS. Bucky Dent would take home MVP honors this time, but “Mr. October” still churned out a memorable moment when he took vengeance on young Bob Welch for striking him out to end Game 2 by going yard off the rookie in Game 6.
Jackson would stay three more seasons with the Yankees. They failed to make the playoffs in 1979, but returned to the big party in 1980. An ALCS exit put a sour end to a phenomenal year by Jackson, who hit .300 with a league-leading 41 home runs, plus 111 RBI and a 169 wRC+. He thrived under skipper Dick Howser and finished runner-up to George Brett for the AL MVP.
With fellow superstar Dave Winfield in tow for 1981, New York made it back to the World Series, this time losing to Ron Cey, Steve Yeager, Fernando Valenzuela and the Dodgers. An injury suffered while running the bases in the ALCS forced Reggie to miss the first three games of the Fall Classic, but he came back to have a 1.095 OPS in the remaining three. Those turned out to be the final Fall Classic at-bats of his career — and his last in pinstripes.
Leaving New York
Steinbrenner made a decision that he would personally say that he regretted during the 1981-82 offseason by letting Jackson walk. The 35-year-old veteran signed a five-year deal with the California Angels. With him, they made the ALCS in 1982 and 1986, and Jackson belted his 500th his career homer. At the time, he was one of just 13 players to reach that milestone.
After enduring heartbreak in the 1986 ALCS, Jackson departed the Halos for one last rodeo in Oakland for 1987. Although it was only a .500 team, he got to play with Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco, who would soon lead the A’s to their late-’80s American League dominance. Jackson belted 15 more long balls and called it a career. He made the National Baseball Hall of Fame on the first ballot in 1993.
For his career, Jackson’s numbers were truly fantastic. Yes, he had a tendency to strike out (a record 2,597), but he more than made up for that with 563 home runs, 1,702 RBI, 228 stolen bases, a .262/.356/.490 line, a 139 wRC+, and 72.7 fWAR. He also retired with 2,584 hits.
Jackson’s list of accolades is long and impressive: 14 All-Star Games, five World Series championships, two World Series MVPs, the 1973 AL MVP award, two Silver Slugger awards, and four home run crowns in the American League. He has a plaque in Monument Park and is a member of the Athletics’ Hall of Fame, having his number retired in both franchises: 9 with the A’s, and 44 with the Yankees.
Perhaps more importantly, Reggie was at his best when the lights were brightest. He retired with a cool .278/.358/.527 line and a .885 OPS in postseason play, including 18 home runs.
Post-Playing Career
Martinez Jackson got to enjoy his son’s HOF induction ceremony, but died the following year. Reggie did keep in contact with his mother and siblings despite not growing up together.
Jackson, who has a daughter named Kimberly, was for many years a senior advisor for the Yankees before departing due to disagreements with the front office. He had his ventures in the artistic world, working on TV shows such as The Love Boat, Diff’rent Strokes, MacGyver; and also some movies, like Ri¢hie Ri¢h, BASEketball, Summer of Sam, and, most famously, The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!
Since 2021, Reggie has been working for the Houston Astros as a special advisor to owner Jim Crane, focusing on community support and leading some really interesting projects.
Jackson has lived a colorful life, and the Yankees are a big part of it. He “only” played in the Bronx for five seasons, but he made them count. He was a star during his playing days and has been a revered figure (and the gold standard for postseason production and heroics) after his career. Those five years were more than enough to make him a franchise legend. Chicago White Sox v New York Yankees
Staff rank: 33 Community rank: 20 Stats rank: 76 2013 rank: 62
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Post by rizzuto on Dec 31, 2023 23:00:04 GMT -5
As I wrote, if you're happy with O'Neill as an announcer, stay that way. I happen to think that, for one, Jeff Nelson and Cone are the better analysts, and put both O'Neill and Kay in second place as discussants of players' performances etc. during particular games. I just shut off the vocals and go to cc when I know O'Neill's to be the night's co-announcer. But I can see that no one's going to complain about hearing him blah-blah-blah one more time about his ice-cream experiences that night--let alone any off-baseball issues that are unnecessary to bring up in this forum. At least you're not bitter.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 1, 2024 12:02:25 GMT -5
Pinstripe Alley Top 100 Yankees: #36 Reggie Jackson“Mr. October” only needed five seasons in the Bronx to become a legend, thanks in large part to his brilliant play in the postseason
Full Name: Reginald Martinez Jackson Position: Outfielder Born: May 18, 1946 (Abington Township, Pennsylvania, U.S.) Yankee Years: 1977-81 Primary number: 44 Yankee statistics: 653 G, .281/.371/.526, 115 2B, 14 3B, 144 HR, 149 wRC+, 17.2 rWAR, 18.2 fWAR
Biography
Whether you want to call him “Mr. October” or “the straw that stirs the drink”, Reggie Jackson has a special place in Yankees history. He only played five seasons in the Bronx, but they included three pennants and two World Series championships. The talented, confident outfielder retired with 563 career home runs and was the definition of a winner during his playing days. The Early Years
In baseball, and in professional sports, there are athletes whose hard work and discipline allow them to reach new heights and become stars. Others, like Jackson, are born to make history. This isn’t to say that Jackson’s journey didn’t include lots of hard work, but from a very early age, Reggie had the talent and the self-confidence to achieve great things.
Jackson was born on May 18, 1946, in Wyncote, Pennsylvania. He loved sports very early on, and that’s mainly because of the influence of his father, Martinez Jackson. He, according to Britannica, was the one encouraging young Reginald (yes, that is his birth name) to become an athlete at Cheltenham High School in Pennsylvania.
His family decided to go with an odd family arrangement when Reggie was a kid, according to his SABR (Society of American Baseball Research) bio: his father and his mother, Clara, split, with the former raising Reggie, his older brother James, and an older half-brother, Joe. She left with three of the children.
A Multi-Sport Star
There, at Cheltenham, Jackson was a very good football, basketball and baseball player, but he also excelled in track. He always drew attention from scouts because of his all-around natural ability.
That said, he wasn’t a stranger to adversity. He hurt his knee in an early season football game in his junior year in 1962 (he was a tailback) and was not supposed to play again according to doctors. He returned for the last game of the season, but in that contest, he fractured five cervical vertebrae. He was told his ability to walk could be compromised, but it’s safe to say he did much more than that and beat the odds in an impressive recovery.
Despite constant attention from scouts, Jackson’s father urged him to go to college and he did just that, at Arizona State University (Tempe). According to Matt Kelly of MLB.com, he chose ASU because it was willing to let him be a two-sport athlete: he wanted to play both football and baseball.
After his freshman season there, he switched permanently to baseball. Suffice it to say, it was the right decision. Legendary head coach Bobby Winkles assigned him to a Baltimore Orioles-affiliated amateur team called Leone’s, and Jackson broke out.
By 1966, his sophomore year, Jackson had taken Rick Monday’s job as the team center fielder. He proceeded to break the record for most homers in a season on his team and pace his squad in other relevant statistical categories. He was a first-team All-American, and his future was bright.
Making His Way to the Big Leagues
After just a couple of years in college, Jackson was selected second overall in the 1966 MLB Draft by the Kansas City Athletics. The 20-year-old signed with the A’s for $85,000.
Jackson was assigned to the low Class A Northwest League, but made it to Modesto of the High-A California League relatively quickly. His short minor league career was completed with the company of some really promising names that, like him, would have an impact on the game: Rollie Fingers, Joe Rudi, and Dave Duncan.
They say even the greatest players get to know adversity and struggles at least once in their careers. For Jackson, that moment was 1967, when he was called up to the majors.
In 35 games and 135 plate appearances, Reggie hit only .178 with a 71 wRC+. He was sent back down, and per his SABR bio, he had problems handling it.
The demotion was difficult for him emotionally, but Birmingham manager John McNamara provided important support. McNamara managed Jackson again in Oakland and Anaheim, and Jackson said his help was essential for a 21-year-old trying to grow up and handle both success and failure in a Deep South environment
Jackson was able to shake of the disappointment. In 1968, his age-22 campaign, Jackson would take off. He hit .250/.316/.452 with 29 home runs, 74 RBI, 14 stolen bases and 4.7 fWAR, plus a much improved 137 wRC+.
Reggie would earn the first of his 14 All-Star berths in 1969, after belting 47 homers, driving in 118 runs, and posting a 179 wRC+ and 8.9 fWAR. With 40 of those bombs coming before the beginning of August, Jackson was so hot in the first half that he looked like he might approach Roger Maris’ record of 61. He was, just in his second full season, one of the best players in MLB.
Jackson would spend some of the best years of his career with the Athletics, who had relocated to Oakland in 1968. There, he won an AL MVP award in 1973, three World Series championships (1972-74), and a World Series MVP in 1973, wowing fans across the country with tape-measure homers along the way. Not too shabby.
In April 1976, he was traded to the Baltimore Orioles amid a salary dispute with Oakland. Although this chapter has been mostly forgotten in his long history, he went on to play another excellent season there (27 home runs, 28 stolen bases, 156 wRC+, 4.8 fWAR) before signing a free agent deal to play for the New York Yankees ahead of the 1977 campaign.
A Golden Chapter: The New York Yankees
Now, the Yanks were surging again after a rough period. Since their World Series loss in 1964, they hadn’t made the playoffs until 1976, when they lost the Fall Classic against the Big Red Machine, the Cincinnati Reds, via a sweep.
The Yankees were determined to get back where they belonged: the top. So, they went out and signed Jackson to a five-year contract worth $2.96 million, a boatload of money at the time.
Manager Billy Martin wasn’t particularly keen on bringing in Jackson, though, which led to some well-documented issues between the two. Even with that being the case, that first season Jackson had with the Bombers, in 1977, was magical. He was 31 by that time, but boy, did he have something left in the tank. He slashed .286/.375/.550 with 32 round-trippers, 93 runs, 110 RBI, 17 steals, a 153 wRC+ and 4.9 fWAR. Those are some fine numbers, but we were about to see him at his best in the postseason.
The Yankees defeated the Kansas City Royals and made it back to the World Series. Martin chose not to start Jackson in the decisive Game 5, but he came off the bench to deliver a key RBI hit in the eighth. Then in the ninth, New York plated three to take the series.
The Fall Classic brought forth the most memorable performance of Jackson’s career. In large part thanks to him, they would avenge their 1976 loss to the Cincinnati Reds by taking out the Los Angeles Dodgers in six.
“Mr. October”
With the Yankees leading the series 3-2, in Game 6, he would hit not one, nor two homers. He would go yard three times to make sure New York celebrated that night. He did it on just three pitches, against three different hurlers. “I felt like Superman,” he said, and you bet he did. He was, from that point on, “Mr. October”.
Reggie’s self-confidence is the stuff of legends. As the National Baseball Hall of Fame wrote it, “in 1973, as a member of the Oakland Athletics, Jackson said that if he was playing in New York, they would name a candy bar after him. Within five years, those words came true.” He also became famous for his phrase “I’m the straw that stirs the drink,” and you know what? He was.
With five home runs in six games, he took home World Series MVP honors for the second time in his career. He hit .450/.542/1.250 with a 1.792 OPS in that Fall Classic, cementing his status as a “money” player.
Jackson would win his fifth World Series as a player in 1978. His clashes with Martin and owner George Steinbrenner would lead to a messy divorce, as Martin resigned as Yankees skipper midseason after lambasting both of them. Bob Lemon took over, the Yankees pulled off a stunning rally to overtake Boston (with Jackson homering late in Game 163 after Bucky Dent), and they came away with a championship. Before that, he would have his typically excellent regular season: .274/.356/.477 with 27 dingers, 97 RBI and a 138 wRC+.
In the Fall Classic rematch against the Dodgers, Jackson would hit .391/.500/.696 with two homers, eight RBI, and a 1.196 OPS. Bucky Dent would take home MVP honors this time, but “Mr. October” still churned out a memorable moment when he took vengeance on young Bob Welch for striking him out to end Game 2 by going yard off the rookie in Game 6.
Jackson would stay three more seasons with the Yankees. They failed to make the playoffs in 1979, but returned to the big party in 1980. An ALCS exit put a sour end to a phenomenal year by Jackson, who hit .300 with a league-leading 41 home runs, plus 111 RBI and a 169 wRC+. He thrived under skipper Dick Howser and finished runner-up to George Brett for the AL MVP.
With fellow superstar Dave Winfield in tow for 1981, New York made it back to the World Series, this time losing to Ron Cey, Steve Yeager, Fernando Valenzuela and the Dodgers. An injury suffered while running the bases in the ALCS forced Reggie to miss the first three games of the Fall Classic, but he came back to have a 1.095 OPS in the remaining three. Those turned out to be the final Fall Classic at-bats of his career — and his last in pinstripes.
Leaving New York
Steinbrenner made a decision that he would personally say that he regretted during the 1981-82 offseason by letting Jackson walk. The 35-year-old veteran signed a five-year deal with the California Angels. With him, they made the ALCS in 1982 and 1986, and Jackson belted his 500th his career homer. At the time, he was one of just 13 players to reach that milestone.
After enduring heartbreak in the 1986 ALCS, Jackson departed the Halos for one last rodeo in Oakland for 1987. Although it was only a .500 team, he got to play with Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco, who would soon lead the A’s to their late-’80s American League dominance. Jackson belted 15 more long balls and called it a career. He made the National Baseball Hall of Fame on the first ballot in 1993.
For his career, Jackson’s numbers were truly fantastic. Yes, he had a tendency to strike out (a record 2,597), but he more than made up for that with 563 home runs, 1,702 RBI, 228 stolen bases, a .262/.356/.490 line, a 139 wRC+, and 72.7 fWAR. He also retired with 2,584 hits.
Jackson’s list of accolades is long and impressive: 14 All-Star Games, five World Series championships, two World Series MVPs, the 1973 AL MVP award, two Silver Slugger awards, and four home run crowns in the American League. He has a plaque in Monument Park and is a member of the Athletics’ Hall of Fame, having his number retired in both franchises: 9 with the A’s, and 44 with the Yankees.
Perhaps more importantly, Reggie was at his best when the lights were brightest. He retired with a cool .278/.358/.527 line and a .885 OPS in postseason play, including 18 home runs.
Post-Playing Career
Martinez Jackson got to enjoy his son’s HOF induction ceremony, but died the following year. Reggie did keep in contact with his mother and siblings despite not growing up together.
Jackson, who has a daughter named Kimberly, was for many years a senior advisor for the Yankees before departing due to disagreements with the front office. He had his ventures in the artistic world, working on TV shows such as The Love Boat, Diff’rent Strokes, MacGyver; and also some movies, like Ri¢hie Ri¢h, BASEketball, Summer of Sam, and, most famously, The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!
Since 2021, Reggie has been working for the Houston Astros as a special advisor to owner Jim Crane, focusing on community support and leading some really interesting projects.
Jackson has lived a colorful life, and the Yankees are a big part of it. He “only” played in the Bronx for five seasons, but he made them count. He was a star during his playing days and has been a revered figure (and the gold standard for postseason production and heroics) after his career. Those five years were more than enough to make him a franchise legend. Chicago White Sox v New York Yankees
Staff rank: 33 Community rank: 20 Stats rank: 76 2013 rank: 62
In the For What It's Worth category, among the customers for Reggie's father's tailoring/dry cleaning business was the neighboring Netanyahu family. Bibi's older brother Yoni was a classmate of Reggie's at Cheltenham High School, Class of 1964. Bibi graduated from there in 1967. Yoni was an Israeli commando who led the raid on Entebbe in 1976 to recover a hijacked plane that was going from Israel to France. While the raid was an overwhelming success in freeing the hostages -- only four deaths out of 106 passengers -- Yoni himself was the only Israeli soldier killed in the action. There's a monument to him in Philly. Reggie had to have known the Netanyahu family, but I have never heard of anyone asking him about it. One of my best friends went to Cheltenham High School in the early 60s and knew the Netanyahus and Reggie's father well, but Reggie would have been a little kid and escaped his notice other than being the kid he sometimes saw at the dry cleaning shop. Worth even less info is that an actor named Eddie Applegate also went to Cheltenham High, although a few years before the aforementioned notables. Anybody who recognizes that name is a true devotee of 1960s sitcoms. He played Patty Duke's boyfriend Richard on "The Patty Duke Show." If memory serves, he was always gnawing on an apple and wearing an oversized sweater when he dropped into the Lane household in Brooklyn Heights.
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Post by inger on Jan 1, 2024 16:25:10 GMT -5
Jackson is one of the few athletes that brought tears of joy to me. The others were Mickey Mantle, Muhammad Ali. And Chris Chambliss…
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Post by kaybli on Jan 2, 2024 13:57:17 GMT -5
Pinstripe Alley Top 100 Yankees: #35 Dave WinfieldThe superstar’s mix of on-field performance and off-field chaos was a defining piece of the ‘80s.
Name: David Mark Winfield Position: Right field Born: October 3, 1951 Yankee years: 1981-90 Primary numbers: 31 Yankee statistics: 1,172 G, 5,021 PA, 1,300 H, 205 HR, 76 SB, .290/.356/.495, 134 OPS+. 27.1 rWAR, 26.5 fWAR
Biography
Pretty famously, baseball is a sport where players with all kinds of body types can succeed. Jose Altuve and Aaron Judge can tangle atop AL MVP ballots, Esteury Ruiz and Kyle Schwarber can be leadoff hitters despite 60 pounds of difference in their list weights. As we get closer to the top of this list, we’re going to see guys that don’t, as Dusty Rhodes put it, look like the athlete of the day — hello Babe Ruth.
Dave Winfield was not that guy. Perhaps the best pure athlete to ever play for the Yankees, Winfield was drafted by four major sports leagues, and the story of the game should be thankful he chose baseball. A star of the oft-maligned 1980s Yankees, Winfield still hit more home runs than Robinson Canó, drove in more than Tino Martinez, and scored more runs than Paul O’Neill. His on-field accomplishments came in parallel with a decade-long war with the owner of his team. He also killed a seagull in the middle of a game.
Minnesota Standout
Living with their single mother in St. Paul Minnesota’s historically black Rondo neighborhood, Dave and his brother Stephen were truly raised by a village. Mother Arlene was surrounded by a network of siblings who could pinch hit to watch the boys for a night, but perhaps the real work of keeping the boys busy was done by the Minnesota public school system.
By the time Winfield entered Saint Paul Central for high school, he was already honing his skills at baseball in the summer, and hockey in the winter — a tried and true approach to athletics in Minny. Dave put down the skates and took up a pair of Converse in high school, as his natural size made him a focal point of St. Paul Central basketball’s starting five. Earning all-state honors in both baseball and basketball, after graduation Winfield was drafted, for the first of many times, in the 40th round by the Baltimore Orioles.
Passing up that opportunity for a full-ride scholarship at the University of Minnesota, Dave continued his two-sport success for the Golden Gophers. In his junior year, making his way into the basketball starting lineup through sheer force of will and rebounding, the Gophers captured their first Big Ten championship in 53 seasons, and a year later, with a 2.74 ERA and .385 average, Winfield was an All-American on the diamond.
It wasn’t all up and to the right for Winny in college though. After a promising freshman year he and a friend were arrested for stealing a pair of snow blowers, and after pleading to felony robbery received a three-year suspended sentence. In January of 1972, during a contentious B10 showdown with Ohio State, Winfield left the bench to join an on-court brawl after a particularly rough foul. While he wasn’t punished for that infraction, it was clear by the time college was wrapping up that Dave Winfield was a supremely talented athlete, albeit one with a bit of a chip on his shoulder.
Cue the 1973 College World Series, with Winfield the ace of the Big Ten champion Gophers. He kicked off the tourney with a complete game, 14-strikeout shutout over Oklahoma and faced down the USC Trojans on the final day of the bracket. After more than 140 pitches, Big Dave was staked to a 7-0 lead, had allowed just a single hit against 15 Ks in eight innings, and was trusted with delivering a second CGSO. By this point, Minny’s ace was gassed, allowing a pair of runs to open the ninth before being moved to left field, just in time to watch the relief corps blow the whole game. Minnesota lost 8-7, finishing third in the tournament — but Dave Winfield walked away with MVP honors.
Enter the draft circus.
The Padres made Winfield the fourth overall pick in the 1973 draft, while the Atlanta Hawks and Utah Stars picked him in the fifth and sixth rounds of the NBA and ABA drafts respectively. The Minnesota Vikings had selected Winfield in the 17th and final round of the NFL draft back in January, despite him never playing a snap of college football. While Winny must have loved the Golden Gophers, he must have hated all the drawn out winters, seeing as he went ahead with an MLB career and accepted a $15,000 signing bonus to join San Diego.
Straight to the Show
We’re in a time when prospects can move through systems pretty quickly. Alex Bregman and Dansby Swanson were polished college bats who went 1-2 in the 2015 MLB Draft, making it to The Show in a little over a full calendar year. Dave Winfield put that to shame, being promoted directly to the majors after signing, going directly from Minneapolis to playing 56 games in the majors in 1973. Since Winfield, only five position players have copied that trajectory.
Despite his pitching prowess, MLB teams saw Winfield as a slugging outfielder, never hurling in the majors and immediately being made the starting right fielder for the Padres. He handled himself well in those 56 games, being league average with the bat which in and of itself is an accomplishment given his spring and early summer.
Never a powerhouse in the NL West, the Padres finished over .500 just once during Winfield’s formative years, including 1977 when the 25-year-old outfielder finally broke out. An All-Star for the first time, he also had his first year of scoring more than 100 runs and posting a plus-.800 OPS for a 69-win Padres squad. That All-Star Game was played at Yankee Stadium, perhaps giving the still-relatively-new Yankee owner George Steinbrenner his first in-person look at the man he would torment for nearly a decade.
An All-Star each of the next two years, Winfield began to be seen as one of the game’s most feared bats in spite of his club’s struggles for relevance. He was named the Padres’ captain in 1978 as he continued to demonstrate his sensational talent.
The 1979 campaign would be the high-water mark of Winfield’s career, as belted 34 bombs and led the NL in RBI, OPS+, intentional walks, and both major WAR calculations. It was his second straight year of 20+ IBBs, a symptom not just of how scared opposing pitchers were to face him, but also of how punchless the rest of the Dads’ lineup was. Winfield was now one of the best hitters in the game, but he had become the guy you don’t let beat you. That ‘79 Padres team would score just 603 runs, and 118 of them — 19.5 percent!!!! — were driven in by the third-place MVP finisher.
Headed into the 1980 season, Winny was at a crossroads. A contentious extension signed ahead of that breakout 1977 campaign, along with growing frustration at the club’s inability to improve, signaled that the star was looking for a way out of San Diego entering his final season under contract. Never one to shy away from confrontation, Winfield addressed the gap between his accomplishments and the team’s bluntly. "“If the Padres go places, I will be a main reason,” he said. “But if they falter, I’ll still shine.”"
Playing all 162 games in ‘80, it became clear to some that Winfield’s frustrations were both affecting his on-field play — his OPS dropped almost 140 points — and his general attitude, boiling over in a brawl with legendary hands-thrower Nolan Ryan.
As the 73-win season wound down, it was clear that Winfield’s time as a Padre was over. A second consecutive Gold Glove and fourth straight All-Star appearance would close the book on his tenure in Southern California, as the bright lights of New York beckoned.
Ten Years in Hell
On the surface, this should have been a perfect match. The Yankees were looking for an on-the-fly retool after a stunning 1980 playoff sweep against the Royals, flush with cash as Steinbrenner began to flex his muscles following a turnaround of the franchise’s fortunes. Dave Winfield was looking for a team that was ready to win, and one that could handle his personality. Ten years, $23 million was the price for Winfield’s services, the richest contract in baseball history to that point.
Before the ink was dry on the deal, there was drama. Steinbrenner, who prided himself on his ability to negotiate his own agreements, either didn’t read or didn’t understand a cost of living clause in the contract, one that added an additional $7 million dollars to Winny’s compensation.
Agent Al Frohman, upon learning how surprised (read: spitting mad) The Boss was at the inclusion of such a clause, vaguely threatened the owner of baseball’s premier franchise. "If he ever touches a hair of my boy’s head … I’ll blow the lid. I’ve got stuff on George that if it ever came out, he would be in big trouble. It’s very easy to be friends with George if you have blackmail on him"
All of this occurred before Winfield took a swing at the Stadium. Steinbrenner was the type to hold grudges only relative to the player’s performance, and in a strike-shortened season, Big Dave played in 105 of the Yankees’ 107 games, taking home another All-Star appearance and a Silver Slugger award in his debut turn with the Yankees.
In the first ever ALDS, Winfield hit .350 to pace the club over the Brewers, but after dusting Billy Martin’s Athletics in the Championship Series, he recorded just one base hit in the World Series loss against the Dodgers.
Now that the Silver Slugger was an annual award, it seemed you could pencil Winfield in for an All-Star selection, and both the league’s fielding and batting awards for the position. From 1979-85, Big Dave played in the Midsummer Classic each year, took home six Gold Gloves, and won the hitting counterpart five straight seasons in the Bronx. Despite being one of the top hitters in the game, with a fearsome swing and the consistency that fans (especially a certain future captain) yearn for, the Yankees didn’t make the playoffs again in his tenure.
In the Year of Three Managers, 1982, Winfield hit a career-high 37 home runs, and the perpetual low-simmering conflict between the outfielder and the owner seemed to reach its coolest point. With perpetual managerial changes and a playoff system unfriendly to the good-but-not-great, or great-but-not-the-best Yankees, it seemed the least of the team’s problems was their hulking slugger.
The ‘83 season was another typically excellent run for Winfield, although with yet another season missing the playoffs, the big story came in Toronto in August, when Dave’s throw into the ball boy in the mid-fifth struck a seagull in the base of the skull, and the bird dropped dead. Jays fans immediately began to heckle and lob objects at the Yankee outfield, and on-field Constable Wayne Hartery decided to arrest Winfield following the game.
Charged with “unnecessary suffering of an animal”, Winfield was booked on $500 bond, posted by Toronto GM Pat Gillick allowing the Yank to return to the team hotel.
The next day, the Crown Attorney assigned to the case found there was no evidence showing criminal intent, and although Winfield was booed mercilessly for almost ten years after the fact by Jays fans, charges were dismissed.
By 1984, that long simmering tension between player and owner began to bubble over again, as Steinbrenner began open attempts to get Winfield off his team even as Winny and captain Don Mattingly began a chase for the ages, hunting down a batting title that was decided by 0.003 points. Finishing the year at .340, Winfield watched Donnie Baseball collect four hits in the final game of the year against Detroit — with a rousing standing ovation in each plate appearance. The Hit Man ended the year at .343, and while the two stars walked off the field embracing each other, the positive vibes were skin-deep.
Winfield began to resent the overt favoritism shown to Mattingly. Don was the hometown player, so fans gravitating toward that was nothing new — Dave even compared himself to the reaction Roger Maris would get as he bypassed Mickey Mantle back in ‘61. But the greater support Mattingly received from his teammates and the public backing by Steinbrenner had Winfield questioning whether his Blackness had something to do with the whole situation.
Ozzie Smith, when Big Dave left San Diego, remarked that the towering outfielder carried an air of holier-than-thou-ness, so again we can’t really be sure how much of this resentment was borne out of real grievances or Winfield’s pride. For what it’s worth, the Yankee cleanup hitter always insisted that his issues had nothing to do with Mattingly personally. We do know that that great, historic 1984 chase was probably the last, best moment for Dave Winfield in pinstripes.
All-Out War
“Where is Reggie Jackson? We need a Mr. October or a Mr. September. Winfield is Mr. May.”
Dave Winfield had a 120 wRC+ in the first half of 1985, and a 114 in the second. Now yes, that is technically a decline in performance, but nothing so striking as to merit a name that stuck so well. Debate rages about whether Steinbrenner uttered the above quote after the ‘81 World Series failure or after a particularly ugly loss down the stretch of ‘85 to the division-leading Blue Jays, though New York Times reporter Dave Anderson went to his grave insisting it came in the latter year.
And that was the crux of Steinbrenner’s frustration, not just with Winfield but with Ken Griffey and Don Baylor. His “big money players” weren’t playing like such, in his eyes. That those three players, specifically named in Anderson’s NYT piece, were all Black should not escape notice. Baylor would be dealt to Boston before the 1986 season, and Griffey would be sent to Atlanta in the middle of the same year, but Winfield’s contract made any kind of trade tricky. George began to instruct Lou Piniella to bench or platoon his nominal cleanup hitter.
Payments then were withheld from the Yankees to the Dave Winfield Foundation, a clause deliberately inserted into that 10-year, $23 million contract to follow a precedent set in Winfield’s San Diego days. After receiving a court order to resume payments, advised by the paragon of legal ethics that was Roy Cohn — himself dying while denying his AIDS diagnosis and being disbarred — Steinbrenner sued to remove Dave from the board of the foundation, claiming poor financial management and failure to deliver on specified objectives.
All Winfield did on the field during these two most toxic seasons was blast 51 home runs and drive in 201 runs.
Enter Howie Spira.
A bookie with low level Mob ties, Spira and Winfield had been moving in similar circles since 1981, with Spira acting as a kind of moronic information broker. Approaching Winfield in 1987 claiming to have damning information on The Boss and being turned down, Spira went to Steinbrenner with a similar offer. $40,000 changed hands, and leaks began to spread that Dave Winfield was betting on baseball.
Reeling from the Pete Rose affair, the MLB commissioner’s office began a full investigation after Spira finally, publicly levelled his accusation. Said investigation was an unmitigated disaster for George Steinbrenner, as it not only found no evidence Winfield was gambling, but that the Polestar of Human Evil Cohn’s suggestion of financial impropriety at the Winfield Foundation was a lie as well. Steinbrenner was forced to give up control of the team, accepting a ban that wasn’t lifted until 1993.
Winfield was vindicated but embroiled in a toxifying and rapidly disintegrating relationship with the Yankees, even one nominally Steinbrenner-less. After missing the ‘89 season with a back injury, he was left off the All-Star ballot in the 1990 season, the second-to-last straw before a May 11th deal to the Angels — the final one being a quarter-million dollar fine for tampering with the Angels/Winfield relationship even after the trade was completed.
No Longer Mr. May
Whatever you think of Dave Winfield — arrogant, hard-nosed, talented, philanthropic — his story climaxed in a Blue Jays uniform. Signing with Toronto ahead of the 1992 season, he was one of several veteran pieces added to a talented core in hopes of capturing a franchise’s elusive world championship.
At 40, Winny notched a 140 wRC+ while striking out almost exactly as much as he walked and finishing fifth in AL MVP voting. As George Steinbrenner was so fond of noting though, it was what you did in October that counted. Whether Winfield was carrying some lingering hate for The Boss entering that season’s playoff run we’ll never know, but he finally had his baseball moment.
That double in that reel above ended up winning the whole damn Series for Toronto, and Winfield was once again vindicated, this time on the sport’s biggest stage. You’ll still find some old school Jays fans referring to him as Mr. Jay, despite just one glorious year north of the border.
Heading home to Minnesota for the ‘93 season off the high of the World Series, Dave Winfield solidified his Hall of Fame credentials in front of the MSP faithful with his 3,000th career hit.
Two years later, Winfield walked off the diamond for the last time. He had joined the offensive powerhouse in Cleveland in time for their outstanding 1995 season, but a busted-up shoulder limited his play and he was inactive for their postseason run. Winfield retired with sterling numbers: 3,110 hits, 540 doubles, 465 homers, and a 130 OPS+ across 22 years.
As Steinbrenner began his return to Yankee operations, and the Yankees themselves returned to baseball Providence, The Boss privately attempted to reconcile his relationship with his one-time superstar. How do you forgive a man that made your life hellish for a decade, who within a year of giving you the largest contract in sports seemed determined to root you from the roster, in legal ways and others?
Perhaps age sands down all our sharper edges, as Winfield admitted in his Hall of Fame induction speech that both men had grown and grown closer.
Although Winfield still did go into the Hall with a Padres cap, after his induction the relationship had warmed enough that August 18, 2001 was Dave Winfield Day at Yankee Stadium. The club stopped short of retiring his No. 31, but started to freshen up ties between the two parties; he later appeared at a few Old-Timers’ Days, as well as events closing The House That Ruth Built in 2008.
Dave Winfield was arguably the best pure athlete to ever step on a baseball diamond, and his career accomplishments speak for themselves. He tallied 3,110 hits, was a key figure in the history of three franchises while remaining a hometown hero for a fourth, and he became a first-ballot Hall of Famer in 2001. Yet it was his personality and how it clashed or paralleled with the biggest names in the sport that perhaps best define his legacy. He was the most consistent, best year-in-and-out player in a lost Bronx decade, but the chaos that surrounded him may leave his legacy a slot below the type that The Boss specifically would call a “true Yankee” ... even if the totality of his career dwarfs many of them.
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Post by Max on Jan 2, 2024 14:09:55 GMT -5
Rizzuto was my favorite, even if a game was boring, Rizzuto could always give me a good laugh. Another one of my favorites for MLB and the NFL was Curt Gowdy. My favorite NFL team was Pat Summerall and John Madden.
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Post by kaybli on Jan 2, 2024 14:12:49 GMT -5
Rizzuto was my favorite, even if a game was boring, Rizzuto could always give me a good laugh. Another one of my favorites for MLB and the NFL was Curt Gowdy. My favorite NFL team was Pat Summerall and John Madden. I loved John Madden. Even read three of his books as a youngster. Continue to play his video game.
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Post by bigjeep on Jan 2, 2024 14:33:48 GMT -5
Rizzuto was my favorite, even if a game was boring, Rizzuto could always give me a good laugh. Another one of my favorites for MLB and the NFL was Curt Gowdy. My favorite NFL team was Pat Summerall and John Madden. Yes!
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Post by bomberhojoe on Jan 2, 2024 15:13:33 GMT -5
I have always felt Reggie Jackson was remembered as an all-time great based mostly on his 1977 World Series performance. IMO, he was rather one dimensional, only hustled when he felt like it, was a terrible team player and a huge egotist. I know many Yankee fans who agree with me, but also many who do not.
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Post by bomberhojoe on Jan 2, 2024 15:22:36 GMT -5
Rizzuto was my favorite, even if a game was boring, Rizzuto could always give me a good laugh. Another one of my favorites for MLB and the NFL was Curt Gowdy. My favorite NFL team was Pat Summerall and John Madden. I always got a kick out of Don Meredith and how he would rib Cosell.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 2, 2024 16:18:46 GMT -5
Rizzuto was my favorite, even if a game was boring, Rizzuto could always give me a good laugh. Another one of my favorites for MLB and the NFL was Curt Gowdy. My favorite NFL team was Pat Summerall and John Madden. I always got a kick out of Don Meredith and how he would rib Cosell. Meredith was a lot smarter than Cosell IMO. But he was folksy smart and wore it lightly. Gifford was a pretty good referee up there in the booth.
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Post by pippsheadache on Jan 2, 2024 16:27:22 GMT -5
I have always felt Reggie Jackson was remembered as an all-time great based mostly on his 1977 World Series performance. IMO, he was rather one dimensional, only hustled when he felt like it, was a terrible team player and a huge egotist. I know many Yankee fans who agree with me, but also many who do not. I'm sort of in the middle on Reggie Jackson. On the one hand, he was often a repellent egomaniac who actually seemed to believe his own BS. And he only had five years with the Yankees, and often as you say was not exactly busting it out there. On the other hand, I do think there was/is another side of him that is more aware, who really was grief-stricken when his frenemy Munson was killed and who at some deep level loved being a Yankee and being part of that tradition. I would say he's never been an easy guy to fully embrace, although he was definitely one of the most compelling players to watch that I have ever seen. So I get it when people love him and I get it when people can't stand him. I admit early on I was in the "can't stand him" camp, but I've mellowed toward him over the years.
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Post by bigjeep on Jan 2, 2024 16:59:57 GMT -5
I have always felt Reggie Jackson was remembered as an all-time great based mostly on his 1977 World Series performance. IMO, he was rather one dimensional, only hustled when he felt like it, was a terrible team player and a huge egotist. I know many Yankee fans who agree with me, but also many who do not. I'm sort of in the middle on Reggie Jackson. On the one hand, he was often a repellent egomaniac who actually seemed to believe his own BS. And he only had five years with the Yankees, and often as you say was not exactly busting it out there. On the other hand, I do think there was/is another side of him that is more aware, who really was grief-stricken when his frenemy Munson was killed and who at some deep level loved being a Yankee and being part of that tradition. I would say he's never been an easy guy to fully embrace, although he was definitely one of the most compelling players to watch that I have ever seen. So I get it when people love him and I get it when people can't stand him. I admit early on I was in the "can't stand him" camp, but I've mellowed toward him over the years. I thought he was better than Mr. May!
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