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Post by Max on Feb 1, 2024 14:41:39 GMT -5
When Fisk left Boston, he was a 6 time allstar, ROY and GG winner. I'd say his baseball resume was a little more accomplished than Dion and he had earned the big payday on the field. As for watching the HR, I've never had a problem with players showing excitement or pleasure for a big accomplishment on the field. His celebration seemed genuine to me and it was a big moment. That doesn't make Fisk judge and jury on other players do on the field, especially something as trivial a pre-at bat ritual.
Exactly. I'm one of the first to complain about over the top showboating. But I mean, come on. Ooh he called timeout and made a dollar sign. Big deal.
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Post by fwclipper51 on Feb 1, 2024 15:23:37 GMT -5
That doesn't make Fisk judge and jury on other players do on the field, especially something as trivial a pre-at bat ritual.
Exactly. I'm one of the first to complain about over the top showboating. But I mean, come on. Ooh he called timeout and made a dollar sign. Big deal.
The older players have always resented the "young rich kids" who had played in MLB. Sanders didn't behave that way, while playing in the Yankees farm system under Manager Buck Showwalter. Clipper |
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Post by bomberhojoe on Feb 1, 2024 15:30:30 GMT -5
When Fisk left Boston, he was a 6 time allstar, ROY and GG winner. I'd say his baseball resume was a little more accomplished than Dion and he had earned the big payday on the field. As for watching the HR, I've never had a problem with players showing excitement or pleasure for a big accomplishment on the field. His celebration seemed genuine to me and it was a big moment. I have no problem with players taking the money, whichever team it comes from. Teams have no loyalty toward players, why should anyone expect it from players? Had no problem with Fisk's HR celebration, or Joe Carter's in the '93 WS. HUGE moments... Had no problem with Fisk or Carter. As previously mentioned, they were genuine, in the moment celebrations. What I can't stand is bat flipping, strutting, staring at hits in MLB. And in football, all the rehearsed celebrations, and the celebrating every single play nonsense. |
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Post by azbob643 on Feb 1, 2024 15:38:34 GMT -5
I have no problem with players taking the money, whichever team it comes from. Teams have no loyalty toward players, why should anyone expect it from players? Had no problem with Fisk's HR celebration, or Joe Carter's in the '93 WS. HUGE moments... Had no problem with Fisk or Carter. As previously mentioned, they were genuine, in the moment celebrations. What I can't stand is bat flipping, strutting, staring at hits in MLB. And in football, all the rehearsed celebrations, and the celebrating every single play nonsense. Yeah...I'm a little less bothered by the bat flips, etc. but I'd rather see less of it. I'm absolutely 100% on the same page as you re the football celebrations for simply doing what they're paid to do...routine plays. |
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Post by Max on Feb 1, 2024 15:54:10 GMT -5
Exactly. I'm one of the first to complain about over the top showboating. But I mean, come on. Ooh he called timeout and made a dollar sign. Big deal.
The older players have always resented the "young rich kids" who had played in MLB. Sanders didn't behave that way, while playing in the Yankees farm system under Manager Buck Showwalter. Clipper
Well, that's too bad for them since some of them were once "young rich kids". I don't know if it was Fisk's intention, but I'm not a fan of a player trying to intimidate or bully a new MLB player on the block. Maybe Fisk just didn't like what Sanders did, but in my opinion Sanders didn't do anything wrong, since he wasn't showing up anyone. MLB players step out of the batter's box for many different reasons.
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Post by Max on Feb 1, 2024 15:58:10 GMT -5
Had no problem with Fisk or Carter. As previously mentioned, they were genuine, in the moment celebrations. What I can't stand is bat flipping, strutting, staring at hits in MLB. And in football, all the rehearsed celebrations, and the celebrating every single play nonsense. Yeah...I'm a little less bothered by the bat flips, etc. but I'd rather see less of it. I'm absolutely 100% on the same page as you re the football celebrations for simply doing what they're paid to do...routine plays. The funniest are the times when a WR catches a pass and the DB tackles him, then the DB celebrates. Hello? The WR just caught a pass.  |
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Post by Max on Feb 1, 2024 16:06:12 GMT -5
The older players have always resented the "young rich kids" who had played in MLB. Sanders didn't behave that way, while playing in the Yankees farm system under Manager Buck Showwalter. Clipper
Well, that's too bad for some of them since some of them were once "young rich kids". I don't know if it was Fisk's intention, but I'm not a fan of a player trying to intimidate or bully the new MLB player on the block. Maybe Fisk just didn't like what Sanders did, but in my opinion Sanders didn't do anything wrong, since he wasn't showing up anyone. MLB players step out of the batter's box for many different reasons.
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 1, 2024 16:08:49 GMT -5
The older players have always resented the "young rich kids" who had played in MLB. Sanders didn't behave that way, while playing in the Yankees farm system under Manager Buck Showwalter. Clipper
Well, that's too bad for them since they themselves were once "young rich kids". I don't know if it was Fisk's intention, but I'm not a fan of a player trying to intimidate or bully a new MLB player on the block. Maybe Fisk just didn't like what Sanders did, but in my opinion Sanders didn't do anything wrong, since he wasn't showing up anyone. MLB players step out of the batter's box for many different reasons.
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Feb 1, 2024 16:39:57 GMT -5
Yeah...I'm a little less bothered by the bat flips, etc. but I'd rather see less of it. I'm absolutely 100% on the same page as you re the football celebrations for simply doing what they're paid to do...routine plays. The funniest are the times when a WR catches a pass and the DB tackles him, then the DB celebrates. Hello? The WR just caught a pass. Especially when the DB is on a team trailing by three touchdowns. |
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Post by 1955nyyfan on Feb 1, 2024 17:41:10 GMT -5
When Fisk left Boston, he was a 6 time allstar, ROY and GG winner. I'd say his baseball resume was a little more accomplished than Dion and he had earned the big payday on the field. As for watching the HR, I've never had a problem with players showing excitement or pleasure for a big accomplishment on the field. His celebration seemed genuine to me and it was a big moment. That doesn't make Fisk judge and jury on other players do on the field, especially something as trivial a pre-at bat ritual. This is one of those topics that people will disagree about and I have no problem with the perspective that is different than mine. Playing the game the right way used to be more of an expectation. I know that the game evolves, younger people have different definitions of the right way so it has become a blurry line. I read a little more about the Fisk/Sanders incident and it really wasn't all about the dollar sign. While Dion did draw the dollar sign before his first ab, and Fisk did admit it annoyed him, he was more annoyed that after hitting a popup, Dion didn't run it out. When he came up to bat for his second AB, Fisk claims he said "run the ball out you piece of shite" to which Dion responded "the days of slavery have ended". This set Fisk off. His feeling was it wasn't racial but about playing the game the right way. If you believe Fisk had no reason to challenge Sanders about his lack oh hustle, I get it. It should have been one of the verterans from the Yankee team who got on Dion's case. Hard to argue with those who say Fisk should have reserved his criticism for players on his own team and let the Yankees deal with Dion. WTS, I still don't have a problem with what Fisk did because I feel like Dion is a piece of.....oh nevermind. |
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Post by chiyankee on Feb 1, 2024 18:01:32 GMT -5
That doesn't make Fisk judge and jury on other players do on the field, especially something as trivial a pre-at bat ritual. This is one of those topics that people will disagree about and I have no problem with the perspective that is different than mine. Playing the game the right way used to be more of an expectation. I know that the game evolves, younger people have different definitions of the right way so it has become a blurry line. I read a little more about the Fisk/Sanders incident and it really wasn't all about the dollar sign. While Dion did draw the dollar sign before his first ab, and Fisk did admit it annoyed him, he was more annoyed that after hitting a popup, Dion didn't run it out. When he came up to bat for his second AB, Fisk claims he said "run the ball out you piece of shite" to which Dion responded "the days of slavery have ended". This set Fisk off. His feeling was it wasn't racial but about playing the game the right way. If you believe Fisk had no reason to challenge Sanders about his lack oh hustle, I get it. It should have been one of the verterans from the Yankee team who got on Dion's case. Hard to argue with those who say Fisk should have reserved his criticism for players on his own team and let the Yankees deal with Dion. WTS, I still don't have a problem with what Fisk did because I feel like Dion is a piece of.....oh nevermind. Did Fisk hold his own teammates to that same standard? Every one of them? Sounds like Sander's comment hit to close to home for Fisk. |
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Post by Max on Feb 1, 2024 19:20:05 GMT -5
Well, that's too bad for them since they themselves were once "young rich kids". I don't know if it was Fisk's intention, but I'm not a fan of a player trying to intimidate or bully a new MLB player on the block. Maybe Fisk just didn't like what Sanders did, but in my opinion Sanders didn't do anything wrong, since he wasn't showing up anyone. MLB players step out of the batter's box for many different reasons.
Fisk was a closed minded neanderthal in a sport that had way too many people like him.
Didn't he also tell Remy that they don't talk to Yankees when Remy was talking to his former teammates Rivers and Figueroa. Please...What is Remy his kid that he had the nerve to say that to him. Remy was an adult, I don't know if Remy said anything to Fisk, but he had every right to tell Fisk to mind his own business. |
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Post by Max on Feb 1, 2024 19:21:00 GMT -5
The funniest are the times when a WR catches a pass and the DB tackles him, then the DB celebrates. Hello? The WR just caught a pass. Especially when the DB is on a team trailing by three touchdowns.  |
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Post by Max on Feb 1, 2024 19:26:45 GMT -5
That doesn't make Fisk judge and jury on other players do on the field, especially something as trivial a pre-at bat ritual. This is one of those topics that people will disagree about and I have no problem with the perspective that is different than mine. Playing the game the right way used to be more of an expectation. I know that the game evolves, younger people have different definitions of the right way so it has become a blurry line. I read a little more about the Fisk/Sanders incident and it really wasn't all about the dollar sign. While Dion did draw the dollar sign before his first ab, and Fisk did admit it annoyed him, he was more annoyed that after hitting a popup, Dion didn't run it out. When he came up to bat for his second AB, Fisk claims he said "run the ball out you piece of shite" to which Dion responded "the days of slavery have ended". This set Fisk off. His feeling was it wasn't racial but about playing the game the right way. If you believe Fisk had no reason to challenge Sanders about his lack oh hustle, I get it. It should have been one of the verterans from the Yankee team who got on Dion's case. Hard to argue with those who say Fisk should have reserved his criticism for players on his own team and let the Yankees deal with Dion. WTS, I still don't have a problem with what Fisk did because I feel like Dion is a piece of.....oh nevermind.
Not sure why Fisk would care if a player on the other team isn't hustling. Yep, a Yankee veteran could have said something to Sanders and maybe one did. That same Yankee veteran would have been right to tell Fisk to mind his own business.
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Post by donniebaseball23 on Feb 1, 2024 22:10:41 GMT -5
1B - Orestes Destrade, 1987. Cuban fella had a 9 game cup of coffee in the Bronx during the 1987 season. He was more notable for smacking 154 homers in Japan from '89-'92. Signed with the expansion Marlins in '93 to play 1B leading them with 20 HRs and 87 RBI. Hit just .208 with 5 HRs the next year before heading back to Japan for one more year.  |
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